z123_us wrote:

NOT MONEY .............POWER ... at those levels money is not the pull .. it is all about power ... money is just a driver .. well thats what i think

Well, think if it in terms of resources.

Resources = Money = Power


It makes the world go 'round,
PCM

Money can't buy you love.

But it can rent it.

(Was that Groucho Marx, or Woody Allen?)
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Geezer wrote:

z123_us It's the chicken or the egg. Money is power.

will clarify -- i am talkin in terms of Govt .. since topic abt them . not considering individuals ...

in govt i stand by what i said ... is all about power ... leads them to also have side kicks all the time .... dont know about china/japan but in general yes always happens ... then those swiss acct's start propping up

i'd gone to elementary skool in China n didnt receive any so-called 'anti-Japan teachin', i remembered in a math class, our math teacher told us that the japanese was the most united race, dats y japan was so well-developed. i didnt even have a clue what nanjing massacre was until later i read my older bro's high skool textbk(i'm sure it wasnt 100% true, but nth subjective i read), and then i saw the documentary film in high skool here in canada, all i got was sadness, not hatred.
i defend almost all races when i see them bein' insulted, cuz i dont c any reason of hatin' on a race, u can hate on sum ppl, but how much do u think u know abt the entire race? when i c sth like "chinese sux", i'd wonder what i did, u dont even know me n u say that i suck?
i dont even care if japan apologizes again since they did b4, formalli or not. even if u dont mention the history at all, i'm fine with it, but when u mention it, plz be truthful.

PS:the way dat i c the demonstrations, ppl dont just request an apology from japan but also the chinese govnmt. but b4 all dat, an apology needs 2 be made 2 the innocents who got hurt durin' the demonstrations.
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Geezer wrote:

Has anyone considered the idea that this might be a case of the tail wagging the dog? China and Japan are in a dispute over drilling rights. Not a sexy topic. Not something the average Joe would get really worked up about. But some would say (okay, I would say) that the Chinese government would want to stir up anti Japanese sentiment among the rank and file. Granted, the Japanese handed them the issue by white washing their history books. But think about it. How does what's printed in Japanese grammar school text books, become a major issue in China... without someone high up in China pushing it? Having it seem like you've got a billion or so angry people behind you, all of them ready to do violence, would seem, to some, to be a pretty good bargaining tool to bring to the table. The major issue here isn't the text books, or apologies. It's drilling rights.

None of this discounts the atrocities WWII Imperial Japan committed AND still needs to apologize for.

What? The U.S. is the ONLY punching bag when it comes to taking blame for ANY war? We're the only target and the only one who needs to apologize at some point? The only time the world's supposed to understand that innocents were maimed and killed during World War II is when bells ring out on anniversaries of the day the U.S. bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

WWII era Chinese, those fortunate enough to still be around (I think eltinator mentioned something above) will tell you, and I think our own East-West Center here at the University of Hawai�i alone has more than its share of verbal accounts of what Imperial Japan did in World War II. I think you�d be hard pressed to even find the phrase �drilling rights� in any of the responses, from classes "high up" or down low.

Drilling rights, OK, terrific. Apologize for your World War II acts, Japan. Friggin� now �cause you�ve not done so in the least. The idea of the "apology" in Japan is supposed to be a cherished one; show proof of this, Japan.

i'm not going to come to this board anymore. people are very aggressive and get angry very easily and pushing opinions on others.

it is suppose to be a discussion, you can disagree with what i said, but please do it with manners. please be more civilized. after all, we were all raised differently and have developed different opinions and ideas.

anyways i'm not coming onto this board anymore.

bye bye

@KA_JK79: eh.... i lyke your style,

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i defend almost all races when i see them bein' insulted, cuz i dont c any reason of hatin' on a race, u can hate on sum ppl, but how much do u think u know abt the entire race? when i c sth like "chinese sux", i'd wonder what i did, u dont even know me n u say that i suck?

i support you on that... nicely said... i miss toronto, good thing about it its so multicultural
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What? The U.S. is the ONLY punching bag when it comes to taking blame for ANY war?

lolz haha....i guess cuz we get alot ov attention huh?....

Geezer wrote:

got a billion or so angry people behind you, all of them ready to do violence, would seem, to some, to be a pretty good bargaining tool to bring to the table.

In the last protests were about 20.000 people a.f.a.i.k. To add, it's the Chinese (and Korean) people who demand an apology, not the government. Ofcourse they want it, but the people are the driving force behind the protests. I think that even not doing a simple thing like apologizing shows how greatly the Japanese government disrespects China and Korea. For making sure... I find the violence that happend towards Japanese in China completely inacceptable, but I can image their frustration.
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shibbyl3e wrote:

@KA_JK79: eh.... i lyke your style, i support you on that... nicely said... i miss toronto, good thing about it its so multicultural

lol.. so true.. 'Canadian' the word itself means multicultural now, even if u were born n raised in cnada, ppl'd ask "where r u from" til u say dat ur 'chinese cnadian' or 'japanese cnadian' or sth like dat.. but still, it's such a lovely country
bad thing abt t-dot is dat it's always got 1/2 yr long winters tho i like winter..
but the weather now is perfect, so maybe u should come n visit.
--i should get paid 4 promotin'--
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I'm on a whisky diet. I've lost three days already..

