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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

gaijinmark wrote:
    Hmmm, dunno why you would use �݂��� with ����. �݂��� means "like" as in �q���@�́@�V�g�@�݂����@�ł� (Kodomo wa tenshi mitai desu) The child is like an angel. But ���� means dislike so I don't know how you would use those two together.


In this context: ���͂��̃n���o�[�K�[���D���ł����A���Ȃ��͌����݂����ł��ˁB

I think you could say, "I like hamburgers, but it seems like you don't like them."


So �����݂��� would mean, "It seems like you don't like (hamburgers)."
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chokakoi wrote:
In addition, I would like to ask: �����݂����ł�, what does it mean? As in which form of the root word ���� does it belongs to? In what situations do we add the �݂��� to the root word?


gaijinmark wrote:
    Hmmm, dunno why you would use �݂��� with ����. �݂��� means "like" as in �q���@�́@�V�g�@�݂����@�ł� (Kodomo wa tenshi mitai desu) The child is like an angel. But ���� means dislike so I don't know how you would use those two together.


I'm not sure if I can explain this because i'm not fluent in English
and I never study Japanese in the position of a foreigner so, Head Scratch but anyway,

�݂��� means 'something looks like something else'

���Ȃ��� + (�����) + ���� + �݂����ł� + ��

Literary translates to
"It seems that you dislike (it), eh?"

Even when you know for sure that the other person doesn't like something,
still many Japanese people use these kind of phrases to avoid assertion.

You can add '�݂���' to nouns, verbs and also to adjectives.
There is no conjugation. You just add '�݂���' after the dictionary form of the word.
You can also add '�݂���' to the past tense of actions: '�H�ׂ�(���ׂ�)+�݂���'.

So,
'���� + �݂���' (looks good)
'���ꂵ�� + �݂���' (looks happy/delighted)
'��(����) + �݂���' (looks like a dog)
'�b��(�͂Ȃ�) + �݂���' (looks like (someone is going to) speak)
'�b����(�͂Ȃ���) + �݂���' (looks like (someone) spoke)
are all grammaticality correct.

other examples:

�J(����)��+�~��(�ӂ�)+�݂����ł��B
It looks like it's going to rain.
��(����)��+�o�J+�݂����ł��B
He looks (like he is) stupid.

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http://www.guidetojapanese.org/similar.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks pearl jam and shoy Bow Now it makes sense.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

thank you so much pearl jam and shoy .

i finally understand!!!!!

i am going to pass my japanese elementary level 1 test this week!

thanks soooo much!!! Bow
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi, I have one word which I don't really understand the meaning, hopefully somebody can help me.

The word is �‚���

for example, the sentence is: �����́@�‚����@���@�����ł��B

What does the word �‚��� means?

�{���@���肪�Ƃ��������܂��B
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chokakoi wrote:
Hi, I have one word which I don't really understand the meaning, hopefully somebody can help me.

The word is �‚���

for example, the sentence is: �����́@�‚����@���@�����ł��B

What does the word �‚��� means?

�{���@���肪�Ƃ��������܂��B


�s�� (�‚���) means 'convenience'.

For example,

����(���傤)��+�s��(�‚���)��+����(��邢) means

It is inconvenient for me today.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Shoy wrote:


�s�� (�‚���) means 'convenience'.

For example,

����(���傤)��+�s��(�‚���)��+����(��邢) means

It is inconvenient for me today.



Thanks a million Shoy!!!!

and one good news, I passed my test!!! haha
�����ɍ��i�����B�y�����ł��ˁB
(Ok, I hope I got this right... =D )
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chokakoi wrote:

and one good news, I passed my test!!! haha
�����ɍ��i�����B�y�����ł��ˁB
(Ok, I hope I got this right... =D )
    ���߂łƂ��@�������܂� !!! Applaud w00t!
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chokakoi wrote:

Thanks a million Shoy!!!!

and one good news, I passed my test!!! haha
�����ɍ��i�����B�y�����ł��ˁB
(Ok, I hope I got this right... =D )


Congrats!! Omedetou~~! Jumpie
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

haha...

thank you everyone... all of you have helped me alot. Applaud
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi... I was trying to write a birthday card for a friend, would like to ask if anyone could help me in translating the following sentences...

May dreams come true.
All the best for your studies and career.


Thank you so much!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chokakoi wrote:

May dreams come true.
All the best for your studies and career.
    For "may your dreams come true" I would say, "Anata no yume ga jitsugen suru" = ���Ȃ��@�́@���@���@�����@����B
    "All the best for your studies and career", " benkyo to shokugyo ganbarre masu" �@�׋��@�Ɓ@�E�Ɓ@����΂�@�܂��B
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

gaijinmark wrote:
    For "may your dreams come true" I would say, "Anata no yume ga jitsugen suru" = ���Ȃ��@�́@���@���@�����@����B
    "All the best for your studies and career", " benkyo to shokugyo ganbarre masu" �@�׋��@�Ɓ@�E�Ɓ@����΂�@�܂��B



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

gaijinmark wrote:
    For "may your dreams come true" I would say, "Anata no yume ga jitsugen suru" = ���Ȃ��@�́@���@���@�����@����B
    "All the best for your studies and career", " benkyo to shokugyo ganbarre masu" �@�׋��@�Ɓ@�E�Ɓ@����΂�@�܂��B


