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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi, guys

I have a question. I looked up the word for Older Sister and got ane. Is just saying "ane" enough? If not, I looked up other terms and got anego and aneki. What's the difference?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Wynter wrote:
Hi, guys

I have a question. I looked up the word for Older Sister and got ane. Is just saying "ane" enough? If not, I looked up other terms and got anego and aneki. What's the difference?


older sister = neesan; oneesan, ane (less formal way of saying it); anego; aniki (usually used for older brother but sometimes for older sister as well)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Tu_triky wrote:


older sister = neesan; oneesan, ane (less formal way of saying it); anego; aniki (usually used for older brother but sometimes for older sister as well)



Ohhhhhh I see! I read that oneesan is only used when you are referring to someone outside your own family. Like I'd call YOUR sister oneesan when referring to her... eh?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Wynter wrote:

I read that oneesan is only used when you are referring to someone outside your own family. Like I'd call YOUR sister oneesan when referring to her... eh?


No that's wrong......one would call one's OWN sister oneesan as a proper show of respect and deference
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Tu_triky wrote:


No that's wrong......one would call one's OWN sister oneesan as a proper show of respect and deference


Actually Wynter is correct - indeed one would refer to one's elder sister as oneesan as a sign of respect, but this is a very formal and unusual use of the word.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

thtl wrote:


Actually Wynter is correct - indeed one would refer to one's elder sister as oneesan as a sign of respect, but this is a very formal and unusual use of the word.


No you are wrong...she mentioned the term oneesan as an honorific reserved for other people's family but I said the term oneesan is used for older women within one's OWN family.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi, I want to learn Japanese and have been going on some websites...

The basics which I've learn has confused me a bit...

For example,

Watashi wa .... desu = My name is...

but I heard (from some Japanese series)

watashi (name)... = My name is?

Do they share the same meaning?? Crazy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Shingu wrote:
Hi, I want to learn Japanese and have been going on some websites...

The basics which I've learn has confused me a bit...

For example,

Watashi wa .... desu = My name is...

but I heard (from some Japanese series)

watashi (name)... = My name is?

Do they share the same meaning?? Crazy
    "wa" is a "particle" which marks the topic of the sentence. Very essential in Japanese grammar. I suppose you could say it the second way if you wanted to, but people would think you're an in-bred hillbilly. Beaten
    Edit: the example you used, "Watashi wa , , , desu" wouldn't be translated as "My name is , , ," it would be translated as "I am , , ,"
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Edit: the example you used, "Watashi wa , , , desu" wouldn't be translated as "My name is , , ," it would be translated as "I am , , ,"


Hey! thanks for the correction, I guess the website wasn't that useful then... Nut

Ok, another question.... Crazy

I've been watching "Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo " and the main character is called Kindaichi Hajime, it is written as "���c���"... I'm wondering why it's not Kindaichi Ichi? Does Hajime mean anything?

By the way, do Japanese people read the surname first then the name or vice-versa?

Yeah
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Shingu wrote:

Ok, another question.... Crazy

I've been watching "Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo " and the main character is called Kindaichi Hajime, it is written as "���c���"... I'm wondering why it's not Kindaichi Ichi? Does Hajime mean anything?

By the way, do Japanese people read the surname first then the name or vice-versa?

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    "hajime" means beginning, or start. As to why it's not pronounced "ichi" is because it isn't in this case. As you go along, you'll find that most kanji characters have 2 (or more) pronounciations. For example, there is a Japanese baseball player named Ishii Kazuhisa, his name is spelled, �Έ�@��v, in this case the character for "ichi' or in your example "hajime" is now pronounced "kazu" And finally, in Japanese they give the last name first.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

�ē��@��@�@saitou hajime����낤�Ɍ��S��by the way,�S�@is spell shin�@in here
����@���@kurosaki ichigo��bleach��
hehe polyphone and polysemic
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks anyway.... but would it be confusing if no-one stated if their name is pronounced either Ichi, Hajime or Kazu? Bonk

Ok, away from names now...

Usually I learn through reading and writing so my listening is poor... Nut

Just want to know what is the phrase you say before dining... For example, you'll say "Bon appetit" in French...??

Yeah
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Shingu wrote:
Thanks anyway.... but would it be confusing if no-one stated if their name is pronounced either Ichi, Hajime or Kazu? Bonk

Ok, away from names now...

Usually I learn through reading and writing so my listening is poor... Nut

Just want to know what is the phrase you say before dining... For example, you'll say "Bon appetit" in French...??

Yeah

�Ղ��܂� [���������܂�] itadakimasu Smile Watch Kuitan and you'll hear it a LOT Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Anime Dad wrote:

�Ղ��܂� [���������܂�] itadakimasu Smile Watch Kuitan and you'll hear it a LOT Smile
    And don't forget to say "Gochisosama" when you get done.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Quote:
�Ղ��܂� [���������܂�] itadakimasu


Quote:
don't forget to say "Gochisosama" when you get done


Oh I see.... Dancing

Hhhmmm, this may sound awkward... I want to know if 'grammatical gender' exist in Japanese language? For example:

petit (masc.)
petite (fem.)

Yeah
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Shingu wrote:
Quote:
�Ղ��܂� [���������܂�] itadakimasu


Quote:
don't forget to say "Gochisosama" when you get done


Oh I see.... Dancing

Hhhmmm, this may sound awkward... I want to know if 'grammatical gender' exist in Japanese language? For example:

petit (masc.)
petite (fem.)

Yeah


Certain pronouns are masculine or feminine but the conjugation of verbs is not nor are adjectives.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Riddle me this...most every time I hear Japanese and they refer to Beijing they often use the name "Peking" ~ name of the old imperial capital. Why?

Do the Japanese still go around referring to Manchuria as Manchukuo too? Thinking about the good old days...

...like those fools from the South who go around with their Confederate flags....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Tu_triky wrote:
Riddle me this...most every time I hear Japanese and they refer to Beijing they often use the name "Peking" ~ name of the old imperial capital. Why?

Do the Japanese still go around referring to Manchuria as Manchukuo too? Thinking about the good old days...

Maybe because the characters used (hiragana? katakana?) still phonetically say "Peking?"

Just a guess from a man on the street. Beaten

Quote:
...like those fools from the South who go around with their Confederate flags....

Redneck knuckleheads, plain and simple.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bmwracer wrote:
Maybe because the characters used (hiragana? katakana?) still phonetically say "Peking?"

That's a very good point!

Although the characters we are probably concerned with are kanji...but I would think the Kanji for Beijing differs from the characters for Peking.
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Just a guess from a man on the street
Redneck knuckleheads, plain and simple.


So desu.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It's still a variation on "he". "be" is as easily spoken as "pe" or "pi".

"he", "be", "pe" or "pi" ... No problem. Doh!
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