bmwracer wrote:

Nah, she sees him as the father she never had/knew...

it suppose to be Gou sees him as her father... but that scene is too romantic i think



PS: don't you know that now i really hope there are another Movie or Drama that made Etsushi and Juri as a couple since i've watch episode 4 and now with that horseback scene really make me hope it more

ingesz wrote:

it suppose to be Gou sees him as her fader... but that scene is too romantic i think

Romantic?

The closing scene was father-daughter, not boyfriend-girlfriend....

or probably the director deliberately make us confused

ingesz wrote:

or probably the director deliberately make us confused

Maybe.

Or maybe you're seeing what you want to see...

ingesz wrote:

Q1: what is the historical reason why iyeyasu choose Gou to be Hidetada's wive??

Too bad, no such Q, but I guess one of the answer can explain your question^^ Basically Gou-Hidetada's marriage was by the order of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, it was not Ieyasu's choice. Toyotomi clan rules that time, but Tokugawa was quite powerful that it always worries Hideyoshi. He tried many efforts to strengthen the alliance between Toyotomi-Tokugawa. First he offered his younger sister, Lady Asahi to be Ieyasu's wife. After Lady Asahi died, Hideyoshi decided to wed Gou to Hidetada. Gou kind of replaced Lady Asahi's role.

I doubt the real historical figure, Ieyasu, likes Gou, at all, like how GOU, the taiga drama shows. He kept shoving women under Hidetada's nose, so he'd take one of them as concubine, afterall XD Later on, Ieyasu had war with Chacha. In AOI-Tokugawa Sandai, Ieyasu warned Hidetada not to trust Gou much, coz he's worried that Chacha might've put ideas into Gou's head and influenced her.(he had the experience when his first wife, Tsukiyama-dono, betrayed him, afterall)

Nevertheless I really love how Ieyasu is so doting on Gou, in this adaptation


ingesz, you're not the only one, few Japanese in 2ch said Etsushi-Juri look good together and they started thinking that Juri might be better off paired with ojisan-s, lol. The first husband will be played by another ojisan, and now they start worrying that Juri-Mukai will be a mismatch
I dislike Etsushi and his acting, so I don't have any favourable impression for that horse-riding scene. But if it's suppose to be a father-daughter scene, I'd say NHK totally overdone it JMHO
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bmwracer wrote:

Maybe. Or maybe you're seeing what you want to see...

maybe you are right ... i've imagine it too deep

yanie_chan wrote:

Too bad, no such Q, but I guess one of the answer can explain your question^^ Basically Gou-Hidetada's marriage was by the order of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, it was not Ieyasu's choice. Toyotomi clan rules that time, but Tokugawa was quite powerful that it always worries Hideyoshi. He tried many efforts to strengthen the alliance between Toyotomi-Tokugawa. First he offered his younger sister, Lady Asahi to be Ieyasu's wife. After Lady Asahi died, Hideyoshi decided to wed Gou to Hidetada. Gou kind of replaced Lady Asahi's role. I doubt the real historical figure, Ieyasu, likes Gou, at all, like how GOU, the taiga drama shows. He kept shoving women under Hidetada's nose, so he'd take one of them as concubine, afterall XD Later on, Ieyasu had war with Chacha. In AOI-Tokugawa Sandai, Ieyasu warned Hidetada not to trust Gou much, coz he's worried that Chacha might've put ideas into Gou's head and influenced her.(he had the experience when his first wife, Tsukiyama-dono, betrayed him, afterall) Nevertheless I really love how Ieyasu is so doting on Gou, in this adaptation

sou ka...seems like his not a good man

Poor Gou just to be the 2nd choice, if Hidetada really love her that's relieve me [/b]

yanie_chan wrote:

I dislike Etsushi and his acting, so I don't have any favourable impression for that horse-riding scene.

How come you don't like him?

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But if it's suppose to be a father-daughter scene, I'd say NHK totally overdone it

I didn't think so... The drama clearly defined a bond between them... But I didn't see anything beyond father-daughter.

Or like I said, maybe you guys are seeing more than what's actually there... That might be a carry over from other dramas involving Go and Nobunaga...

yanie_chan wrote:

ingesz, you're not the only one, few Japanese in 2ch said Etsushi-Juri look good together and they started thinking that Juri might be better off paired with ojisan-s, lol. The first husband will be played by another ojisan, and now they start worrying that Juri-Mukai will be a mismatch I dislike Etsushi and his acting, so I don't have any favourable impression for that horse-riding scene. But if it's suppose to be a father-daughter scene, I'd say NHK totally overdone it JMHO

anyway what is "2ch" ??

but i still hope Juri-Mukai will be the best couple in this Drama

ingesz wrote:

anyway what is "2ch" ??

