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And some people don't. I can see the logic of it, as they are arguably different kinds of dramas marketed to different audiences.

You are correct; many of these number profiles can and are broken down into sub-categories, but let's face it; at the end of the day, the public's attention tends to focus on what are the top 10 highest numbers of that particular medium. What are the top 10 highest rated TV shows of all time; not what are the top 10 TV comedies or TV mini-series or TV sporting events. What are the top 10 highest grossing movies of all time; not what are the top 10 highest grossing sci-fi movies or top 10 highest grossing romantic comedies. I am sure those statistical breakdowns are important to sponsors and financial backers, but do you think the public in general is as meticulous in its appraisal? I think for most people, a dorama is a dorama is a dorama.

shin2 wrote:

We're not talking about critiquing the quality of a TV series; we're discussing how many viewers watch a particular TV series. It's akin to looking at how much money theatrical movies take in. The particular genre of a film plays second fiddle to how much money it makes. Whether a dorama is a Sunday night Taiga program, a weekday Asadora series, or a prime time trendy show, they are all TV dorama and subject to the same ratings system. The focus is on numbers, not content. And as I have said on other posts, the popularity of a particular title is not necessarily a measure of the quality of that series. Oh, and as far as comparing shows of different genres, don't the Academy Awards (both American and Japanese) do that every year?

i don't have beef with you and i understand what you're pointing to..but the bulk of doramas discussed here are the getsuku doramas or the trendy doramas as you put it..

sheer stastical analysis aside, demographics are relevant to the discussion...without reservation i can say that most ppl here aren't watching taigas or otherwise....moreover, the consistency of highly rated doramas starring kimura takuya (for example) do point to a certain affinity emanating from the japanese viewing audience. my point is that analyzing numbers without contextualizing them is a less meaningful exercise.

shin2 wrote:

... but do you think the public in general is as meticulous in its appraisal? I think for most people, a dorama is a dorama is a dorama.

What the world at large think about ratings and what people in this thread think are relevant about ratings seem like two completely different things to me.

As for me, I'm mostly only interested in the evening renzoku doramas, and that seems to be the emphasis of this site, and of the post that sort of started this sub-thread.

Okay, it seems the it's getting pretty serious around here. I'd like to share my 2 yen's worth, but it'll probably stir up the discussion even more, so let's just all watch the dancing squirrel.

w3bhead wrote:

Okay, it seems the it's getting pretty serious around here. I'd like to share my 2 yen's worth, but it'll probably stir up the discussion even more, so let's just all watch the dancing squirrel.

it's not serious. the only serious thing is that i got my nails done, and my hair did...

go Hanshin Tigers. serious is good.......

�� wrote:

Yeah, but they have arguably different audiences because of the show-time and content, and we are measuring the audience, so it makes sense to me, and some others, to consider them separately with respect to ratings.

Of course different shows target different audiences. And I'm sure the producers and sponsors of these shows pore over reams of statistics to determine whether they are successful in attracting their intended viewers. But when the weekly ratings are published (or to take another example, when the weekly movie grosses are published), the focus is on the genre or medium as a whole, not on the various sub-categorical breakdowns. Here are the ratings numbers for dorama; here are the box office numbers for movies. If you want to keep separate the ratings of Taiga dramas, Asadora dramas, and primetime dramas, great--I'm sure such distinctions would yield interesting info. But I don't think it's wrong or inaccurate to lump all dorama into one single listing of ratings either.

shin2 wrote:

But I don't think it's wrong or inaccurate to lump all dorama into one single listing of ratings either.

It's not wrong at all, I was just pointing out from the beginning that I understood the current topic (of most popular doramas having KimuTako, etc. and so forth) to be implicityly excluding taiga and asadora.

�� wrote:

It's not wrong at all, I was just pointing out from the beginning that I understood the current topic (of most popular doramas having KimuTaku, etc. and so forth) to be implicityly excluding taiga and asadora.

that is the general operating assumption

Tu_triky wrote:

i don't have beef with you and i understand what you're pointing to..but the bulk of doramas discussed here are the getsuku doramas or the trendy doramas as you put it.. sheer stastical analysis aside, demographics are relevant to the discussion...without reservation i can say that most ppl here aren't watching taigas or otherwise....moreover, the consistency of highly rated doramas starring kimura takuya (for example) do point to a certain affinity emanating from the japanese viewing audience. my point is that analyzing numbers without contextualizing them is a less meaningful exercise.

