OK i think he's definitely good but not the best. he's reall popular actualy with actresses who starr in the same doramas with him
they all say in interviews that they luv him haha
I enjoy Hiroshi Abe in certain categories. For example he was superb in Kekkon Dekinai Otoko and Shotgun Marriage... As long as he stays in that genre he is in a safe and enjoyable entertaiment vehicle. But in dramas such as the Trick series... (blasphemy for some I'm sure)... I was bored and could not continue.
As for KimuTaku his range is truly amazing and a rarity indeed. But even he has to fail sometimes when miscast in such stinkers as Mr. Brain.
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject:
How can there be a discussion of the best Japanese actors without mentioning Yakusho Kôji?
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Kimura? I like an awful lot of his work... but I can't put him in with the big boys yet. He's still in the matinee idol phase of his career. But he has shown signs, here and there, that he's got a lot more to offer than has been required of him on TV.
Abe? The cool thing about Abe Hiroshi is that you can look back at the awful stuff he was doing 15 to 20 years ago... when he was every bit as bad as his material. Just a tall, pretty boy, in a costume, picking up a pay check.
And then you can zoom up to today and watch something like "Aoi Tori", where his strength, subtlety, and craft simply blow you away. [/i] _________________
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject:
Geezer wrote:
Abe? The cool thing about Abe Hiroshi is that you can look back at the awful stuff he was doing 15 to 20 years ago... when he was every bit as bad as his material. Just a tall, pretty boy, in a costume, picking up a pay check.
And then you can zoom up to today and watch something like "Aoi Tori", where his strength, subtlety, and craft simply blow you away. [/i]
Some of the cool 40-ish veterans these day 'grow up' from being 'pin-up' boys to serious actors like Abe. Karasawa Toshiaki, Eguchi Yosuke, even Sanada Hiroyuki for instance. But that's what we call improvement. _________________
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject:
^ I second this. "Improvement" is the operative term. Even Motoki Masahiro made his bones as a Johnny in the '80s, so I hear. (Keanu Reeves voice: "Whoa.") Watching DEPARTURES, I never would've guessed it. J-Ent seems to be vastly limiting in terms of career trajectories, that one always has to start via the Idol route and slog their way into RealActorLand by dint of hard work and lucky breaks.
I suppose any actor can get better with time--if they pick the right projects, and Work It! like a fiend. Maybe 2035 will be the year that "YamaPi Goes to the Oscars!" I won't be holding MY breath, but I'm not shutting the lid on his coffin just yet--or anyone's coffin, for that matter.
ralphm1999 wrote:
KimuTaku... has the same kind of chemistry that Cary Grant portrayed, a slight movement of the eyes, a miniscule turn of the head and an incredible transmission of emotions come into play...
I see what you mean. Great screen icons--Cary Grant, Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise--possess that in-your-face charisma that's so hard to shake off, even when they're portraying a role. This isn't a diss on their acting talent, though, but that's precisely why they're movie stars, and not character actors.
IMO Kimura isn't the best J-actor around (and I agree, his turn as Mr. Brain was a spotty rendition at best ), but as a Leading Man, he's Master of the frickin' Doramaverse.
But, well. As my best friend put it, "It's hard to be KimuTaku: forever being overestimated and forever being underestimated."
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All this talk about KimuTaku, tsk. (Quite timely, though, as tomorrow is his *ehem* birthday. )
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject:
Ender's Girl wrote:
^ I second this. "Improvement" is the operative term. Even Motoki Masahiro made his bones as a Johnny in the '80s, so I hear. (Keanu Reeves voice: "Whoa.") Watching DEPARTURES, I never would've guessed it. J-Ent seems to be vastly limiting in terms of career trajectories, that one always has to start via the Idol route and slog their way into RealActorLand by dint of hard work and lucky breaks.
I suppose any actor can get better with time--if they pick the right projects, and Work It! like a fiend. Maybe 2035 will be the year that "YamaPi Goes to the Oscars!" I won't be holding MY breath, but I'm not shutting the lid on his coffin just yet--or anyone's coffin, for that matter.
Agrees and
Ender's Girl wrote:
I see what you mean. Great screen icons--Cary Grant, Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise--possess that in-your-face charisma that's so hard to shake off, even when they're portraying a role. This isn't a diss on their acting talent, though, but that's precisely why they're movie stars, and not character actors.
Wow i finally get what my gripe has been all these while. I prefer character actors over movie stars!!!
Ender's Girl wrote:
But, well. As my best friend put it, "It's hard to be KimuTaku: forever being overestimated and forever being underestimated."
Personal preference i guess. This guy just rub me the wrong way somehow. Maybe he is one of those people whom you either like or dislike. There's nothing in between about him. *shrugs*
OT: Not watching ANY dramas at the moment. TOO BUSY with real life. Still at Episode 2 of Yankee BNK.
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject:
yeah well ABE,,,, he initially came into the the scene as a male model, then he gradually went into acting.
so yeah i agree his earlier works were quite simply,,not good
BUT his more recent works like Kekkon Dekinai Otoko has been absolutely fantastic! :woot _________________
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:50 am Post subject:
A "Star's" job is to sell tickets. To put butts in the seats. To get the viewers to turn on their TVs to the star's program, regardless of what the show is about.
They do their job by being likable, compelling, sexy, beautiful, or funny. And 99% of their work is done before the show even starts. That last 1% is simply a question of delivering on what the audience expects to see from them in that performance.
But don't underestimate that final 1%. Once the Star fails to deliver on being sexy, or likable, or funny... they cease to be a star. (And when the audience drops a star, they do it with a vengeance.)
The "Actor's" job is to create a character within a particular story. They bring the character from the writer's imagination... to the screen or the stage. And they drive the story.
The audience's preconceived notions about who the actor is, or what he or she should look like, or behave like, have little or nothing to do with anything. Because "actors" are different every time. They are not being "themselves". They are not being the carefully crafted character that they play time after time.
They are different, but one isn't really any more important than the other. If the "Star" doesn't have decent actors around him people are just going to get bored and wander off. If the "actors" don't have a draw to get the people into the seats... it really doesn't matter how artful or talented they are. A show without an audience is like that tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it. _________________
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Even Motoki Masahiro made his bones as a Johnny in the '80s, so I hear. (Keanu Reeves voice: "Whoa.") Watching 
J-Ent seems to be vastly limiting in terms of career trajectories, that one always has to start via the Idol route and slog their way into RealActorLand by dint of hard work and lucky breaks.
I won't be holding MY breath, but I'm not shutting the lid on his coffin just yet--or anyone's coffin, for that matter. 
Great screen icons--Cary Grant, Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise--possess that in-your-face charisma that's so hard to shake off, even when they're portraying a role. This isn't a diss on their acting talent, though, but that's precisely why they're 
), but as a 
(Quite timely, though, as tomorrow is his *ehem* birthday. 
) 
:woot