PLEASE read the first sentence of the article ...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e399db0e-acd9-11d9-ad92-00000e2511c8.html

makes u wonder eh!

If anyone's interested in why and how Japan did what it did during WWII, and not just what they did, a good book would be:

Kamikaze, Cherry Blossoms, and Nationalisms: The Militarization of Aesthetics in Japanese History, by Emiko Ohnuki-Tierney.

It's definitely a hard read, but it's well worth it. It's balanced and does what a good history thesis should do, find out why something happened and slough all the rest.

Another book that might be helpful is:

The War Without Mercy: Race and Power in the Pacific War, by John W. Dower.
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lol.. so true.. 'Canadian' the word itself means multicultural now, even if u were born n raised in cnada, ppl'd ask "where r u from" til u say dat ur 'chinese cnadian' or 'japanese cnadian' or sth like dat.. Nut but still, it's such a lovely country Dancing bad thing abt t-dot is dat it's always got 1/2 yr long winters tho i like winter.. Shameful Cry but the weather now is perfect, so maybe u should come n visit. --i should get paid 4 promotin'-- Victory! Peace!

lolz yeah i've been there, n its reeli clean, i've gotz friends down there n they complain about the winter tooz... i probably will go in the summer...hopefully...

i lived in t.o for a couple ov years... i miss the multicultures there...

I think China is very stubborn. Not only that they won't forgive Japan after like 60 years, they won't leave Taiwan alone. I'm Taiwanese and Japanese and I get mad at the Chinese all the time <_<

The Man wrote:

The only time the world's supposed to understand that innocents were maimed and killed during World War II is when bells ring out on anniversaries of the day the U.S. bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

I disagree with that. Simply because, if you are born and educated in Germany or Austria you're getting bombarded with info about what the Nazis have done. Especially now in 2005 (since it's the 60th anniversary of the end of the war) you can't escape it. It's everywhere. Every TV station has been bringing stuff about it (and many still do).

And I'm not even going to start on the schools. You can't escape it. The way WW2 is taught in school is like this (at least around here): There's the european theater where everything happens. As for the pacific theater, well, one day the Japanese bombed Pearl, and some time later the Americans bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that's basically it.

And sometimes I have the feeling that they're still trying to guilt-trip us.

And well... Don't get me wrong, but I'm bored of it by now. It's annoying. I've really lost interest in the european theater of WW2 by now, simply because you run into it everywhere.

Also, the problem is that the Japanese government can't just apologize. To put it simple. If Koizumi would fly to Nanking and kneel in front of the monument there (like Willy Brandt did it in Warsaw), he wouldn't outlive the year or even the month. Some right wing nut would try to kill him. If some of these tries to kill the mayor of Nagasaki just because he said that the emperor might have had some guilt in the pre-war aggression... Imagine what those would do with the PM if he'd do something like that... I'm not sure if something like that would be worth putting your life on the line.

sodesuka wrote:

i'm not going to come to this board anymore. people are very aggressive and get angry very easily and pushing opinions on others. it is suppose to be a discussion, you can disagree with what i said, but please do it with manners. please be more civilized. after all, we were all raised differently and have developed different opinions and ideas. anyways i'm not coming onto this board anymore. bye bye

soudeska, if you are ever back to read this, just be known that most people here are not like that and are fairly logical when debating here. i guess that this was just 2 hot of a topic right now.

Hope you come back soon, it's still a pretty cool place to hang out.

- niko out
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Oh Jeez. I guess it was a mistake to split the political talk on China and Japan (from the Marriage thread/topic) by creating a new thread on the issue.

My apologies.

I'll keep an eye on this thread for a while longer. If it gets too out of hand, I will lock it, or possibly even delete it.

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ahochaude wrote:

I'll keep an eye on this thread for a while longer. If it gets too out of hand, I will lock it, or possibly even delete it.

Keep a close eye, Aho.

Things were going okay, 'til the name calling started.

beat the name-callers with Musashi's Gnarled Staff of Ass Whoop

people are hypocrites and two-faced. oh! you say how much you love japanese dramas, japanese music, japanese food, japanese cellphones, japanese electronics, japanese karaoke, japanese this and japanese that, japanese everything. but then when it comes to the affairs between the countries of Japan and China you go balisstics and talk all high and mighty. acting like you know a whole lot of shit when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. did you fucking experience those situations? did you get interrogated and abused by the japanese? if you have no such experiences then don't go and talk like you know every fucking damn thing about world war II because you know nada, zippola, zilch! you don't have the guts to go into the public in front of chinese people and say that you like going to japan, you love watching japanese animations, japanese dramas, you love japanese food, you love japanese people, etc. such hypocrites and two-facers! well then you might as well go on living a fucking double life. how in the fuck are you going to calculate every fucking thing in this world. you know shit.

im mixed - chinese, korean and japanese. so what's up with that? am i suppose to hate the chinese side or hate the japanese side? or just hate the korean side? people who hate for no reason and who never gone through anything, know shit, all you know is horse shit! go and eat 6-feet of dirt! goddammit!