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sadclown
Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Saudi Arabia Country: |
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: |
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salam
i think i'm shocked of the opposite of wut shocked u
gokusen 2 is the one of the worst drama that i have ever seen
i didn't think it would make in top 100
about the rank 1 drama
it is a big shock
gto doesn't deserve it
there are so many great dramas that deserve it
long vacation , hana yori 1 , koukou kyoushi 2003 , tiger and dragon , stand up summer snow , byakuyaku and other fantastic dramas _________________ kimutaku rules
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Bbbut
Joined: 29 May 2009 Posts: 46
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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bmwracer wrote: | The Top 100 lists here are popularity contests, nothing more... It's not a measure of drama or actor quality. |
The thing is, everything is a popularity contests in a way.
Even if you would for example base the top 100 on average rating, you would still get a similar list. Because dramas like GTO get "10 / 10" just as much as they get "votes".
I made a list some time ago that was like this: Code: | avg rating
9.3 Ichi Ritoru no Namida
9.0 GTO
9.0 3 nen B gumi Kinpachi sensei 6
8.9 Nodame Cantabile
8.8 Hana Yori Dango
8.8 Sekai no chuushin de, ai wo sakebu
8.7 Summer snow
8.7 Nobuta wo Produce
8.7 Odoru Daisousasen
8.7 Shinsengumi
8.7 Pride
8.7 Kekkon Dekinai Otoko
8.7 Orange Days
8.7 Hana Yori Dango 2 |
Looks kind of similar to me...
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Bbbut wrote: | The thing is, everything is a popularity contests in a way. |
True.
That said, the Top 100 should be renamed the Top 100 Most Popular, with no direct implication of quality.
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tartan
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 65 Location: Finland Country: |
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MonsterZero65
Joined: 16 Aug 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Probably work sleep or watching JDrama
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Bbbut wrote: |
The thing is, everything is a popularity contests in a way.
Even if you would for example base the top 100 on average rating, you would still get a similar list. Because dramas like GTO get "10 / 10" just as much as they get "votes".
I made a list some time ago that was like this: Code: | avg rating
9.3 Ichi Ritoru no Namida
9.0 GTO
9.0 3 nen B gumi Kinpachi sensei 6
8.9 Nodame Cantabile
8.8 Hana Yori Dango
8.8 Sekai no chuushin de, ai wo sakebu
8.7 Summer snow
8.7 Nobuta wo Produce
8.7 Odoru Daisousasen
8.7 Shinsengumi
8.7 Pride
8.7 Kekkon Dekinai Otoko
8.7 Orange Days
8.7 Hana Yori Dango 2 |
Looks kind of similar to me... |
Oh that is a good idea. Nicely done!
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Wynter wrote: | The Top 100 on this site is derived from the votes on this site, not someone's compilation, so it's very obvious that it's based on the popular vote and doesn't need to be renamed. |
I wasn't actually making a pitch to change the title... I was just making a point.
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Wynter
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 19307 Location: Musa's Pocket Country: |
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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bmwracer wrote: |
I wasn't actually making a pitch to change the title... I was just making a point. |
Yea, I figured. I was just making the point that people shouldn't look at the list and think it's based on quality when it's always been about the dramas most voted for. _________________
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Wynter wrote: | I was just making the point that people shouldn't look at the list and think it's based on quality when it's always been about the dramas most voted for. |
Yes.
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katsup
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 46
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:25 am Post subject: |
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I have been using the top 100 list (mainly the top 50---before they extended it) as a neverending reccomendation list.
And to be honest, every show i've watched from the top 50 has been good, except for a few... but even then i could see why people liked them. When i look at the top lists on other sites such as mydramalist.info or dramasummaries.com much newer jdramas tend to dominate, but in jdorama.com the older shows dominate. If it weren't for the top 50 i probably would have no interest in watching jdramas before 2006.
