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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:11 am Post subject:
I don't think there are any haiku forms here in this thread. It is not about counting the words..it has to be about a season. Which is why sakuras and snow are often mentioned. I think that is the old Japanese style.
Waka is older and different in form. I think it is more interesting.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject:
brad2 wrote:
I don't think there are any haiku forms here in this thread. It is not about counting the words..it has to be about a season. Which is why sakuras and snow are often mentioned. I think that is the old Japanese style.
Waka is older and different in form. I think it is more interesting.
Peg
Still waiting for your waka, Peg.
Haiku is also about counting the syllables to a certain extent which can not be translated totally into English. But the usual formula is 17 syllables usually cut up in 3 lines.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:17 am Post subject:
Ah well...Since it is you my dear and since you are rather good at twisting an arm..i.e
attempt at waka here..
Where did the song go
How did the melody fade
No sound, no light shines
And yet a bird is singing
The heart impaled on a thorn
*******
I read somewhere that the Emperor Meiji and his wife wrote wakas to one another many times a day. It was communication and consequently only they knew just what they were conveying. Prying eyes not privy to their love notes or jokes or complaints. My husband wrote poems to me but not quite that number !!!
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:22 am Post subject:
Eve,
I read your haiku more than once and came to the conclusion that it gives many mind pictures. For me this is really what poems are all about. I liked your haiku of 16 syllables. I think it should be retained exactly as it is.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:49 am Post subject:
brad2 wrote:
Eve,
I read your haiku more than once and came to the conclusion that it gives many mind pictures. For me this is really what poems are all about. I liked your haiku of 16 syllables. I think it should be retained exactly as it is.
Peg
LOL, not sure how 17 becomes 16. Perhaps you missed one syllable in Beautifully (5 there alone).
And yes, Im good at twisting arms and legs....
Loved your Waka, interesting. I havent read anything in that form before.
brad2 wrote:
I read somewhere that the Emperor Meiji and his wife wrote wakas to one another many times a day. It was communication and consequently only they knew just what they were conveying. Prying eyes not privy to their love notes or jokes or complaints. My husband wrote poems to me but not quite that number !!!
How great they had so much free time.
And safer in that realm Im sure.
Lovely, that your man wrote you poetry.
My ex wrote me poetry. It was fine but I prefer the rather straightforward texts from my husband now. _________________
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:15 am Post subject:
Well maybe I am wrong.
Beau ti full y ( I see four)
What am I missing?
I got going on haiku last year and it became so embedded that I would wake up in the night and find I was working my brain to do a haiku. Last night I woke up and I was having a go at a waka. It becomes an addiction.
Poetry is easier to write and express stronger emotion I think. At least easier than writing prose in a letter.
Although a really good writer can give a message in any form. For example Mr. Churchill could rouse the whole Parliament into frenzy at times and then do the same to boost up the morale of the whole country. I don't know if he ever wrote poetry but he certainly wrote to his Clemmy a lot.
Peg
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:04 am Post subject:
brad2 wrote:
Well maybe I am wrong.
Beau ti full y ( I see four)
What am I missing?
Bea-u-ti-ful-ly writes the English major.
brad2 wrote:
I got going on haiku last year and it became so embedded that I would wake up in the night and find I was working my brain to do a haiku. Last night I woke up and I was having a go at a waka. It becomes an addiction.
That sounds like me with my studying Norwegian. I wake up from dreaming I am putting sentences together in that language. _________________
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:18 am Post subject:
Eve.
that is a great link.
With regard to Haiga..I am glad to know the name of that art because my first mind picture for my waka was a lady sitting beside a pool having lost her love and watching the bird sing on the rose bush, despite the thorny wound.
I may try to paint that some day. It is a persistent image.
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