I thought I saw it for $179 in the local Fry's ad. It's in the Orange County ad: Fry's Ad (It's in the lower right corner 66 of 72)

It appears to be the black version rather than the silver version.

Done deal.


After some more internet searching/shopping, I found the DMR-ES10K (black finish) for $163, plus $20 for shipping, and no sales tax. That's less than BB or CC...

Sugoi...! The less business I give them, the better.

Cool. That's a great price for that unit.

@Geezer: Keep in mind that DVD-RAMs are useless in other DVD players unless they can read that format. It's fine for the ES10, and in PCs with a proper drive.

dochira wrote:

@Geezer: Keep in mind that DVD-RAMs are useless in other DVD players unless they can read that format. It's fine for the ES10, and in PCs with a proper drive.

Right.

That's what I mentioned earlier: without a DVD-RAM-compatible drive, it's like having Beta tapes with nowhere to go....

bmwracer wrote:

That's what I mentioned earlier: without a DVD-RAM-compatible drive, it's like having Beta tapes with nowhere to go....

More like tapes that look like VHS, smell like VHS, have the same dimensions as other VHS tapes, but when you put it in the player, it complains and says "I don't recognize this format"

dochira wrote:

More like tapes that look like VHS, smell like VHS, have the same dimensions as other VHS tapes, but when you put it in the player, it complains and says "I don't recognize this format"

"I'm not programmed to respond in that area..." *shameless Star Trek TOS reference*

amrayu wrote:

I've never had to demux anything in TMPEG DVD author.

Hmm, you've never had any dramas whose volume was too high or too low, such that it needed modification? If I do author/re-author stuff I try to balance the volume, so it's neither too loud or too soft....

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DVD-ram is VERY different. If you ever looked at one, you can see the disc surface is very strange. Reading a DVD-ram disc on the Panny is relatively fast compared to DVD-rs. Editing and formatting is also very fast on DVD-rams.

From what I've read, the DVD-RAM disc is like an optical HD disc (sectors?) and is written and read from in the same way, whereas CDs/DVDs are one continuous spiral of data. And because the DVD-RAM disc is HD-like, it's faster reading, writing, and formatting...

amrayu wrote:

The Hard drive models suffer this quality loss as groink as mentioned. If you record on the HD, then transfer to a DVD-r, supposedly its analog and not digital. This is what I read awhile back... I'm not sure about the newer models though.

I do not think this is true if your doing a high speed dub to a dvd-r.

Amazon.com has the black Panasonic DMR-ES10K DVD Recorder for $179.84
with free shipping.

olnil wrote:

Amazon.com has the black Panasonic DMR-ES10K DVD Recorder for $179.84 with free shipping.

Ehhh, too late.

When I had checked at Amazon a couple of days ago, the free shipping was there, but sales tax was included... Grrr.

Oh well.

bmwracer wrote:

Ehhh, too late. When I had checked at Amazon a couple of days ago, the free shipping was there, but sales tax was included... Grrr. Oh well.

To bad you live in one of those states that you have yo pay taxes on anything you buy online.

I am waiting for the EH50 to drop under $375 before I buy one to go along with my E-80. But if I see a ES10 for under $150 I will jump on that also. I can always hook that up to another tv in another room and record to dvd-ram.

olnil wrote:

To bad you live in one of those states that you have yo pay taxes on anything you buy online.

That's not true.

Currently, we only have to pay sales tax when we buy stuff from companies that have a place of business/office in California... Since Amazon is in Nevada, stuff we buy from them (unless it's a third party) isn't taxed.

dochira

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@Geezer: Keep in mind that DVD-RAMs are useless in other DVD players unless they can read that format. It's fine for the ES10, and in PCs with a proper drive.

I got that. And since I figure, in for a penny, in for a pound, I'm getting
the proper DVD driver/burner for my PC.