The ones so far that i dont agree with are Densha otoko and stand up. I also feel proposal daisakusen is a little high, but it's not a bad drama.
tl;dr, jdorama list gets my approval _________________
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nakamotosan
Joined: 04 Aug 2010 Posts: 42 Location: United States Country: |
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Bbbut
Joined: 29 May 2009 Posts: 46
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: Re: voting with weighting? |
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nakamotosan wrote: | I think each time someone votes, the are bascially given equal weight. I wonder if the results would be any different if there was a weighting system? |
While it sounds like a nice idea, I am pretty convinced it is not going to change the top list much. There are hundreds of users who have just one vote for Kimutaku or YamaP and nothing else (there is no weighting in that).
Because the problem so to speak is not with the regular users who faithfully make their vote or give a rating for a drama.
It is just that the majority of users in fact do not care as much about it. There are literally hundreds who have only seen the usual few dramas (HYD, GTO and so on), gave them a vote and a '10/10' and left this site for good. You can not really blame them, maybe for them 'Hana Yori Dango' really was the best drama they have ever seen, who knows. But since they are so many they are spoiling every rating statistic for me.
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MonsterZero65
Joined: 16 Aug 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Probably work sleep or watching JDrama
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: Re: voting with weighting? |
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Bbbut wrote: |
While it sounds like a nice idea, I am pretty convinced it is not going to change the top list much. There are hundreds of users who have just one vote for Kimutaku or YamaP and nothing else (there is no weighting in that).
Because the problem so to speak is not with the regular users who faithfully make their vote or give a rating for a drama.
It is just that the majority of users in fact do not care as much about it. There are literally hundreds who have only seen the usual few dramas (HYD, GTO and so on), gave them a vote and a '10/10' and left this site for good. You can not really blame them, maybe for them 'Hana Yori Dango' really was the best drama they have ever seen, who knows. But since they are so many they are spoiling every rating statistic for me. |
Yeah. I tend to agree. Maybe as was suggested earlier an average of all the ratings would be more useful but I can imagine it is a programming of enormous scale. Seems as it is so subjective there is no perfect solution. Still I have fun looking at peoples profiles sometimes and seeing what people who had similar picks as me also liked that I have not seen.
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:46 am Post subject: Re: voting with weighting? |
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Bbbut wrote: | Because the problem so to speak is not with the regular users who faithfully make their vote or give a rating for a drama.
It is just that the majority of users in fact do not care as much about it. There are literally hundreds who have only seen the usual few dramas (HYD, GTO and so on), gave them a vote and a '10/10' and left this site for good. You can not really blame them, maybe for them 'Hana Yori Dango' really was the best drama they have ever seen, who knows. But since they are so many they are spoiling every rating statistic for me. |
Exactly.
A lot of people just hit and run with their votes, which totally biases the listing.
Maybe the voting should be limited to regular, good-standing members who regularly contribute to the forum.
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MonsterZero65
Joined: 16 Aug 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Probably work sleep or watching JDrama
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:02 am Post subject: Re: voting with weighting? |
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bmwracer wrote: |
Exactly.
A lot of people just hit and run with their votes, which totally biases the listing.
Maybe the voting should be limited to regular, good-standing members who regularly contribute to the forum. |
Oh that is a really good idea. A minimum number of posts and or ratings.
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: Re: voting with weighting? |
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MonsterZero65 wrote: | Oh that is a really good idea. A minimum number of posts and or ratings. |
Not sure how the Admin could implement that... And would you re-start the Top 100 and wipe out all the previous votes?
Or maybe somehow implement the new scheme and weed out the "bogus" votes?
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suzzy
Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 5042 Location: where the sun never stop shining
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: Re: voting with weighting? |
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bmwracer wrote: |
Not sure how the Admin could implement that... And would you re-start the Top 100 and wipe out all the previous votes?
Or maybe somehow implement the new scheme and weed out the "bogus" votes? | wait ... how do we vote I feel so lost LOL _________________
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katsup
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 46
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ive been using this site for over a year but never ever thought about posting to the forums until a few weeks ago.
Having a posting requirement would feel too harsh. I just used this site for its list features, and im sure a lot of other users do as well.
and so much HYD hate. Really, even after seeing over 70 dramas, HYD is one of the best i've seen, and it was the drama that really got me into jdramas ;P _________________
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