I don't have a beef with anyone re: this topic either. My initial post (a couple of pages ago) was to point out what I believed was an error. I have a "big tent" view of dorama, so the ratings numbers of say, Koumyo ga Tsugi are not distinguishable from the ratings numbers of say, Anego. That's why I thought the post about Takuya Kimura's having the 3 highest rated dorama was incorrect; it did not occur to me that this person was talking about a specific type of dorama. Had I not misinterpreted that post, there would have been a dozen fewer responses on this thread. No question I am in the miniscule minority of members of this site when it comes to dorama. I like Taiga, I like Asadora, I don't like Takuya Kimura. In retrospect, seeing his name in that post I initially responded to probably was the trigger which initiated the subsequent flood of postings. I guess I need to be less impulsive and more clear-thinking in the future. Anyway, this will be my last response on this subject; I'm hungry and am going to have dinner.

shin2 wrote:

I don't have a beef with anyone re: this topic either. My initial post (a couple of pages ago) was to point out what I believed was an error. I have a "big tent" view of dorama, so the ratings numbers of say, Koumyo ga Tsugi are not distinguishable from the ratings numbers of say, Anego. That's why I thought the post about Takuya Kimura's having the 3 highest rated dorama was incorrect; it did not occur to me that this person was talking about a specific type of dorama. Had I not misinterpreted that post, there would have been a dozen fewer responses on this thread. No question I am in the miniscule minority of members of this site when it comes to dorama. I like Taiga, I like Asadora, I don't like Takuya Kimura. In retrospect, seeing his name in that post I initially responded to probably was the trigger which initiated the subsequent flood of postings. I guess I need to be less impulsive and more clear-thinking in the future. Anyway, this will be my last response on this subject; I'm hungry and am going to have dinner.

a most lucid reply...i enjoy reading your posts because you explicate your views more eloquently and thoroughly than the average person. your argument is of course germaine to the topic of ratings....as you mentioned, your more worldly, all-inclusive view is one that is more expansive than most of those who post here with any frequency....we are merely looking at different facets of the same shape.

it is okay to dislike kimura takuya and it is also important to eat dinner when you are hungry have a good dinner ^_^

it's all takuya kimura's fault.

thanks to the healthy debate. it was refreshing.

i think Johnny's boys are a big factor in the ratings of the more popular modern doramas (i don't know the exact term for the genre). and if i were an advertiser, i'd base my decision to advertise on a certain timeslot on its audience profile, maybe even if the program is n ot a rater but it hits the specific audience i want, then i'd place my ad there.
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it's all takuya kimura's fault. thanks to the healthy debate. it was refreshing.

you gotta flex the fat in the brain every once in a while.

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i think Johnny's boys are a big factor in the ratings of the more popular modern doramas (i don't know the exact term for the genre). and if i were an advertiser, i'd base my decision to advertise on a certain timeslot on its audience profile, maybe even if the program is n ot a rater but it hits the specific audience i want, then i'd place my ad there.

i'm sure your thought process is shared by the powers that be....the advertisers, that is.

Tu_triky wrote:

a most lucid reply...i enjoy reading your posts because you explicate your views more eloquently and thoroughly than the average person. your argument is of course germaine to the topic of ratings....as you mentioned, your more worldly, all-inclusive view is one that is more expansive than most of those who post here with any frequency....we are merely looking at different facets of the same shape. it is okay to dislike kimura takuya and it is also important to eat dinner when you are hungry have a good dinner ^_^

i suppose we have a right to our opinions...and sir Tu_triky i have full confidence and respect for....
so in essense if we can all keep the peace...and have a good debateable discussion...and just enjoy our favorite topic Japanese doramas....then everyone can be happy, even during a work week after rush hour traffic....ok, i think i've said too much....what topic am i in? lol

Ratings for Doramas in Summer (Week 2)
Sapuri 17.9%_13.0%
Dance��Drill 11.0%_9.5%
Kekkon Dekinai Otoko 20.2%_14.4%_15.9%
CA to Oyobi 13.0%_10.6%_9.1%
PS - Rashomon 13.9%_11.9%_9.5%
Shimokita Sundays 11.4%_8.1%
Hanayome wa Yakudoshi 13.2%_12.8%_12.3%
Fushin no Toki 14.0%_13.5%_12.5%
Taiyo no Uta 13.8%
Regatta - Kimi to Ita Eien 9.5%
My Boss, My Hero 19.0%_16.7%
Dare yori mo Mama o Aisu 13.4%_10.9%_10.2%
Komyou ga Tsuji 19.8%_22.7%_22.6%_22.0%_21.5%_21.8%_21.9%_20.8%_20.3%_20.5%_21.3%_17.2%_20.1%_20.9%_21.7%_20.8%_20.8%_19.8%_20.6%_20.9%_20.4%_21.2%_24.1%_21.1%_21.9%_20.2%_21.1%_20.9%

Note that the ratings focus on the Kanto (Tokyo) and the Kansai (Osaka) areas.

shin2 wrote:

Just curious, but are you implying that the ratings of Koumyo ga Tsugi are not as relevant as the ratings of the other series because of the demographics of its audience?

