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zkac054



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:27 pm    Post subject: Uses of が (ga) and は (ha).... also に (ni) and へ (e) Reply with quote Back to top

Hi all, I'm new here... but the subject speaks for itself.

I already tried asking some Japanese people, but my voacbulary isn't good so I couldn't understand much.

When and why do I use が (ga) and は (ha)?
So far all I know is that が is a stronger version of は

Also same applies with に and へ.
I think that に implies some sort of action towards an object.
Whereas へ is a more general form of に implying that no action towards an object.

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Uses of が (ga) and は (ha).... also に (ni) and へ  Reply with quote Back to top

zkac054 wrote:
Hi all, I'm new here... but the subject speaks for itself.

I already tried asking some Japanese people, but my voacbulary isn't good so I couldn't understand much.

When and why do I use が (ga) and は (ha)?
So far all I know is that が is a stronger version of は

Also same applies with に and へ.
I think that に implies some sort of action towards an object.
Whereas へ is a more general form of に implying that no action towards an object.

Thanks in advance!


Welcome!!

You can find somewhat an explaination here.......

http://www.jdorama.com/viewtopic.php?p=28568#28568
Hope it's easy enough to understand.


Also, if you have the time, try and read through the whole thread because there may be answers to some questions that you may be wondering about.


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zkac054



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks ahochaude,

I understood the general uses of the particles が は and に へ
The problem was in what situations do we use them?

For example:

わたし は 学子 ( がくっこ ) いきます

AND

わたし は 学子 ( がくっこ )   いきます

According to some Japanese we use the 2nd sentence even though the first sentence is perfectly correct. The question is: so in which situations to we use へ and に ? Oh and は and が in the same context.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

zkac054 wrote:
Thanks ahochaude,

I understood the general uses of the particles が は and に へ
The problem was in what situations do we use them?

For example:

わたし は 学子 ( がくっこ ) いきます

AND

わたし は 学子 ( がくっこ )   いきます

According to some Japanese we use the 2nd sentence even though the first sentence is perfectly correct. The question is: so in which situations to we use へ and に ?


Doesn't matter. Only upon preference.

In both instances provided above, either "Ni" or "He" are perfectly ok!
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zkac054



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks again,

That's one problem sorted... another million more before I'm ready for the 3 Kyuu test!!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

zkac054 wrote:

That's one problem sorted... another million more before I'm ready for the 3 Kyuu test!!!! Smile


Ganbare!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

zkac054 wrote:


わたし は 学子 ( がくっこ ) いきます

AND

わたし は 学子 ( がくっこ )   いきます


You probably mean: 学校
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zkac054



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DOH! Ha ha yeah you're right. I meant 学校, that's what I get for trying to do this during cleaning time... thanks for the correction
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

god if there is one thing in japanese that i hate its the freaking sentence particles.. I DETESTE THOSE THING!!! Angry
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zkac054



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: In answer to my own question... Reply with quote Back to top

Ok I may or may not have understood this correctly but the differences between は and が

は is (as was said before) a subject marker.

が works in the same way as a subject marker. However it has a stronger implication and is generally used when distinguishing a subject from many other subjects.

Example: わたし が する
I will do it (and not anybody else)

Ok bad example, but how about this one:

When asking in a room full of people who X-san is you answer:
はい、 わたし が X-san
I'm X-san (not any of the other people)

Maybe this made some sense... I'll try to look up the difference between に and へ
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zkac054



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Forget what I said above... this site has all the answers for particles.

http://www.thejapanesepage.com/grammarparticle.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Indeed your examples are very wrong and no Japanese would ever say them, for example you never use -san when refering to yourself. The site you mention has some basic details of particles, but not enough for 3級. You seem to be lacking alot of the basics of Japanese, you mentoned 3級 but have you really passed 4級? If you try to run before you can walk you will only be dissapointed. Try to find a good course or textbook, don't rely on internet sites or forums as most of the stuff is highly subjective at best and often simply wrong and very poor quality.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well I have to admit I do most of my posts in school, so I'm rushing them. As you can imagine then that making up these examples before my classes start will tend to lead to mistakes.

Although the 4 kyuu was in December and I was late I got the papers for this year, kanji(75%) and listening(80%). I just have the reading left to be marked. It was my Japanese teacher who suggested that I take 3 kyuu.

As for textbooks, I brought mine with me Basic Japanese for College students (ICU) but being in Japan means that I'm limited to the number of Japanese learning books. I can't even order online because I have no credit card. So I tend to use the internet more. But are there any good recommendations for Japanese learning?

One more question, can I take the JLPT in UK?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

zkac054 wrote:
One more question, can I take the JLPT in UK?

Yup. There's one in London, I'm not sure if Scotland / N.I. has a separate location - but all this stuff is on the web if you Google it.
Quote:
Forget what I said above... this site has all the answers for particles.

http://www.thejapanesepage.com/grammarparticle.htm

If you think that's _all_ the answers you are sadly mistaken.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

みんなの日本語 is a good text, when you finish volume 2 you should be able to pass 3級.

You can take the proficiency test here:
http://www.soas.ac.uk/languagecentre/japanese/jlpt/home.html


Good luck
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ajb_advance wrote:
[...] you should be able to pass 3級.

Talking about 'should be able to pass'

Kanji Step have a free 'placement' test for level 3 here
http://www.kanjistep.com/en/online/weeklytest/placement3.html
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zkac054



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for everyone's help. I'll try to look for that book in Hiroshima next week. They have a fairly big book store so I might be able to find it. And thanks for the website! I haven't checked it fully but I definitely need more places where I can test myself. Any other sites like that?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

zkac054 wrote:
Thanks for everyone's help. I'll try to look for that book in Hiroshima next week. They have a fairly big book store so I might be able to find it. And thanks for the website! I haven't checked it fully but I definitely need more places where I can test myself. Any other sites like that?

www.jref.com would be nicer for japanese learning and communicating.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:23 am    Post subject: Japanese particles Reply with quote Back to top

Hi, I'm Spanish and I'm learn Japanese ^^
Can anyone put the list of Japanese particles and if is possible their explanations too, please?? Bow Bow
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Particles?? Head Scratch
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