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blender1184 wrote:

Merging, boooo.

Yeah, that's hilarious.

Come on guys, no trolling the threads.

Watch this first: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/video/taser_video3a.html



What's your opinion? Did the officer use too much force? Did he do the right thing?

Personally, I think the woman deserved what she got and the officer did exactly what he should've done in that situation.

that lady had it coming.

moron.
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Well the lady was definately wrong. You should always promptly and politely comply with a policeman. Otherwise, you could very well get what she got. I guess she knows that now.

I saw some other tazer video about some guy who was really belligerant getting tazed, multiple times. I thought the cop's battery was going to wear out first.

That's horrible.

It's true that the lady should have known better as to not act in such a way, however, I don't think she deserved to be TASED for chrissy's sake. Well, that's police officers for you.

..and I put "yes" on the poll by accident. Woops. >_>;;

loris wrote:

Well the lady was definately wrong. You should always promptly and politely comply with a policeman. Otherwise, you could very well get what she got. I guess she knows that now. I saw some other tazer video about some guy who was really belligerant getting tazed, multiple times. I thought the cop's battery was going to wear out first.

I think I saw that guy's video on ebaum It was pretty awesome, as is most stuff on ebaum

As for this lady, she was looking for trouble by being non-compliant and acting kinda heated and kinda confrontational. Either way, he gave her ample verbal warning and she didn't comply. She deserved it, IMHO. I would only question it if he just walked up to her car, neither party said nothing, and he tased her. That would be a totally different story. This woman acted like a baby from the beginning and throughout as she whailed(sp?) like a 2 year old child due to results she could have prevented.

The lady got what she deserved. Good for the officer!
You act like an ass and you'll be treated as one.
Too many people nowadays are not willing to take responsibilties for their own actions. She was speeding, got pulled over, refused to get out of the car, gave the officer a hard time, and as a result she got tazed. (And it's not like she didn't get a warning from the officer either) After getting tazed, she still makes as if it wasn't her fault and the officer was wrong to taze her. C'mon lady. What's wrong with your dumb ass?
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The cop went to the taser much too soon.

She was being an asshole. And I suspect most of the moaning and crying after she was on the ground was for the camera, which most people know is running.

But an experienced cop, a better cop, wouldn't have pulled out his taser that quickly.

Her attitude should have cost her a trip to the station house, or a court date. That's punishment enough.

But once the cop zapped her, he opened himself and his department up to a law suit. Oh, and buy the way... he might have seriously hurt her.
There was no way for him to know if she had an existing medical condition, and at least from what I could see on the tape, she wasn't threatening him physically. She simply didn't obey him quicly enough. So there was no excuse for him zap her when he did.
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Actually, she swung at the other police officer when she tried to take the cell phone from her. That was what prompted the tazing. If someone swings at you, you do not assume that that person is going to swing at you once. When you're swung at, you'll be expecting more swings coming. The officer was under that assumption, and that was the correct assumption to be made.

What I do question is the 2nd tazing. That one I'm not too sure if it was neccessary. The suspect was already down and essentially subdued. I've never been shocked by a tazer so I have no idea on just what a person can still do after being tazered. I believe she was tazed in the arm, and if that was there case, it could be possible that she was still unable to voluntary move her arm behind her back. However she should of still been able to move her other arm.

In conclusion, 1st tazer, completely neccessary, 2nd tazer, debatable.
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I must be #@$#ed up, because I found that funny.

I don't know whether the officer followed proceedure correctly, but I don't have much sympathy for people that ask for things like that.
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Report by Craig Rimlinger in the July 29, 2004 issue of The Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (He opted for a 3 second charge instead of the normal 5 second duration.) "The three seconds are a blur, but I remember the initial shock, the ridiculously intense pain, the inability to coordinate any muscle movements and the total stiffness that engulfed my body. I opened my mouth wide, unable to utter a sound. I didn�ft feel the two prongs from the Taser lodge themselves in my back – just the electricity, pain I later described to an editor as, �ghell times 10.�h A few minutes later, I felt fine. My legs were a bit wobbly but not shaky enough to keep me from standing or walking."

A taser isn't just a get out of jail free card for a cop. It doesn't just safely turn a person off for a moment.

It's a big step up from a cop just pulling out a gun and shooting someone. Or whipping out a billy club and beating someone senseless.

But it's not a completely safe way for a cop to take over a situation either.

Long term health risks are still being studied. Questions, about how much of a factor did tasing play in the deaths of people who've been tased, are still being asked.

This isn't some sci-fi deal where the person instantly goes to sleep, or is zapped into a state of calm.

This is about intense pain and electric shock. And a cop who goes to the taser too soon is just as bad as the cop who goes to the night stick too soon.

And note, I said, too soon. I'm not ruling out the use of tasers. I'm just saying this cop did a lousy job.
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kitakaze wrote:

I must be #@$#ed up, because I found that funny. I don't know whether the officer followed proceedure correctly, but I don't have much sympathy for people that ask for things like that.

I actually just saw this video about 20 mins ago at my friends house and I found it mildly amusing.

The lady seriously had it coming to her. The cop did tell her several times to get out of the car and she was still resisting. What was she thinking? That she could just get away with it by not listening? I don't think so.

Geezer wrote:

The cop went to the taser much too soon. She was being an asshole. And I suspect most of the moaning and crying after she was on the ground was for the camera, which most people know is running. But an experienced cop, a better cop, wouldn't have pulled out his taser that quickly. Her attitude should have cost her a trip to the station house, or a court date. That's punishment enough. But once the cop zapped her, he opened himself and his department up to a law suit. Oh, and buy the way... he might have seriously hurt her. There was no way for him to know if she had an existing medical condition, and at least from what I could see on the tape, she wasn't threatening him physically. She simply didn't obey him quicly enough. So there was no excuse for him zap her when he did.