Probably a discussion forum.

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but i still hope Juri-Mukai will be the best couple in this Drama

It's never going to be as good as Juri-chan/Tamaki Hiroshi.

I think Gō did have an innocent child crush on her uncle, while Nobunaga showed nothing more than a parent like affection.
But there was definitely some chemistry in Etsushi and Juri-chan's scenes, probably because both are quite intense actors and, yeah, very good looking.
The horse scene was sizzling because everybody knows the actress is not a child like the character.

Anyway, my view of that scene is that Gō being held by Nobunaga's spirit is just a metaphor for his teachings giving her strength.

And, yes, I'd like to see Juri-chan and Etsushi on a future project together someday.

7th-key wrote:

The horse scene was sizzling because everybody knows the actress is not a child like the character.

Sizzling?

LOL, you guys have dirty minds.

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Anyway, my view of that scene is that Gō being held by Nobunaga's spirit is just a metaphor for his teachings giving her strength.

Yes, and similarly his seeing her image in Honnoji near the end...

bmwracer wrote:

LOL, you guys have dirty minds...

duh!

bmwracer wrote:

Yes, and similarly his seeing her image in Honnoji near the end...

Although that was a bit of a strech, even if Nobunaga did have a soft spot for his niece. A scene of Ranmaru directly near him assisting the seppuku would have made more sense. Besides I'm still thinking about the logistics: how did Ranmaru make Nobunaga's head disappear? Acid?

7th-key wrote:

Although that was a bit of a strech, even if Nobunaga did have a soft spot for his niece. A scene of Ranmaru directly near him assisting the seppuku would have made more sense. Besides I'm still thinking about the logistics: how did Ranmaru make Nobunaga's head disappear? Acid?

How could Ranmaru even take care of that? I figured he was killed in that last scene when he charged those Akechi troops.

I'm rather surprised they didn't show Nobunaga committing seppuku: they showed all those others doing the same: Azai, Azai's father, etc...

I thought the premonition thing was a stretch: the broken stamp, the cracked bowl, etc... I mean come on...

Ranmaru was holding off the soldiers, to make time that Nobunaga needed to commit seppuku. Ranmaru was not killed right away, he was a good swordsman, that�Ls why Nobunaga told him to "not leave anything of him in this realm". He ordered Ranmaru to burn his body and that�Ls what Ranmaru did, before following Nobunaga by committing seppuku himself. That�Ls what�Ls history tells us. I think, we will never see that in a Taiga.

Also, the reason why Nobunaga�Ls body was not found, he was directly set on fire by Ranmaru and so burned completely.

But Honnoji was great anyway!
What an awesome scene! Ranmaru~

Romy wrote:

Ranmaru was holding off the soldiers, to make time that Nobunaga needed to commit seppuku. Ranmaru was not killed right away, he was a good swordsman, that�Ls why Nobunaga told him to "not leave anything of him in this realm". He ordered Ranmaru to burn his body and that�Ls what Ranmaru did, before following Nobunaga by committing seppuku himself. That�Ls what�Ls history tells us. I think, we will never see that in a Taiga.

Yeah, that's what I read, too... But the drama never clarifies that... Nobunaga just disappears into the ether without a trace.

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Also, the reason why Nobunaga�Ls body was not found, he was directly set on fire by Ranmaru and so burned completely.

But after burning, there should have been skeletal remains, huh?

bmwracer wrote:

It's never going to be as good as Juri-chan/Tamaki Hiroshi.

100% agree

7th-key wrote:

I think Gō did have an innocent child crush on his uncle, while Nobunaga showed nothing more than a parent like affection.

bmwracer wrote:

Sizzling? LOL, you guys have dirty minds.

bmwracer wrote:

But after burning, there should have been skeletal remains, huh?

everything become mystery

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bmwracer wrote:

But after burning, there should have been skeletal remains, huh?

Yes I would ask the same question. They found the swords, so they should also have found the bones of him.
But then, maybe they just meant by "he was never found", that they are just not sure, if it really were Nobunaga�Ls bones?
Because, they had no Criminal Investigation back then?

Today, they could make an genetic test, but they did�Lt conserves these bones, I suppose?