It's always sort of annoyed me that I had to depend on my HP desktop to read and burn DVDs... so I'm gonna beef up my PC.
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bmwracer wrote:

That's not true. Currently, we only have to pay sales tax when we buy stuff from companies that have a place of business/office in California... Since Amazon is in Nevada, stuff we buy from them (unless it's a third party) isn't taxed.

Speaking of which, did you notice the "Use Tax" section in the state income tax form? I think California wants us to declare goods we purchased over the internet and were not taxed on.

Geezer wrote:

dochira Quote: @Geezer: Keep in mind that DVD-RAMs are useless in other DVD players unless they can read that format. It's fine for the ES10, and in PCs with a proper drive. I got that. And since I figure, in for a penny, in for a pound, I'm getting the proper DVD driver/burner for my PC. It's always sort of annoyed me that I had to depend on my HP desktop to read and burn DVDs... so I'm gonna beef up my PC.

Sweet. I ended up returning the Sony burner I got and instead bought the Pioneer A09. Now my PC has the ability to burn onto any format (-/+), burn dual layer discs (once I find the need and the media becomes cheaper), at 16x speed, and read DVD-RAM discs I create with the Panasonic. Yup the PC's beefed up in my eyes.

dochira wrote:

Speaking of which, did you notice the "Use Tax" section in the state income tax form? I think California wants us to declare goods we purchased over the internet and were not taxed on.

Heh. Anyone who's actually declared goods purchased on the 'net, please stand on their head....

bmwracer wrote:

Heh. Anyone who's actually declared goods purchased on the 'net, please stand on their head....

Yes, I have not bought anything online, I promise. *hides brown boxes*

dochira wrote:

Yes, I have not bought anything online, I promise. *hides brown boxes*

Dude: you don't hide the brown boxes... You dump 'em in the recycling bin ASAP...

Moving over from the What Drama are you watching thread...

BMW

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How's the Panasonic?

Puzzling. Annoying. But I'm working on it.

Following the directions to the letter, I tried to hook it up to my TV/Cable box/VCR. Zip. Nothing would work.

So I eliminated the VCR and hooked it up to the TV/Cable box, and TaDa!!!

But now, trying to figure out how to work it, is gonna drive me nuts.

So far... I've got it so that it plays commercial DVDs. Any of my netflix DVDs, and films from my own collection. And the picture is beautiful.

It also has no trouble playing either DVD+Rs or DVD-Rs. (I haven't tried any CDs in it.

But I start to get into trouble when I ask it to record stuff.

I'm starting off using DVD-R RWs, and I can record what's on TV. But I can't get it to change recording speeds. Right now, everything is recording at LP, which is okay. I mean, the picture is nice.

But it would be nice to figure out how to change the speeds. Unfortunately, every time I go into the set up section, it only offers me two long playing speeds.

I figure I've got about 2 weeks before my new DVD burner arrives, to figure out how to actaully use the ES10.

Has yours arrived? Have you figured the whole thing out already?
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Geezer wrote:

Moving over from the What Drama are you watching thread... BMW Quote: How's the Panasonic? Puzzling. Annoying. But I'm working on it. Following the directions to the letter, I tried to hook it up to my TV/Cable box/VCR. Zip. Nothing would work. So I eliminated the VCR and hooked it up to the TV/Cable box, and TaDa!!! But now, trying to figure out how to work it, is gonna drive me nuts. So far... I've got it so that it plays commercial DVDs. Any of my netflix DVDs, and films from my own collection. And the picture is beautiful. It also has no trouble playing either DVD+Rs or DVD-Rs. (I haven't tried any CDs in it. But I start to get into trouble when I ask it to record stuff. I'm starting off using DVD-R RWs, and I can record what's on TV. But I can't get it to change recording speeds. Right now, everything is recording at LP, which is okay. I mean, the picture is nice. But it would be nice to figure out how to change the speeds. Unfortunately, every time I go into the set up section, it only offers me two long playing speeds. I figure I've got about 2 weeks before my new DVD burner arrives, to figure out how to actaully use the ES10. Has yours arrived? Have you figured the whole thing out already?

My Panasonic is supposed to show up this Saturday....