Too soon? He warned her 4 times. When would you have pulled the taser out?

If the officer and his partner had grabbed and restrained her without using the taser, she'll probably call her lawyer the first chance she gets and slap them with a complaint saying that they sexually assaulted her and touched her innappropriately during the arrest. Even if it's untrue, she'll probably win anyway. And the fact that she's a black woman and the cops are two white males won't help the officers much either. Would you risk all that? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And also, the officer doing commentary on the website stated that it was unwise to manhandle the woman in order to handcuff her. She was still in control of the vehicle and could have put the lives of not only the officers in danger, but other motorists as well.

As far as I know, tasers are non-lasting and non-injuring. Which medical condition does one need to have to be seriously hurt by a taser gun?

Just for fun, let's recap what she's done wrong:

-She is driving over the speed limit.

-She has a broken windshield and tail light.

-She is not wearing her seatbelt.

-She disobeys the officer four times to get out of the vehicle. (an arrestable offense).

-She has a suspended license. (an arrestable offense).

-She takes a swing at one of the officers. (an arrestable offense).

When you break the law and an officer tells you to do something, do it.

Geezer wrote:

This is about intense pain and electric shock. And a cop who goes to the taser too soon is just as bad as the cop who goes to the night stick too soon.

I disagree. A taser leaves no lasting marks and no physical effects beyond the immediate timeframe. A night stick can, despite careful use, result in severe physical injury and permanent scarring.

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Report by Craig Rimlinger in the July 29, 2004 issue of The Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (He opted for a 3 second charge instead of the normal 5 second duration.) "The three seconds are a blur, but I remember the initial shock, the ridiculously intense pain, the inability to coordinate any muscle movements and the total stiffness that engulfed my body. I opened my mouth wide, unable to utter a sound. I didn�ft feel the two prongs from the Taser lodge themselves in my back – just the electricity, pain I later described to an editor as, �ghell times 10.�h A few minutes later, I felt fine. My legs were a bit wobbly but not shaky enough to keep me from standing or walking."

Well, duh? What were you expecting? An orgasm? It's a freakin' taser gun.

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"A few minutes later, I felt fine. My legs were a bit wobbly but not shaky enough to keep me from standing or walking."

I'm sure he wouldn't be saying that if he were beaten with a night stick.

loris wrote:

I saw some other tazer video about some guy who was really belligerant getting tazed, multiple times. I thought the cop's battery was going to wear out first.

Are you talking about this one?

Link: http://www.nearlygood.com/video/taserguncop.html

Notice how he doesn't piss and moan like the other lady, even though he got hit 5 times. She got hit twice.

Blender, you are the man! Thank you for stepping up because I know not many else will in the face of contraversy.

blender1184 wrote:

Too soon? He warned her 4 times.

Exactlly. The officer warned the bitch 4 times before taking any affirmative action. She was warned but took it lightly. And there is not to be any consequences?

blender1184 wrote:

If the officer and his partner had grabbed and restrained her without using the taser, she'll probably call her lawyer the first chance she gets and slap them with a complaint saying that they sexually assaulted her and touched her innappropriately during the arrest. Even if it's untrue, she'll probably win anyway. And the fact that she's a black woman and the cops are two white males won't help the officers much either. Would you risk all that? I sure as hell wouldn't.

As goes the saying... "Fuck trial lawyers". Those pricks are only out to make a quick buck, at any cost.

It's no wonder that so many companies have to put (obviously) stupid warnings on their products.
ie: Jack In The Box's coffee "Warning. Hot Coffee Is Hot"
another one: Sleeping Pills "May Cause Drowsiness"

blender1184 wrote:

And also, the officer doing commentary on the website stated that it was unwise to manhandle the woman in order to handcuff her. She was still in control of the vehicle and could have put the lives of not only the officers in danger, but other motorists as well.

Yes, so true indeed.

(For example.... don't sue me now because I'm only using this statement as an example and not something true of fact)
Imagine if the same woman had a loaded gun and showed the same kind of resistance as she showed in her vehicle. Would an officer think of any possible medical conditions that the woman may have had (if and before) she pulls the trigger? No. He'd be thinking of his own hide. (I hope)
If not, it'd be like sending Jane Fonda to Vietnam to fight on the US side during the Vietnam war.

blender1184 wrote:

As far as I know, tasers are non-lasting and non-injuring. Which medical condition does one need to have to be seriously hurt by a taser gun? Just for fun, let's recap what she's done wrong: -She is driving over the speed limit. -She has a broken windshield and tail light. -She is not wearing her seatbelt. -She disobeys the officer four times to get out of the vehicle. (an arrestable offense). -She has a suspended license. (an arrestable offense). -She takes a swing at one of the officers. (an arrestable offense). When you break the law and an officer tells you to do something, do it.

After that re-cap, I (hopelessly) hope that people will understand. However, chances are that they won't.


Blender1184, you are the man! Thanks for speaking up and expressing your opinions.
Saying or implicating that the woman was right or is entitled to some sort of sympathy or reward for abuse is wrong. No matter which way you put it. Using the result of the stupid action that the perp had instigated as an entitlement to such is just wrong.


One example I can think of is if a kid acted up to his mother. The mother scolded and warned the kid that if the bad behavior were to persist, a spanking would be in order. The kid disobeys, and the mother gives him a spanking. The kid, tells his friend about it who's father is so happenly a trial lawyer. And you can see what happens after that. -- "Child abuse case". "Child sues mother for child abuse"

May not be exactly the same as the situation presented, however, the elements are the same.
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