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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chiba wrote:


owh..got it! w00t! so its like an informal words used in conversations!thanks Victory! Peace!


They're not really informal words, per se.
You hear them a lot in informal speech, but they can also appear in more formal conversations, albeit some more than others.

They're an extensive class of words, called �[�Ԍ� (gitaigo) and �[���� (giongo), that describe a state or sound, respectively.

For example, �p�N�p�N�H�ׂ� (pakupaku taberu) is the sound of someone eating, whereas �ʂ�ʂ� (nurunuru) describes something that is slimy.

These are some of the hardest words to master in Japanese, but with a little diligence and a lot of practice, you can get the most common ones (and even some of the stranger ones) down! Victory! Peace!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

kokuou wrote:


They're not really informal words, per se.
You hear them a lot in informal speech, but they can also appear in more formal conversations, albeit some more than others.

They're an extensive class of words, called �[�Ԍ� (gitaigo) and �[���� (giongo), that describe a state or sound, respectively.

For example, �p�N�p�N�H�ׂ� (pakupaku taberu) is the sound of someone eating, whereas �ʂ�ʂ� (nurunuru) describes something that is slimy.

These are some of the hardest words to master in Japanese, but with a little diligence and a lot of practice, you can get the most common ones (and even some of the stranger ones) down! Victory! Peace!

HTH,
������


Thanks for the explaination Victory! Peace!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chiba wrote:


Its ohayossu..it means good morning same like ohayou (gozaimasu).

Found this article : There are men in Nagoya who will answer when jogging, "Ohayossu!" as a contraction of Ohayo Gozaimasu that he reports the Japanese ear hears as more polite than Osu but less polite than "Ohayou."

Ohayossu - more athlethic, male exspressions Victory! Peace!


Ahhhhh okies. Thanks chiba, enna, and A-Oyaji. Victory! Peace!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

"kimoi no ni kawaii" what's "no ni" from that sentence means?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

suika_suki wrote:
"kimoi no ni kawaii" what's "no ni" from that sentence means?
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IMHO, noni - though/although

so, the sentence= " unpleasant although it is beautiful" or something like that..my english is bad so, please bare with me ashamed

**calling for help!!anyone? Mr Green
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Ahhhhh okies. Thanks chiba, enna, and A-Oyaji. Victory! Peace!


Yeah thanks chiba-chan, that's a new one on me Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chiba wrote:


IMHO, noni - though/although

so, the sentence= " unpleasant although it is beautiful" or something like that..my english is bad so, please bare with me ashamed

**calling for help!!anyone? Mr Green


your english is good ^^ and thanx for the translation^^
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Anime Dad wrote:


Yeah thanks chiba-chan, that's a new one on me Wink


wynsensei wrote:
Ahhhhh okies. Thanks chiba, enna, and A-Oyaji. :victory!:


dou itashimashite!! i'm in the process of learning to..learning together like this is better!! keep our brain works better!! w00t! Thumbsup

suika_suki wrote:
your english is good ^^ and thanx for the translation^^


youre welcome!!still learning Victory! Peace! hope that translation is correct ashamed
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

When is �� used in an english sentence??
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

What (if any) pronunciation is used for this character: ��
    I know it's used for products, but I have no idea what it's called and it's driving me crazy!!! Bonk
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    PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

    shiroi_tora wrote:
    When is �� used in an english sentence??


    �� is a possessive particle. Like in english:

    "It's your apple" => "Anato no ringo". "your" has been replaced by "no".
    The personal pronoun that is right before the "no"-particle is the person who posseses the object in the phrase.
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    PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

    gaijinmark wrote:
    What (if any) pronunciation is used for this character: ��
      I know it's used for products, but I have no idea what it's called and it's driving me crazy!!! Bonk


      I'm afraid that's not even a character. Just enter it in google and you won't even get any results.
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      PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      �P���B�� wrote:


      I'm afraid that's not even a character. Just enter it in google and you won't even get any results.
        If it ain't a character, they sure do use it a lot in Japan. Here's an example from a Yahoo! Japan auction:
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        �����ꂼ��꒷��Z������܂��̂Ń����N����悭���ǂ݂ɂȂ育���g�Ŕ��f���Ă�������
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      PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      It's probably just a symbol like we would use an asterix "*". But for shure it's not a character..
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      PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      That's what I was thinking. Like the repeat sign �X But what the hell does that other sign mean??? Head Scratch
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      PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      kokuou wrote:


      They're an extensive class of words, called �[�Ԍ� (gitaigo) and �[���� (giongo), that describe a state or sound, respectively.



      Am I right in thinking the above words refer to the many "sound effects" etc used in manga?

      Ones I see a lot are �h�T (dosa)�@= sound of a body falling down.
      �h�� (don) = bang.
      �s�|�@(pipo) = beep.

      Apologies if the above examples are not right.
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      PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      gaijinmark wrote:
      That's what I was thinking. Like the repeat sign �X But what the hell does that other sign mean??? Head Scratch


      �� is a character used, like someone said above, an asterisk.
      It's usually to get the reader's attention to let them know that the following sentence is important.
      It comes from the character �K, meaning "necessary."
      If you want to type it, you use ���� (kome), because it looks like ��.

      The more you know ���~

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      PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      Keps wrote:


      Am I right in thinking the above words refer to the many "sound effects" etc used in manga?

      Ones I see a lot are �h�T (dosa)�@= sound of a body falling down.
      �h�� (don) = bang.
      �s�|�@(pipo) = beep.

      Apologies if the above examples are not right.


      �s���|���I (Ding Ding!)
      Hehehe... sorry, I couldn't resist.

      But yeah, you're exactly right.
      Although, DOSA isn't specifically for the sound of a falling body; anything heavy that makes a loud "THUMP!" can be expressed using it.

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      PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      kokuou wrote:


      �� is a character used, like someone said above, an asterisk.
      It's usually to get the reader's attention to let them know that the following sentence is important.
      It comes from the character �K, meaning "necessary."
      If you want to type it, you use ���� (kome), because it looks like ��.

      The more you know ���~

      HTH,
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        Arigato kokuou!!! Bow That's been driving me nuts for the longest time! I figured if you didn't know it, no one would!Thanks, again! Applaud
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      PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

      kokuou wrote:


      �s���|���I (Ding Ding!)
      Hehehe... sorry, I couldn't resist.

      But yeah, you're exactly right.
      Although, DOSA isn't specifically for the sound of a falling body; anything heavy that makes a loud "THUMP!" can be expressed using it.

      HTH,
      ������


      Thanks Kokuou. Lol, I've just seen a heck of a lot of falling bodies in the manga I've read. That's where I get that connection from.
      I like horror manga, so it figures. Mr Green
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