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking but I was trying to say that majority of the ratings for taiga doramas are from the older audiences. The older audiences tend to watch taiga dramas all the time and japan's audience has more interest during the nobunaga, hideyoshi years and plus if people like it, people will watch it more.

I'm not sure what you meant by "other series." Is that other taiga doramas or just dramas in general? If you were referring to dramas in general, people were mentioning that this week's drama's ratings were low but Koumyo ga Tsuji was constantly good, so I mentioned that students have finals and exams this week so they may not have time to watch any dramas, or they record them and watch it another time. And taiga doramas are usually viewed by older audiences. Usually they lack interest as time goes on, and the ratings slowly drop. So far it has done pretty well but I could assume that usually during the Nobunaga and Hideyoshi periods are quite popular.

Hope that helps.

Kekkon Dekinai Otoko is so far an entertaining program. Abe Hiroshi, as an actor, makes that drama even better. At least there is someone in the Japanese acting industry who looks manly.

jjpsychic2 wrote:

Kekkon Dekinai Otoko is so far an entertaining program. Abe Hiroshi, as an actor, makes that drama even better. At least there is someone in the Japanese acting industry who looks manly.

I agree, Kekkon Dekinai Otoko has totally topped my expectations. I was mostly expecting that Tsukamoto Takashi is kakkoii, and anything else is boring, but I expectations were wrong I mean sure Tsukamoto Takashi is kakkoii (omg I love those dimples ), but the show is great itself. Im curious how the relationship bethween Shinsuke & Natsumi and of course Michiru & Eiji will develop. I hope we get a nice love story out of this one (yes, Im a romantic so kill me )

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Oricon Poll: Satisfaction Ratings for Spring Dramas 2006 1. Iryu (Team Medical Dragon) - 83.2% 2. Bengoshi no Kuzu - 75.3% 3. Fugoh Keiji Deluxe - 74.0% 4. Kurosagi - 72.8% 5. Top Caster - 72.5% 6. Busu no Hitomi ni Koi Shiteru - 71.2% 7. Attention Please - 70.8% 8. Oishii Puropozu - 68.8% 9. Shichinin no Onna Bengoshi - 68.2% 10. Primadam - 60.6%

whoa.. Iryu topped all by quite far...
i'll check Bengoshi and Fugoh...
and Kuro is in #4 ...
not bad...
who were the voters for this survey?
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Ratings for Doramas in Summer (Week 2) Sapuri 17.9%_13.0% Dance��Drill 11.0% Kekkon Dekinai Otoko 20.2%_14.4% CA to Oyobi 13.0%_10.6% PS - Rashomon 13.9%_11.9% Shimokita Sundays 11.4% Hanayome wa Yakudoshi 13.2%_12.8% Fushin no Toki 14.0%_13.5% Taiyo no Uta 13.8% Regatta - Kimi to Ita Eien 9.5% My Boss, My Hero 19.0%_16.7% Dare yori mo Mama o Aisu 13.4%_10.9%_10.2% Komyou ga Tsuji 19.8%_22.7%_22.6%_22.0%_21.5%_21.8%_21.9%_20.8%_20.3%_20.5%_21.3%_17.2%_20.1%_20.9%_21.7%_20.8%_20.8%_19.8%_20.6%_20.9%_20.4%_21.2%_24.1%_21.1%_21.9%_20.2%_21.1% I'm not one to believe in ratings but wow 13% for Sapuri in its 2nd week is something unseen for a drama in the much sought after golden hour. The quality of dramas are really sliding as the seasons go by but I like Kekkon Dekinai Otoko. Abe Hiroshi's just hilarious.

what happened?
all the ratings were falling ??
but My Boss my Hero still managed at above 15%
i believe its story must b good
or maybe bcoz tomoya is in there
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Oh my gosh, wtf is happening? I dont get the ratings at all. Especially Regatta, THE FIRST EPISODE under 10 %?? It definately deserves more viewers! I mean even Shimokita Sundays got more, and it sucks for gods sake! All the doramas going down... well atleast My Boss My Hero is over 15... Damn, it has really come down to the fact that Kimura Takuya is what every dorama needs (ok maybe not koumyoji no tsuji..) this is just boring, ppl dont watch doramas anymore...

since everyone talking about Regatta, i became so curious.
what is it bout?

Shimokita Sundays got more probably bcoz it is Fujigaya Taisuke (KMF2)'s first drama..
hahhahaha im just kidding..
i can only think of this reason bcoz im a JE fans
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