Adjective questions- The i-adj and na-adjectives are starting to confuse me...
I cant' tell which one is which when they end with an "i", e.g. Kirei is a na adjective, but it ends on i ??
Also, things that end in -nai; i'm confused of whether it means negative or just part of a word?
Sorry for these dumb questions...
Sorry, My pc isn't working well now, then tommorrow I will send it to fab and repair. Then I write about it in terrible English. But My pc will return to me. I rewrite this article. There are many contrariety and a lot of not apporiate parts.....
I-adjective and Na-adjective
In Japanese language, many parts of speech ( word class ) conjugates.
But the aim of the conjugation is very different from Latin based languages.
Of course the categorization of part of speech is different by each language.
1.I-adjective and Na-adjective
Those are different part of speech in Japanese traditional grammar. But role is mainly decoration of noun, then as studying method, they are called adjective.
2. The categorization of part of speech in traditional grammar in Japanese
Jiritugo is parts of speech that can be segment by itself.
Huzokugo is parts of speech that cannot be segment by itself.
The parts of speech in Jiritugo are Yougen that conjugates and Taigen that does not conjugates. Yougen is verb, I-adjective and Na-adjective. Taigen is noun, pronoun( is very different from English ), Rentaishi( kind of adjective but they don�ft conjugate ), adverb, conjunction and interjection( Also it is very different from English ).
Huzokugo is auxiliary verb ( conjugates ) and particle( A lot of people who use Latin based language feels agony )
3.Japanese conjugation
All conjugation is decided by next word.
There is Mizen form, Renyou form, End form, Rentai form, Katei form, and Meirei form. The sequence in previous sentence is important for studying Japanese easily.
Exactly speaking, Linguistically the categorization of those forms is incorrect. Those form consist of stem, vowel and ending. But for studying Japanese, there is no problem.
Next explanation is mainly I-adjective and Na-adjective.
Mizen form is psychologically that meaning of that has not done. Then after mizen form, there are –nai, /-reru or –rareru ( This is passive form, but no passive form of adjective ), -seru, -u and so on.
Renyou form is the form that appears before Yougen. The end of I-adjective is ku/katt and that of Na-adjective is ni/datt/de. Many auxiliary verbs appear after this form and this form of adjective decorates next verb like adverb. And for example, �gThis flower is beautiful, �g is not completed sentence, But in Japanese, there is no problem. This is endless sentence form and usually �gbeautiful�h has Renyou form.
End form appears end of sentence or before end particles.
Rentai form appears before Taigen. Mainly this form decorates noun.
Katei form is mainly for making subjunctive mood. In this case, Katei form appears before –ba.
Meirei means order. Meirei form is for making imperative form. I-adjective and Na-adjective doesn�ft have this form. Usually Renyou form of adjective as adverb decorates verb and Meirei form of verb is used.
In Japanese, the order of element is not so important. Only in the element includes particle and predicate phrase( verb, auxiliary verb and end particle ), the parts of speech is important. It means end form is not major form, but if you use dictionary, you must know end form. Not completed sentence is popular in Japanese.
4. Direct answer
The parts of speech which you feel those are similar to English adjective are I-adjective, Na-adjective, auxiliary adjective and Rentaishi.
The problem of I-adjective and Na-adjective is that English adjective is mainly decorates noun. Then I-adjective and Na-adjective is named when they decorates moun by Rentai form.
Secondly your problem seems to be about �gNai�h.
Case1 : ���̗����͂��������Ȃ��BKono ryouriha oishiku Nai. This food is not delicious.
Case2 : ���͂��̗�����H�ׂȂ��BWatashiha kono ryouriwo tabe Nai. I don�ft eat this food.
�gNai�h in case1 and case2 is different parts of speech. �gNai�h in case1 is Jiritugo and in that in case2 is Huzokugo. �gNai�h in case1 is auxiliary adjective. �gNai�h in case2 is auxiliary verb or adjectival suffix. Auxiliary verb for making negative sentence is �gNu�h in ancient Japanese. In case1, we cannot replace Nai by Nu, but in case2 we can replace Nai by Nu.
Third your problem seems to be caused by adjective and Rentaishi. Maybe you feel Rentaishi is Renyou form of Na-adjective.
�傫�� Ookii / large / I-adjective.
Mizen form is Ookikaro
Renyou form is Ookikatt and Ookiku.
End form is Ookii
Rentai form is Ookii.
Katei form is Ookikere
Meirei form doesn�ft exist.
�傫�� Ookina/ large / Rentaishi
But you may find next word �gOokina Ki�h/ large wood.
Ookina is Rentaishi and doesn�ft conjugate and only decorates noun.
���h�ȖA�Ȃ�đ傫�� Rippana�@Ki, Nante Ookina. Fine tree, how large�c.
This is not completed sentence. But why must Japanese sentence be end-form?
5.I may confuse you.
The style of I-adjective conjugation in modern Japanese conversation has only one type.
Na-adjective is sometimes called nominal adjective, na-noun( noun + auxiliary verb ) and qualitative noun in foreign linguists and some Japanese. IMHO I cannot agree.
The conjugation of Na-adjective is also simple.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:26 am Post subject:
suika_suki wrote:
this guy ate a piece of food and he said it was mazui and when his friend ask why he said "chotto mukatsuiteru" what is "mukatsuiteru" means?
mukatsuku is to feel sick so chotto mukatsuiteiru is feeling a little sick.
Well, technically �ނ��� (muka tsuku) means "feeling sick," but the usage nowadays is somewhat different.
It's used to mean "annoyed."
Eg:
�u�����A�ނ����Ȃ��H�v
"Isn't he annoying?"
(Lit.: That guy, doesn't he make you feel sick?)
So, if the original sentence was uttered by a younger person, he means to say that he's somewhat annoyed, which is preventing him from being able to enjoy the food.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:11 am Post subject:
Hey guys
I've always wondered why I only hear male characters say "ganbare" in dramas and anime. Female ones, I usually hear them say "ganbatte ne" or the likes, not ganbare.
Does this mean that only men are supposed to ay "ganbare" and that it's inappropriate for girls to use them?
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:23 am Post subject:
obentou wrote:
Hey guys
I've always wondered why I only hear male characters say "ganbare" in dramas and anime. Female ones, I usually hear them say "ganbatte ne" or the likes, not ganbare.
Does this mean that only men are supposed to ay "ganbare" and that it's inappropriate for girls to use them?
I don't think so. I think the use of ganbare by males stems from the fact that it sounds more manly, perhaps, not due to any hard and fast rule of construction.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject:
Tu_triky wrote:
I don't think so. I think the use of ganbare by males stems from the fact that it sounds more manly, perhaps, not due to any hard and fast rule of construction.
Ahh.. sou.
Then, a girl using 'ganbare' is like a girl using 'boku'?
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:30 am Post subject:
obentou wrote:
Ahh.. sou.
Then, a girl using 'ganbare' is like a girl using 'boku'?
i've heard girls say ganbare. i suppose you tend to shout ganbare to someone whereas to wish someone luck you'd say ganbatte ne to their face. _________________
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:40 am Post subject:
obentou wrote:
I have another question. What's the difference between 'da yo', 'daro', 'da ne' and 'dessho'?
You say "da yo" to put emphasis on a statement. You say "da ne" when you agree with someone else's statement or if you're not totally sure about your own statement or if you want the other person to agree with you. "Daro" is casual speak for "desho" (both have long o). You use it when you are even less sure about your statement.
Ii inu da yo = It's really a nice dog.
Ii inu da ne = It's a nice dog, isn't it?
Ii inu daro/desho = It should be a nice dog.
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