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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

why is it that some words are different in Kanji than in Katakana when read. For example �� (ki) and ���� (moku) mean tree yet its not like both are read ki or moku
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

shiroi_tora wrote:
why is it that some words are different in Kanji than in Katakana when read. For example �� (ki) and ���� (moku) mean tree yet its not like both are read ki or moku


Because there are up to three ways to read certain kanji:

onyomi: aka "Chinese reading". You usually read certain kanji this way when you see them use as compounds with other kanji.

kunyomi: aka "Japanese reading". Used when you see the kanji and some hiragana written after it.

nanori: aka "name reading". On top of the two other readings, there are special ways to read certain kanji when it pertains to people's names.

I would have posted some examples but I don't have access to a Japanese IME right now. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Until the cavalry (kokuou) arrives I'll try and provide an example:
    The character for "new" �V�@as used in this sentence: ���́@�V�����@�V���@�� �������낢�@�ł� (sono atarashii shinbun wa omoshiroi desu) That new newspaper is interesting.
      The first time the character appears it's pronounced the kunyomi way, atarashii, which means "new". The character is by itself so it's pronounced the kunyomi way.
        The second time it comes with another kanji character ���@(bun) which means "to hear" Shin=new, bun= to hear, together they form "shinbun" or newspaper. These two characters are together, so they're pronounced the onyomi way. I hope this explanation helps Sweat
          Edit: Just as a follow up, this rule works MOST of the time, but like all languages, there are exceptions, that's where the hard part comes in! Beaten


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          PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

          gaijinmark wrote:
          Until the cavalry (kokuou) arrives I'll try and provide an example:
            The character for "new" �V�@as used in this sentence: ���́@�V�����@�V���@�� �������낢�@�ł� (sono atarashii shinbun wa omoshiroi desu) That newspaper is interesting.
              The first time the character appears it's pronounced the kunyomi way, atarashii, which means "new". The character is by itself so it's pronounced the kunyomi way.
                The second time it comes with another kanji character ���@(bun) which means "to hear" Shin=new, bun= to hear, together they form "shinbun" or newspaper. These two characters are together, so they're pronounced the onyomi way. I hope this explanation helps Sweat


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                PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                kenjilina wrote:


                cavalry not needed. Applaud


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                PSCYH! hehe
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                PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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                Awww... Puppy Dog Eyes
                I suppose I'm not needed anymore Shameful Cry
                  You will ALWAYS be our Senpai!!! Bow
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                PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                kokuou wrote:


                Awww... Puppy Dog Eyes
                I suppose I'm not needed anymore Shameful Cry






                PSCYH! hehe
                You think you guys are gonna get rid of me that easily? THINK AGAIN! lol

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                PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                What does "sai" mean....for example 18sai (nightmare track)
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                PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                shiroi_tora wrote:
                What does "sai" mean....for example 18sai (nightmare track)


                I learnt that sai - age. For example Nan sai desuka? How old are you. And 18sai should mean 18 years old. But since you put (nightmare track) Im not sure Head Scratch

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                PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                chiba wrote:


                I learnt that sai - age. For example Nan sai desuka? How old are you. And 18sai should mean 18 years old. But since you put (nightmare track) Im not sure Head Scratch

                *waiting for senpais*


                Yeah, it means "18 years old."
                I have know idea what 'nightmare track' is referring to, though. Crazy

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                PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                Nightmare is a visual kei band
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                PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                a-nesuto wrote:
                Nightmare is a visual kei band
                correct...on their latest cd theWORLD ruler there is a song called 18sai
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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                what does kizuna mean??
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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                celeron wrote:
                what does kizuna mean??


                'tie' as in a 'bond' between friends.
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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                chiba wrote:

                For example Nan sai desuka? How old are you.



                In my japanese class that i took, my sensei taught us to how to ask someone how old they are differently

                "Ikura desu ka?"

                hopefully my memory is working right for me.


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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                KT-kun, that would normally be used to ask how much something cost, for example... but I guess it could be used for age as well...
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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                Anime Dad wrote:
                KT-kun, that would normally be used to ask how much something cost, for example... but I guess it could be used for age as well...



                Ya i remember that.

                Its just funny how i don't hear anyone using Nan sai desu ka when ask someone for their age.....
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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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                Ya i remember that.

                Its just funny how i don't hear anyone using Nan sai desu ka when ask someone for their age.....


                you can also say 'toshi wa nan desu ka?' to ask about age.
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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                Didn't know that one Smile

                Damn, I wish my Japanese was better. I'm getting near the end of my Pimsleur course, and it's getting curly Smile I have trouble remembering things i've learnt if I don't get the chance to use them Sad
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                PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

                K.T.Tran wrote:



                In my japanese class that i took, my sensei taught us to how to ask someone how old they are differently

                "Ikura desu ka?"

                hopefully my memory is working right for me.


                Kokuou san, is this right?


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                It's actually:

                (��)�����‚ł����H
                [(O)-ikutsu desu ka?]

                It literally means "How much (is your age)?"
                If you're talking to someone older (or higher in rank) than you, you need the "o" at the beginning.

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