It's sounds odd in English as well because you can't really use a song "as" an alarm clock.
I'm not too sure where you want to say "x as y".
Could you give a better example?
As for "wake up s.b. with s.t.", you say
[�N��]�@���@[����]�@�ŋN�����B
HTH,
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Thank you for your help ^_^ I wasn't all too good at expressing what I had in my head in English as well, but seeing your sollution in Japanese, I think the message came through somehow
An example of what I ment by "x as y" might be:
~ to threaten someone with a fryingpan as a weapon
~ to use solar energy as primary power source.
I tried to make real sophisticated sentences so maybe no-one notices if the English grammar is incorrect
Oh and about the alarm clock. It's actually a cd player with an alarm so that's how it works, but I don't know if it's relevant.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
Thank you for your help ^_^ I wasn't all too good at expressing what I had in my head in English as well, but seeing your sollution in Japanese, I think the message came through somehow
An example of what I ment by "x as y" might be:
~ to threaten someone with a fryingpan as a weapon
~ to use solar energy as primary power source.
Oh, okay, I get it now
In that case, you don't want �Ƃ���, you want to use �Ƃ���.
�t���C�p����Ƃ��āA�l�������� (���ǂ���)
�ꎟ�d���Ƃ��āA���z�G�l���M�[���g���B
Those are the example sentences that you wrote above.
There are other ways, but these are the most basic and probably what you are looking for.
HTH,
������ _________________
"I like the word 'indolence'. It makes my laziness seem classy."
-Bern Williams
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject:
kokuou wrote:
Oh, okay, I get it now
In that case, you don't want �Ƃ���, you want to use �Ƃ���.
�t���C�p����Ƃ��āA�l�������� (���ǂ���)
�ꎟ�d���Ƃ��āA���z�G�l���M�[���g���B
Those are the example sentences that you wrote above.
There are other ways, but these are the most basic and probably what you are looking for.
HTH,
������
�ȁ`��قǁI�O�Q�O So �Ƃ��� is a fixed form after all, which can't be used as an adjectival sentence (like I did saying �Ƃ���). Hmm i think I'm too obsessed by this now, since I already know ways to workaround this... but how would you say the second one, with negative.
1 (I go to Japan as an English teacher)
(�p��̐搶�Ƃ��ē��{�֍s���܂��B)
2 You better not go to Japan as an English teacher, cause your English is not good enough.
�p��̃��x���͑���Ȃ�����A�p��̐搶�Ƃ��ē��{�ɍs���Ȃ������ق��������ł��傤�B
not a very friendly sentence but never mind that.
Thanks a million for explaining so well ^_^ _________________
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:57 am Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
1 (I go to Japan as an English teacher)
(�p��̐搶�Ƃ��ē��{�֍s���܂��B)
2 You better not go to Japan as an English teacher, cause your English is not good enough.
�p��̃��x���͑���Ȃ�����A�p��̐搶�Ƃ��ē��{�ɍs���Ȃ������ق��������ł��傤�B
not a very friendly sentence but never mind that.
Thanks a million for explaining so well ^_^
Perfect!
A little note, though.
���{�ɍs���Ȃ��ق������� is what the last part of your second sentence should read.
Very minor though!
Good job
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"I like the word 'indolence'. It makes my laziness seem classy."
-Bern Williams
���낻�� means as far as I know "slowly"... usually meaning you are going to do something because time is passing... like
���낻�낢���܂� "I go slowly" > It might be time to go ~ or something like that... But you're right, maybe it doesn't fit so well in my sentence... should check it out..
As for the �ق�������, it definately can't have the particle ��. No is to make the verb a substantive. A substantive can be joined by another "joining" ��. But you don't need that cause a verb + noun makes the verb in to an adjectival sentence:
�s���� = the one that goes / "going"
�s���ق� = the way/side that goes / or the way "of going"
is good:
������
�s���ق������� "The way of going is good"
�s���̂ق� is not possible because now there are to nouns together without any joining part between. _________________
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
���낻�� means as far as I know "slowly"... usually meaning you are going to do something because time is passing... like
���낻�낢���܂� "I go slowly" > It might be time to go ~ or something like that... But you're right, maybe it doesn't fit so well in my sentence... should check it out..
As for the �ق�������, it definately can't have the particle ��. No is to make the verb a substantive. A substantive can be joined by another "joining" ��. But you don't need that cause a verb + noun makes the verb in to an adjectival sentence:
�s���� = the one that goes / "going"
�s���ق� = the way/side that goes / or the way "of going"
is good:
������
�s���ق������� "The way of going is good"
�s���̂ق� is not possible because now there are to nouns together without any joining part between.
i see
so what about this type of structure -->�@A���B�̂ق����D���B
or A��B��C�̒��ŁAB�̂ق�����ԍD���B
(i've seen it in my textbook )
How does it differ from not putting the "no" before the "hou"?
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject:
hi guys.. im new here.. i really want to learn japanese.. ive already started by reading dictionaries and books.. but,heck, its really hard to learn the language all by yourself.i even bought a dvd on how to learn japanese.. hope you guys could help me out and im also free to lend you guys some help, ayt?
anyway, do you know any schools or universities in japan that accepts international students?
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject:
kodja wrote:
hi guys.. im new here.. i really want to learn japanese.. ive already started by reading dictionaries and books.. but,heck, its really hard to learn the language all by yourself.i even bought a dvd on how to learn japanese.. hope you guys could help me out and im also free to lend you guys some help, ayt?
anyway, do you know any schools or universities in japan that accepts international students?
welcome~
yes there are schools/universities in japan that accepts international students. for example, sophia university in tokyo. it's a good english-based college. classes are taught in english, but there are also japanese language classes.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:
M wrote:
welcome~
yes there are schools/universities in japan that accepts international students. for example, sophia university in tokyo. it's a good english-based college. classes are taught in english, but there are also japanese language classes.
oh.. thats great,its really a pain in the ass tryin to learn japanese on my own..
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:13 am Post subject:
kurokage wrote:
hi, it's me again!
i want to know what -nakya means? i heard it a lot of times but my dictionary can't explain to me what it is used for
and also, if we want to say "let's take that freedom back" how do we say it in japanese?
vega12 wrote:
�`�Ȃ���(~nakya) is a colloquial contraction of �`�Ȃ���� (~nakereba), which is the negative conditional �`�� form.
Not too sure about how to translate that sentence though.
For example:
�s���Ȃ���@�@�Ȃ�Ȃ� �@ikanakereba naranai ~ (expression) "If I don't go, it doesn't become" => "I have to go"
�s���Ȃ���@�@�@�Ȃ�Ȃ��@ ikanakya naranai ~ Exactly the same, but it's a colloquial form. Compare �ł� de ha => ����i���j ja(a)
�s���Ȃ��� ikanakya ~ "If I don't go" => "I have to go/ I must go"
You can use this form with any verb, translating it as "(I, you, we) have to ..."
�H�ׂȂ���@�@�@�@�@�@ tabenakya ~ "I must eat"
���Ȃ���@�@�@�@�@�@ yaranakya ~ "I have to do it"
�������Ȃ���ˁI�@�@�@ nanika shinakya ne ~ "We should do something!" _________________
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