The translation is fine but I think you have not written the appropiate verb conjugation.
I would have said:
For "may your dreams come true" �� "Anata no yume ga kanaimasu you ni" = ���Ȃ��@�́@���@���@�����܂��@�悤�ɁB
In this case "you ni" indicates hoping or wishing for something.
Another example would be: �����A�ǂ�������߂����܂��悤�� Hope you can have nice day today
(when using "~you ni" for this case it's better to use the -masu form of the verb)

For "All the best for your studies and career", " benkyo to shokugyo ganbatte ne" �@�׋��@�Ɓ@�E�Ɓ@����΂��ĂˁB
"~te" form is better in this case because it indicates that you want the other person to do it. ����΂�܂� would mean "I will do my best" , so for saying "do your best / good luck" ����΂��� is better. You can use ����΂��Ă� if you are talking with a friend, and a polite form would be ����΂��ā@��������

I hope my explanation was helpful ^_^
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Alens wrote:


The translation is fine but I think you have not written the appropiate verb conjugation.
I would have said:
For "may your dreams come true" �� "Anata no yume ga kanaimasu you ni" = ���Ȃ��@�́@���@���@�����܂��@�悤�ɁB
In this case "you ni" indicates hoping or wishing for something.
Another example would be: �����A�ǂ�������߂����܂��悤�� Hope you can have nice day today
(when using "~you ni" for this case it's better to use the -masu form of the verb)

For "All the best for your studies and career", " benkyo to shokugyo ganbatte ne" �@�׋��@�Ɓ@�E�Ɓ@����΂��ĂˁB
"~te" form is better in this case because it indicates that you want the other person to do it. ����΂�܂� would mean "I will do my best" , so for saying "do your best / good luck" ����΂��� is better. You can use ����΂��Ă� if you are talking with a friend, and a polite form would be ����΂��ā@��������

I hope my explanation was helpful ^_^
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I was just about to post the same thing! Big Grin

Oh, and don't worry, your English is perfectly fine. Heck, I thought you were a NSE (native speaker of English) until I read the last line in your post. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi guys, I'm new here, this looks like a nice and friendly site, looking forward to learning with all of you here. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu, mina san... Big Grin
I have a presentation coming up and I need some help. It's an oral presentation but I'm not sure how to say some phrases, here's what I want to say:

"Hi everyone, let�fs talk about Kanji today. Kanji originated from China, and it has been used by Japan, Korea and other countries in Asia. It has more than 4600 years of history. There are approximately 47035 Kanji in total, but today only about 4000 are used. This is the easiest kanji to write, one. It has only one stroke. This kanji has the most strokes out of all of them. It is pronounced taito, and it means a flying dragon. It has 84 strokes. There is even another way of writing one to ten in Kanji. The usual way we write is for everyday use, and there is another method for financial uses. The complex characters make changing one into another with a simple stroke impossible, which prevents counterfeit bills. Kanji is very interesting and fun to learn. Have fun/try your best to learn them!"

What I have is:

" ����ɂ��͊F�A���B�����������q�ׂ邱�Ƃ��”\�ɂ����B�����͒�������N���A�A�W�A�œ��{�A�؍�����ё��̍��ɂ���Ďg�p���ꂽ�B�����4600�N�Ԉȏ�̗��j�L����B���v�ɂ��悻47035���������邪�A������4000�����͎g�p����Ă���B����͏����ׂ��ł��e�ՂȊ���1�ł���B�����1��̑Ō������L����B���̊����ɂ��ׂĂ���قƂ�ǂ̑Ō�������B����͌�����taito�ł���A�g���{���Ӗ�����B�����84��̑Ō���L����B������1��10������‚̏�����������B���B�������ʏ�̕��@�͓���g�p�̂��߂ł���A�����̎g�p�̂��߂̂�����‚̕��@������B���G�ȓ����͍��1�‚�s�”\�ɋU����`��h���ȒP�ȑŌ��Ƃ̕ʂ̂��̂ɕς���B�����͊w�Ԃ��߂ɔ��ɋ����[���A�y���݂ł���B�y���������߂��Ȃ����܂��͂������w�Ԃ��߂ɑS�͂�s�����Ȃ���! "

Can you please look and correct/improve my diction/grammar?
and since I'm not sure, could you please tell me how to say the following?

1. let's talk about kanji today/now.
2. kanji originated from China approximately 5000 years ago. It has been used by Japan, Korea and other countries in Asia.
3. There are ______ kanji in total (number of kanji)
4. Only ____ kanji are used in everyday use (number of kanji)
5. There is an alternate way of writing these words (one to ten) for financial uses.
6. They are for preventing counterfeit bills because it makes changing one character to another impossible.
7. Have fun/try your best to learn them!
8. This kanji has ___ (number of strokes). It means "a flying dragon".


Sorry for the long and large amount of questions, but if you could help me, I will greatly, greatly appreciate it! Big Grin

Arigatou gozaimasu! w00t!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Who are your target audience? Do they understand Japanese?

It looks like 2�����x�� to me...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi minna san, hisashiburi. need some help in some greetings and well wishes phrases... hopefully someone can help me. arigatoo gozaimasu!

If someone's new store is opening, besides "omedetto gozaimasu" what other things can I say?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

chokakoi wrote:
Hi minna san, hisashiburi. need some help in some greetings and well wishes phrases... hopefully someone can help me. arigatoo gozaimasu!

If someone's new store is opening, besides "omedetto gozaimasu" what other things can I say?


how about 'seikou ni ganbatte kudasai'. kind of wishing them success.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

kenjilina wrote:


how about 'seikou ni ganbatte kudasai'. kind of wishing them success.


hontou ni arigatou!
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