I don't hate him either. I'm obviously against the abusive treatment.. but I'm not sure he himself understands it. I think that many people in that position, while utterly reprehensible, are mostly unaware of why they are acting that way. At least that accounted for a decent part of my experience in interacting with them while I worked as a DV volunteer.
From a drama standpoint, they haven't addressed his "I'm unaware" excuse or similar, so I can't give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I also think he has some good qualities to him too - he likes to take care of Michiru most of the time. He cooks for her and bought the lamp for her when he broke it. Sure, its typical honeymoon cycle DV behavior, but it shows he cares for her and is conflicted.
Gomen, but none of his "goodness" justifies or offsets his slapping her around... Your reasoning falls in line with Michiru's...
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:52 am Post subject:
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Unlikely, since early in Episode 1 Michiru is writing a letter to Ruka... Or is that a red herring?
Well She wrote a letter but crushed it up and threw it away.The rest are just her thoughts to Ruka.So technically,she didn't write a letter to Ruka.
She said that they'll never meet again,that she betrayed her and this was her retribution.Given Ruka's love to Michiru,it'll take a really huge betrayal for her to not want to see Michiru again,unless she's dead.
That aside,I want to know more about Sousuke's past as well. _________________
Well She wrote a letter but crushed it up and threw it away.The rest are just her thoughts to Ruka.So technically,she didn't write a letter to Ruka.
She said that they'll never meet again,that she betrayed her and this was her retribution.Given Ruka's love to Michiru,it'll take a really huge betrayal for her to not want to see Michiru again,unless she's dead.
The betrayal could just be Michiru's pregnancy... By anyone, from Ruka's standpoint, I think...
Haven't read his stuff, but there's a similar member in D-addicts commenting on Last Friends named Belleza. She's either a psychologist or a film analyst of some type. It's nuts
I've sorta stopped reading most of those posts... Overloaded on hypotheses.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
Gomen, but none of his "goodness" justifies or offsets his slapping her around... Your reasoning falls in line with Michiru's...
No, no, it surely doesn't justify it. I think it's reprehensible. But I can't help but try to figure out why someone could justify such actions.
Maybe I'm being disingenuous and would actually be far more critical of him in person. Something tells me I would have zero patience for a person like that in real life. I might still have the desire to try to figure out why, however. _________________
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
The betrayal could just be Michiru's pregnancy... By anyone, from Ruka's standpoint, I think...
This was my thinking - I think Michuru thinks Ruka won't see her again because she went against Ruka's wishes and got pregnant. Also, I am guessing that the ultimate scene of the show will occur chronologically after that opening sequence. _________________
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject:
I have to say, at this point it's not the Sousuke character I dislike and definitely not Ryo because I don't know the guy in any capacity, but I dislike whoever the heck came up with this character and hasn't bothered to expand upon it. It's darn near impossible to dislike the character when I feel he's simply there just for the sake of getting viewers upset by his actions. Any kind of domestic violence is uncalled for obviously, but Sousuke's actions is nothing new unfortunately. It's too easy to take that route, and sadly the Sousuke character isn't the only one. That girl who keeps tormenting Michiru at work by stepping on her feet, or causing her to drop things is another character I find annoying not because of her actions, but I feel she's there just to do annoying things for the sole purpose of getting viewers angry. Sure, it happens at a lot of workplaces, but again it's nothing new. I don't ask for anything insanely complex or deep, I simply need a reasonable explanation for it.
I have to say, at this point it's not the Sousuke character I dislike and definitely not Ryo because I don't know the guy in any capacity, but I dislike whoever the heck came up with this character and hasn't bothered to expand upon it. It's darn near impossible to dislike the character when I feel he's simply there just for the sake of getting viewers upset by his actions. Any kind of domestic violence is uncalled for obviously, but Sousuke's actions is nothing new unfortunately. It's too easy to take that route, and sadly the Sousuke character isn't the only one. That girl who keeps tormenting Michiru at work by stepping on her feet, or causing her to drop things is another character I find annoying not because of her actions, but I feel she's there just to do annoying things for the sole purpose of getting viewers angry. Sure, it happens at a lot of workplaces, but again it's nothing new. I don't ask for anything insanely complex or deep, I simply need a reasonable explanation for it.
