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bmwracer
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Voort
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:57 am Post subject: |
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well, history is history... and if some dumb movie, for example U-571, tries to tell me that the Enigma was found by some US u-boat (which is absolutely wrong and can't be defended with any argument of artistic freedom, it's just shit, nothing else) well... of course I'm going nuts... it's just cheap american propaganda... the sad thing is, that there are enough people who actually believe it. Sure there's a certain artistic freedom, but there are limits, there have to be limits... I don't think I'll hate the movie, as long as the japanese cast is brilliant I'll most likely like it anyway. Cruise? I can ignore him quite well.
But a historic movie with an actual historic background MUST stick to it, otherwise it should be titled as fantasy movie with all names changed etc...
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Voort wrote: | well, history is history... and if some dumb movie, for example U-571, tries to tell me that the Enigma was found by some US u-boat (which is absolutely wrong and can't be defended with any argument of artistic freedom, it's just shit, nothing else) well... of course I'm going nuts... it's just cheap american propaganda... the sad thing is, that there are enough people who actually believe it. Sure there's a certain artistic freedom, but there are limits, there have to be limits... I don't think I'll hate the movie, as long as the japanese cast is brilliant I'll most likely like it anyway. Cruise? I can ignore him quite well.
But a historic movie with an actual historic background MUST stick to it, otherwise it should be titled as fantasy movie with all names changed etc... |
I gotcha. I'll have to see the movie before I judge it though (there's a first )... If it's enjoyable, I'm willing to overlook most things...
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Akakage
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 9069 Location: Neverland
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:49 am Post subject: |
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bmwracer wrote: |
I gotcha. I'll have to see the movie before I judge it though (there's a first )... If it's enjoyable, I'm willing to overlook most things... |
I agree with you. A movie is a freedom of expression, it could be based on historical event, although it might not be 100% accurate.
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neefo
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 284
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:28 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Pemu"] Koyuki being Tom's servant/mistress, hehe. I'm quite sure of it. Check out the trailer.
Tom will make out with Koyuki, 100% sure! He's always done in every movie he has acted! Tom, cool off with the sex pace
Tom is the " Last Samurai", what does it refer to? First and last foreigner samurai or last samurai that exists in Japan? hehe!
yeah. what i think is. there will be some totally meaningless sex scenes depicting the so called exotic asian beauty.
i'd still watch it for fun
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Akakage wrote: | I agree with you. A movie is a freedom of expression, it could be based on historical event, although it might not be 100% accurate. |
Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to say. Props.
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:07 am Post subject: |
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neefo wrote: | yeah. what i think is. there will be some totally meaningless sex scenes depicting the so called exotic asian beauty. |
Well at least she's really Asian and not a hakujin made up to look Asian.
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Voort
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neefo
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 284
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:58 am Post subject: |
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bmwracer wrote: |
Well at least she's really Asian and not a hakujin made up to look Asian. |
very true. hopefully the movie is not too bad, and has at least some sort of a storyline. I seriously suspect it will be another one of those caucasian opening his eyes to the asian thing and learn about honor and love for different things other than his own blah blah..... sex.... blah blah.... i did not understand you... i offended you...blah blah.. i learn from you... you learn from me.. blah blah.... FIGHT!.........mutual respect....
although the thought of mowing down samurais with guns and cannons might be true, doesn't make much of a movie eh?
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Ren
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niko2x
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Ren wrote: | If i remembered it correctly long ago didn't they have John Wayne playing the role of genghis khan. Also did anyobe saw Madame Butterfly and was that base on a true story? | I don't remember that, but I KNOW most everybody remeber this: David Carridine look SO asian in Kung Fu. _________________
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ryuren
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jo wrote: | Yeah, the title kinda threw it off, "The Last Gaijin Samurai" would be more appropriate. This is a definite work of fiction, I think Japanese History was captured in some parts of that story but I don't know about an American Civil War Hero going to Japan at that time. I believe FRANCE was more involved at that time rather than America. I'm still waiting for it to come out. | yeap, it was more of france, and later, germany. America wasn't involved in the training of the bakumatsu forces during the bakumatsu period. And it's not the IMPERIAL forces, just to be more specific, assuming that the whole story is taken from the satsuma rebellion...
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Ren wrote: | If i remembered it correctly long ago didn't they have John Wayne playing the role of genghis khan. |
That was a REALLY bad movie.... If I recall, most of the cast and crew who worked on it got some form of cancer decades later because they filmed the movie near a site where nuclear testing was being done... Awful.
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YF21
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:08 am Post subject: Re: the last samurai |
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YF21 wrote: | okay i saw the movie and really like the japanese girl who played the widow. She is hot. U guys know if she is single. joking |
I knew she was pretty before even seeing the movie! Was the movie any good????
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Ren
Joined: 24 May 2003 Posts: 597 Location: Stockton, CA Country: |
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Ren wrote: | I haven't seen the movie. I will soon but it seem the movie have really good review from all the movie critic. There are even talks about Tom Cruise getting Oscar nomination for this role? |
Hmm, I don't know about Tom, but I've heard that Ken Watanabe should be an Oscar contender...
I'm seeing it tomorrow... Anyone gonna join me??
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