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shichif
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akidd_yo
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 94 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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here a little disclaimer i found (about history as such)
http://thefanlistings.org/warn_historyroyalty.php
in howl's castle (movie), there are no japanese flags, or political incorrect illustrations.
in my opinion, hollywood rewrites the past, and it is not an easy task.
i am not from north america, but europe. we do not use to call american's "AMI", it is mega-out (however the usage "AMI" occured after the 2nd world war).
i have never ever seen "date hot AMI woman" or something.
in french, "ami" means friend.
just saying there are other people who find history just boring. but it remains interesting for a minority.
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Tetsu87
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 17 Location: Japan Country: |
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Shinda wrote: | I think it is offensive |
I also didn't know that until my japanese exchange partner told me so.
I used that as a short form of Japanese in a Mail but he told me that it's really offensive. I was soooo sorry... so I'm not gonna use it any more. I have absolutely no intend to insure any Japanese people with that...
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yidaki
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 18 Location: Sweden Country: |
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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The term jap doesn't contain any negative or positive value in it's own definition,
it's only short for japanese,
which should mean that if you think jap is offensive
you've got something against the term japanese aswell.
In some cultures the term jap is pejorative though.
But that is because of their history.
American soldiers during wwii calling the enemy japs,
and with the good relations with the US,
not many in japan wants to be considered it's enemy.
Hegemonic cultures tend to set the standard for other cultures,
when the centre culture has a view of 'jap' as something
closer to the representation of 'them', the peripheral cultures
internalise that idea in it's own ideals.
For me, it's all in how you use it.
It's an objectively descriptive term.
You can use it in a sentence that has a positive value;
'I love everything about jap culture'.
It doesn't really put you in the high ground doing so though,
I mean, just look at Eminem and his statements toward his black friends.
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kokuou
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 506 Location: Canada Country: |
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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yidaki wrote: | The term jap doesn't contain any negative or positive value in it's own definition,
it's only short for japanese,
which should mean that if you think jap is offensive
you've got something against the term japanese aswell.
In some cultures the term jap is pejorative though.
But that is because of their history.
American soldiers during wwii calling the enemy japs,
and with the good relations with the US,
not many in japan wants to be considered it's enemy.
Hegemonic cultures tend to set the standard for other cultures,
when the centre culture has a view of 'jap' as something
closer to the representation of 'them', the peripheral cultures
internalise that idea in it's own ideals.
For me, it's all in how you use it.
It's an objectively descriptive term.
You can use it in a sentence that has a positive value;
'I love everything about jap culture'.
It doesn't really put you in the high ground doing so though,
I mean, just look at Eminem and his statements toward his black friends. |
That's just the point, though.
It's not whether YOU feel offended if someone uses it, it's whether or not THE OTHER person feels offended by it.
The above statement sounds very selfish to me in the sense that you feel as if "it only matters what you think about certain words."
Every word in every language starts out neutral.
It's how we use them that makes them offensive or not. It's the history of the word and how it was used in the past that denotes whether it has any offensive meaning or not.
Take the word "bitch," for example.
All it really means is [i]a female dog[/].
It's our history that has made the word offensive in the way that most people use it today.
What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter whether you yourself are offended by the word or not.
The fact remains that OTHER people definitely find it offensive, and that's why you shouldn't use it.
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"I like the word 'indolence'. It makes my laziness seem classy."
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niko2x
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 4009 Location: East Coast, US Country: |
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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kokuou wrote: | That's just the point, though.
It's not whether YOU feel offended if someone uses it, it's whether or not THE OTHER person feels offended by it.
The above statement sounds very selfish to me in the sense that you feel as if "it only matters what you think about certain words."
Every word in every language starts out neutral.
It's how we use them that makes them offensive or not. It's the history of the word and how it was used in the past that denotes whether it has any offensive meaning or not.
Take the word "bitch," for example.
All it really means is [i]a female dog[/].
It's our history that has made the word offensive in the way that most people use it today.
What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter whether you yourself are offended by the word or not.
The fact remains that OTHER people definitely find it offensive, and that's why you shouldn't use it.
������ | good explaination, K. My thoughts exactly. _________________
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niko2x
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 4009 Location: East Coast, US Country: |
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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shichif wrote: | ^ Yup, I saw another poster like that too. It used the word "jap" (I think it was beat the japs or something, not sure) and they drew japanese people to look like monkeys. | (a lttle late) thats why they call it propaganda. _________________
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Suzuhiko
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Fossilized in resin. Country: |
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: Re: hey! |
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J~bOi wrote: | are white ppl offended if you call them white? |
To be honest, I wouldn't be offended at all if someone called me 'white' or even 'whitey' because its true...I am white . If I got offended by that wouldn't it mean I'm admitting being white is a bad thing? Then they would continue calling people it because they got a reaction from it and thats what turns it into a bad word. So personally I'd take it for it's literal meaning. It would be like someone pointing at me and saying 'haha you caucasian!' I would just feel like saying 'yeah, that is very true..and?'