Oh yeah, that bitchy co-worker...
I wonder if the scriptwriter is trying to make some kind of inference that Michiru somehow "brings it on herself" because of her sheepishness and/or weak will... Somewhere down the line they're going to have to resolve these things... And not predictably in the final episode, which means there'll be six more episodes of this tease.
Just watched episodes 2 & 3.
I like that dorama more and more. I'm really curious about the connections between all of the characters. Both Ruka and Sousuke would like to have Michiru only for her or himself and I'm afraid there will be a tragedy sooner or later because Sousuke is impredictable. Unless Michiru makes up her mind and leaves Sousuke what I truly doubt.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
The betrayal could just be Michiru's pregnancy... By anyone, from Ruka's standpoint, I think...
Lol...Why didn't I think of that? You could be right... I sure hope the ending wouldn't be disappointing.I don't want to end up thinking 'hey I could do better than that'.And I agree with what deseipher wrote above about the story not expanding on Sousuke's character.Maybe we'll see more of that in the future?I look forward to how the story is going to unfold. _________________
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:52 am Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
Oh yeah, that bitchy co-worker...
I wonder if the scriptwriter is trying to make some kind of inference that Michiru somehow "brings it on herself" because of her sheepishness and/or weak will... Somewhere down the line they're going to have to resolve these things... And not predictably in the final episode, which means there'll be six more episodes of this tease.
What a favorite stereotype about domestic violence. In some ways, it's true. But it's always approached the wrong way - people are always the product of their experience (well non-retarded people that is) and will adapt to future social situations based on their past experiences.
It's not like individuals actively seek out others who they know would hurt them or bring them down and it frustrates me to no end when people make those kind of assumptions (oh.. she deserved it - she was wearing a short skirt..)
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Ryo nothwithstanding, how can you not hate his character, Sosuke?
So far, Sosuke has no redeeming values aside from the job with child services or whatever... And since they've barely even touched on that, he might be lousy at his job for all we know...
He's not an evil person, just a huge control freak (probably in response to the lack of control and stability he experienced as a child). Loneliness can do a lot to a person, you can't so easily judge someone.
If anyone I'd say michiru would be the 'evil' character. She has all these people worrying and caring for her but all she can think of is herself, which in turn just ends up hurting everyone else.
Ruka and sousuke don't really have anyone else to care about/be cared by (esp. sousuke, at least ruka has her family), they just handle it in different ways.
If anything, ruka and sousuke should hook up, so they can both get rid of that annoying girl they're both so into, lol.
The drama really needs to work on its char development though. It's still dragging on a bit, focusing on events instead of character dispositions.
He's not an evil person, just a huge control freak (probably in response to the lack of control and stability he experienced as a child). Loneliness can do a lot to a person, you can't so easily judge someone.
A huge control freak that stalks and beats on people... Yeah, Michiru's to blame for this.
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The drama really needs to work on its char development though. It's still dragging on a bit, focusing on events instead of character dispositions.
I can agree on that... It's been a tease so far.
And someone at the D-Addicts threads mentioned that there's a 12th episode added??
I hope the 12th episode is just going to be an epilogue of sorts, like they drop a hopeful ending in 11 and show how that goes down in the present (with Michiru giving birth and people being reunited... sans Sousuke of course).
I hope the 12th episode is just going to be an epilogue of sorts, like they drop a hopeful ending in 11 and show how that goes down in the present (with Michiru giving birth and people being reunited... sans Sousuke of course).
I wonder what prompted the addition.... Maybe the ending in episode 11 was unsatisfactory??
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