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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject:
What connotation does the sentence ending particle ���� carry? I often hear it coupled with �� to form ������, but I can understand this compound particle once I know the meaning of ����. (a good example would be Tsukushi from Hana yori Dango's common phrase �u�A���G�i�C�����́v)
Also, maybe this is too difficult to answer, but I'll ask anyway. I am aware that Japanese often contracts sounds to simpler sounds in colloquial speech, as well of historical contracting which has since permeated the language (the best example I can think of is the past tense conjugation, like: �`���@���@�`���������@���@������). I was wondering if ������ is also historically a contraction of ���Ă���. I know that now the meanings are different, but they are still somewhat related. ���Ă��� expresses a temporal ordering of two events, whereas ������ expresses a conditional. These are somewhat similar concepts, I believe, which is what led me to this question. Another possibility is that ������ is a historical contraction of �����Ȃ�, which would bring the meanings closer to each other as well.
Can anyone shine some light on these questions for me? Thanks!
EDIT: By the way, I realize it's going to be quite ironic if the answer to my first question turns out to be that it's a contraction as well, but I can't seem to find the answer online alone.
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:44 am Post subject:
vega12 wrote:
What connotation does the sentence ending particle ���� carry? I often hear it coupled with �� to form ������, but I can understand this compound particle once I know the meaning of ����. (a good example would be Tsukushi from Hana yori Dango's common phrase �u�A���G�i�C�����́v)
This is actually a contraction of �Ƃ����� (or, in more colloquial terms, ���Ă�`��).
When written, you can write it as you have (������), but I've more commonly seen it written�@���`��.
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable, so you probably know that �Ƃ����� is an expression often used in colloquial Japanese. It literally means, "it's called...", but is used more like we use "..., you know" in English.
vega12 wrote:
Also, maybe this is too difficult to answer, but I'll ask anyway. I am aware that Japanese often contracts sounds to simpler sounds in colloquial speech, as well of historical contracting which has since permeated the language (the best example I can think of is the past tense conjugation, like: �`���@���@�`���������@���@������). I was wondering if ������ is also historically a contraction of ���Ă���. I know that now the meanings are different, but they are still somewhat related. ���Ă��� expresses a temporal ordering of two events, whereas ������ expresses a conditional. These are somewhat similar concepts, I believe, which is what led me to this question. Another possibility is that ������ is a historical contraction of �����Ȃ�, which would bring the meanings closer to each other as well.
This one I'm not sure of. I'm not sure asking a native speaker of Japanese would help, either. This is the kind of thing we study in linguistics (my major at university), in particular historical linguistics.
I can see where you would draw such a conclusion, but I would be hesitant to agree without some further research.
You might be better off searching on the internet or going to a library.
Good luck!
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: Help
Hey guys... could anyone tell me how to write (in romanjy and kanji) - "Creating Future"... It would be soooo helpfull plz guys!!! Thx a looot! _________________
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject:
dochira wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure what that entire phrase is.
But �O�� is written "mikka" (�݂���), and you know �� "tsuki" (��).
Actually, RedRum is right in that the Romanization is "Mikazuki," but it's �� ('tsu' with ten-ten, not 'su'). You can get that in Windows by typing "du."
�O���� (�݂��Â�) - Crescent moon.
HTH,
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:50 am Post subject:
kokuou wrote:
Actually, RedRum is right in that the Romanization is "Mikazuki," but it's �� ('tsu' with ten-ten, not 'su'). You can get that in Windows by typing "du."
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It would be soooo helpfull plz guys!!! Thx a looot!