On topic though, although I don't use the word 'jap' myself, I don't really see it as being offensive. Like I said above calling someone a jap is just calling them japanese and theres nothing offensive about that. If people are offended by it that's up to them and would call them whatever they wished to be called. However, I think that if your proud of your own culture then you can't be insulted by it.
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Tu_triky
Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 46182 Location: Los Skandolous, California Country: |
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: |
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sarujin wrote: | Hello!
While I am aware that most people in the US are not aware that the term is a racial slur, let alone people in other countries, I still feel a jolt every time I read or hear it. I understand that it is not usually meant in a derrogatory way but that doesn't change the way I feel. So, I try to explain, whenever possible, why the term should not be used. I believe that if most people knew the emotional cost of using a word like that they would take pains to avoid it.
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trust me, i'm an american, not of japanese decent, and i am WELL AWARE that it is a racial slur....i'm educated enough to know about manzanar and the entire phenomenon of the japanese-american relocation/internment camps...
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Suzuhiko
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Fossilized in resin. Country: |
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shin2
Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 1344
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:23 am Post subject: Re: hey! |
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Suzuhiko wrote: |
On topic though, although I don't use the word 'jap' myself, I don't really see it as being offensive. Like I said above calling someone a jap is just calling them japanese and theres nothing offensive about that. If people are offended by it that's up to them and would call them whatever they wished to be called. However, I think that if your proud of your own culture then you can't be insulted by it. |
1. It's not offensive to you, but then you are not Japanese or of Japanese descent. Isn't it a little presumptuous to determine what is offensive or what is not offensive to an ethnic group when you are not part of that group?
2. You may think "Jap" is just short for "Japanese," but there is a long history of bigotry involving this three-letter word. For you and anyone else who thinks it's merely an innocuous abbreviation of the word Japanese, go out and educate yourselves on this topic and see if you feel the same way after.
3. Your last line implies that Japanese who are proud of their culture should not feel insulted by the word "Jap." Again, do you presume to know what an ethnic group believes even though you are not of that group? Also, are you then implying that Japanese or people of Japanese descent who find it insulting are not proud of their culture?
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-Takashi-
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Posts: 30 Location: Everywhere. Country: |
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: Re: hey! |
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shin2 wrote: |
1. It's not offensive to you, but then you are not Japanese or of Japanese descent. Isn't it a little presumptuous to determine what is offensive or what is not offensive to an ethnic group when you are not part of that group?
2. You may think "Jap" is just short for "Japanese," but there is a long history of bigotry involving this three-letter word. For you and anyone else who thinks it's merely an innocuous abbreviation of the word Japanese, go out and educate yourselves on this topic and see if you feel the same way after.
3. Your last line implies that Japanese who are proud of their culture should not feel insulted by the word "Jap." Again, do you presume to know what an ethnic group believes even though you are not of that group? Also, are you then implying that Japanese or people of Japanese descent who find it insulting are not proud of their culture? |
i totally agree.
Im not even Japanese.
Well my soul is but...that doesnt count lol.
I TAKE IT OFFENSIVE ALL THE WAY!
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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kokuou wrote: | What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter whether you yourself are offended by the word or not.
The fact remains that OTHER people definitely find it offensive, and that's why you shouldn't use it.
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Exactly.
This has been said time and time again in this thread, but it appears people are not reading this thread thoroughly and completely to understand the insulting nature of the term...
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Akira_san
Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 27 Location: In a Pokeball Country: |
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ganmo
Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 435
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | 1. It's not offensive to you, but then you are not Japanese or of Japanese descent. Isn't it a little presumptuous to determine what is offensive or what is not offensive to an ethnic group when you are not part of that group?
2. You may think "Jap" is just short for "Japanese," but there is a long history of bigotry involving this three-letter word. For you and anyone else who thinks it's merely an innocuous abbreviation of the word Japanese, go out and educate yourselves on this topic and see if you feel the same way after.
3. Your last line implies that Japanese who are proud of their culture should not feel insulted by the word "Jap." Again, do you presume to know what an ethnic group believes even though you are not of that group? Also, are you then implying that Japanese or people of Japanese descent who find it insulting are not proud of their culture? |
I personally find the word extremely offensive and I'm Japanese American. I am proud to be Japanese. Unless you've grown up Japanese, you wouldn't understand how or why this word is offensive towards us. If you haven't seen it used against your family, grandparents, aunts, uncles, in a negative way how would you understand? I have seen it and I have had it used against me because of what I am. Yes, some people only use it as a shortened form of Japanese, probably because they don't know any better, or are just plain lazy (or ignorant) but I still find it very insulting.
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