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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

And just when you think there's only so many ways a guy can be a total ass, episode 9 comes along to show us how wrong we can all be.

I'm not sure I can ever recommend this drama to anyone else I know. It's been excruciating, these past few ones...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ash_ton wrote:
Hehe.. Nice..

The ninja juri was also brilliant.. hehe

No one messes with Juri-chan and lives... Beaten
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Okay.. I guess it's time to pull the bandaid off. Wish me luck Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

FarOutFreak wrote:
I'm not sure I can ever recommend this drama to anyone else I know. It's been excruciating, these past few ones...

I begrudgingly agree with you... Sweat

It's not one of those dramas that you can re-watch over and over again...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bmwracer wrote:

I begrudgingly agree with you... Sweat

It's not one of those dramas that you can re-watch over and over again...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You guys are gonna hate me.. but I thought that Ep. 9 was a really great direction: it's forcing the issues that are required to end the series. On top of that, I think it may be the best ep. yet.

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I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how this one is going to end up. Lots of possible endings brewing in my mind at this point.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bmwracer wrote:

I begrudgingly agree with you... Sweat

It's not one of those dramas that you can re-watch over and over again...


I'm not sure what I'll finally rate the drama as. So many weaknesses in the middle. I've been at around 6/10 in my mind, but the ending could definitely elevate it to 7...or even 8 if they pull off something fantastic.

I would say 8 is my threshold for recommendation. So right now, this will be a recommendation for people who really like the actors. Story and presentation though don't merit it a full recommendation.

And I agree completely, I don't think it's a rewatcher..
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phlargo wrote:


I'm not sure what I'll finally rate the drama as. So many weaknesses in the middle. I've been at around 6/10 in my mind, but the ending could definitely elevate it to 7...or even 8 if they pull off something fantastic.

I would say 8 is my threshold for recommendation. So right now, this will be a recommendation for people who really like the actors. Story and presentation though don't merit it a full recommendation.

And I agree completely, I don't think it's a rewatcher..


True.. Its not a re-watcher..

But I guess the different character portrayals is what makes this drama unique.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Grumble

Dammit, I agree with you again... Mr Green

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Okay, I'm totally sure and positive that Sousuke is a huge retard after watching episode nine. I was very sure before this, but now I'm perfectly convinced.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Alright I sat down some more and watched 8 & 9 today. The tension is building and expectations are growing high, at least for me they are. So can we assume what happens at the end of 9 does happen? Shake Head

Did anyone else initially not like the intro song? At first I didn't like it but the voice in my head is humming Prisoner of Love nonstop today. Crazy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, it looks like there will be 11 episodes ( Crazy Crazy Crazy ):

The text at the end of seri's subs says: "[Note: It says last chapter, but just of this part of the story. Still one more story after (Episode 11). Plus a special compilation episode to come as well!]"

This drama is screwball. Grumble
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I actually figured out an interesting cultural point about the intro after watching the first episode of Galileo. According to that drama, Japanese culture, when people fall in love, there is a thin red ribbon which connects them together: prisoners to the connection. As most of the characters are related in some way or another through love, it makes sense that the intro ribbon weaves around all of them.

I mean, I saw the metaphor before knowing the cultural background, but it would appear it has a greater cultural meaning than I knew.

Neat, huh?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Watched Episode 9 last night, and someone please call the pol...eh, never mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

deseipher wrote:
Watched Episode 9 last night, and someone please call the pol...eh, never mind.


Maybe the police realized they were in a drama as well, and have voluntarily stopped answering calls to facilitate the storyline.

They've become self-aware, if you're going to go all meta anyways.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

phlargo wrote:
I'm not sure what I'll finally rate the drama as. So many weaknesses in the middle. I've been at around 6/10 in my mind, but the ending could definitely elevate it to 7...or even 8 if they pull off something fantastic.

I would say 8 is my threshold for recommendation. So right now, this will be a recommendation for people who really like the actors. Story and presentation though don't merit it a full recommendation.

And I agree completely, I don't think it's a rewatcher..

At best, it's an 8... And a rather disappointing 8, in some respects.

To beat the proverbial dead horse, the drama could've done without Sosuke and dealt with all the other angsty issues full-time... It woulda been more thought-provoking and humane.

It reminds of Taxi Driver: for a majority of the movie, it dealt with Travis Bickle's introspection and psychological trauma, then it turned into an ugly, gory blood-fest... Sweat

I've never seen the movie since.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm kinda suprised no one has responded to my post about Ruka after I saw ep. 9. I think it's a pretty profound discussion of the purpose of a character.

Sure, I know it's hard to separate yourselves from the emotional attachment that comes with a drama character and the actor who plays her (obviously it's much harder here, cause it's Miss Juri), but I'm curious what people think about that "right of passage" role and the subsequent obselescence of a character.

I'm curious if others have noticed this kind of role as the hallmark of an actor/actress in japanese drama at a certain stage.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

phlargo wrote:
I'm kinda suprised no one has responded to my post about Ruka after I saw ep. 9. I think it's a pretty profound discussion of the purpose of a character.

Sure, I know it's hard to separate yourselves from the emotional attachment that comes with a drama character and the actor who plays her (obviously it's much harder here, cause it's Miss Juri), but I'm curious what people think about that "right of passage" role and the subsequent obselescence of a character.

I really don't want to think/talk about it... It's hard to watch, probably for the reason you mentioned above... It's brutal and like FarOutFreak says, it panders the violence in the series.
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bmwracer wrote:

I really don't want to think/talk about it... It's hard to watch, probably for the reason you mentioned above... It's brutal and like FarOutFreak says, it panders the violence in the series.


well, I would say it's kinda ancillary to the violence in the series (which I too find to be somewhat gratuitous) - I'm talking about the troubled character facing their problem head on and the effect of that on the character.

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My argument is really that once a character who faces a huge personal problem/hangup/disability/phobia conquers or acknowledges it, many of the primary purposes of a really good character go away and I think a well drafted character becomes obsolete.

I take my cue from improvisation: If you don't have anything to do or you've already done it, get off the stage. And from music - a quote from a favorite music teacher of mine: "Notes painted on a background of silence: if you ignore the rests, you're going to miss most of what makes the music wonderful"
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

phlargo wrote:

My argument is really that once a character who faces a huge personal problem/hangup/disability/phobia conquers or acknowledges it, many of the primary purposes of a really good character go away and I think a well drafted character becomes obsolete.

I take my cue from improvisation: If you don't have anything to do or you've already done it, get off the stage. And from music - a quote from a favorite music teacher of mine: "Notes painted on a background of silence: if you ignore the rests, you're going to miss most of what makes the music wonderful"


guess it's probably just me, but I'm still waiting for some resolution with Ruka's feelings towards Michiru. Perhaps it's been touched upon already and I just can't see it. I understand that we've reached a high point where perhaps the writers can't go any higher with Ruka's character, but I feel that there is a bit more to be fleshed out.
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