�J������ [�����͂Ȃ�] - means more like to "fling" or "throw" something open.
Ah, viel dank.
Maybe I need to stop relying on Breen's edict so much, it is very useful, but seems it is sometimes inaccurate. Are there any other decent dictionaries I can download?
Unfortunately, there is no furigana or hiragana option when searching, but it's a very, very good dictionary and even gives you example sentences.
My recommendation.
HTH,
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Thanks for the recommendation ^^ The dictionaries I've found all use the same glossary (edict) which is alright, but not as correct in all cases. _________________
Hi, I was watching a few J-doramas and there's two phrases that keeps getting repeated but I can't seem to know the exact pronounciation. Here's what I heard:
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject:
kenjilina wrote:
my dictionary says it's a farewell gift. see also 'senbetsu'.
oh, thank you, kenjilina! i couldn't find it in my dictionary so, if i want to say "farewell gift" i don't have to say more than "hanamuke desu" like "betsuri no hanamuke?" thank you!
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ribi wrote:
Hi, I was watching a few J-doramas and there's two phrases that keeps getting repeated but I can't seem to know the exact pronounciation. Here's what I heard:
1. Ikagen shirou / Ikagen shinasai &
���������ɂ��� (ii kagen ni shiro) and ���������ɂ��Ȃ��� (ii kagen ni shinasai) both mean the same thing (different command forms).
They mean something along the lines of "lay off!" or "that's enough!", but it depends on the context as well.
ribi wrote:
2. Shikkari shirou
I'm not sure what they mean exactly though but the characters seem to say it everytime they're agitated??
�������肵�� (shikkari shiro) is said to a character that is "losing it," or that is doing a "half-assed job." It means "get it together!"
HTH & Happy New Year!
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-Bern Williams
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:05 am Post subject:
I was just wondering... when exactly are the negatives �� and �Ȃ��� used? All I know is �E�E�E�Ȃ��ʼn����� Could you use either of these negatives in a sentences like:
�K�X�������Ȃ��ŏo�Ă��܂�
supposedly meaning "leaving without turning off the gas".
And what is the difference (in nuance) with constructions like �Ȃ��� and �Ȃ��Ă�?
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supermidget wrote:
I was just wondering... when exactly are the negatives �� and �Ȃ��� used? All I know is �E�E�E�Ȃ��ʼn����� Could you use either of these negatives in a sentences like:
�K�X�������Ȃ��ŏo�Ă��܂�
supposedly meaning "leaving without turning off the gas".
And what is the difference (in nuance) with constructions like �Ȃ��� and �Ȃ��Ă�?
Thanks alot!
Yeah, it's usually translated as "without."
Literally, it means "(I) didn't turn of the gas and left (the house)."
You could also say:
�K�X���������ɉƂ��o�Ă��܂��B
which means the exact same thing (the nuance is a tiny bit different, but for all practical purposes, you can assume them the same).
Just for your reference, VERB+���� is a construction that comes from classical Japanese.
�Ȃ��� can be used for the same type of sentence, but the implied meaning is different. In the above �Ȃ��� example, the subject is the same person, but there are two separate actions: [(I) didn't turn the light off] and [(I) left].
However, with �Ȃ���, the first verb is a cause of the second action or response as seen in the below example.
�����̎q���͍ŋ߁A�S�R�����Ă���Ȃ��č����Ă��܂��B (Uchi no kodomo ha saikin zenzen benkyou shite kurenakute komatteimasu.)
"I'm troubled because lately my child will not study."
The subject of �����Ȃ� is the �q�� and the subject of ���� is ��.
That's only one way of using �Ȃ���, but I hope it helps a little.
HTH,
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-Bern Williams
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:58 am Post subject:
kokuou wrote:
...
Thanks many times for your great explanation
So though litterally �Ȃ��� means "to not... and ..." - like �Ȃ��� in some contexts - I would still guess that owing to the difference in nuance you wouldn't be able to make sentences such as:
�����������Ȃ����A�^�o�R���z��Ȃ���ł��B
osake wo nomanakute, tabako wo suwanai n desu.
(not sure wether this would be interpreted as intended, maybe you would rather use �� as "and"?)
~ I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke.
with �Ȃ��� instead:
�����������Ȃ����A�^�o�R���z��Ȃ���ł��B
osake wo nomanaide, tabako wo suwanai n desu
Cause would this then mean??:
~ I don't smoke without drinking alcohol (/ having drunk alcohol)?
Again, thank you for helping me ^_^ _________________
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