fo' real, that is wack.....yeah if you're dressed like a bum that's one thing but just because you're not a member of the yamato race....lame.
lol
But would they know if you're not from Kyoto? Do they have special radar attached to their forehead that alerts them whenever someone NOT born in Kyoto steps into their restaurant? _________________
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:
Wynter wrote:
lol
But would they know if you're not from Kyoto? Do they have special radar attached to their forehead that alerts them whenever someone NOT born in Kyoto steps into their restaurant?
Well I think they can tell by your appearance. If you dont look like you're from kyoto, then they might stay away from you. I know there are places in Tokyo that dont allow foreigners in. Kinda messed up, but I guess there are people in every country that dont like any outsiders. Its like like the KKK. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:08 am Post subject:
IIRC, they don't banned Japanese people from their establishment, only foreigners. Foreigners includes Koreans, Chinese and others whom have been living there for generations, of course.
They know the difference between the locals and the visitors (Japaneses) by the accent. I have no idea, if there's a difference between in Kyoko's dialect vs Osaka, but from what I've heard they're not friendly to visitors. Over here, I can easily stop every tourists on the sidewalk, I'm sure they can do the same.
I'm sure there are lots of friendly people in Kyoto too. I know a lot of people who had bad experiences with Parisians and they're not all jerks. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:28 am Post subject:
tabana wrote:
Not the 1st time I've heard that one. It seems they don't even like non-Kyotoites. Seriously, I don't get it why you get refused to go into restaurants. Unless you're dressed like crap and try to go into a 5 star restaurant, they should let everybody in.
Mmmh, I read somewhere that your�Lre only considered "Kyotian" if your family has been in Kyoto for at least 5 generations.
Kyoto aside, restaurants generally might sometimes refuse to serve you because they panic - because they don�Lt have an English menu or because nobody from the staff speaks English and they feel that they can�Lt provide the appropriate service. Also, they fear (sometimes rightly so) that the gajin customer might be not used to the kind of kitchen they serve.
Mmmh, I read somewhere that your�Lre only considered "Kyotian" if your family has been in Kyoto for at least 5 generations.
Kyoto aside, restaurants generally might sometimes refuse to serve you because they panic - because they don�Lt have an English menu or because nobody from the staff speaks English and they feel that they can�Lt provide the appropriate service. Also, they fear (sometimes rightly so) that the gajin customer might be not used to the kind of kitchen they serve.
Ah okies, this makes sense. Btw, what's the actual definition of "gajin"? _________________
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:50 am Post subject:
Wynter wrote:
Ah okies, this makes sense. Btw, what's the actual definition of "gajin"?
Technically, anybody that's not native Japanese. Like everything else though, there are shades of grey. The 2 greatest Japanese baseplayers of all time are Sadaharu Oh and a guy named Nagashima (I forget his first name, Shigeo?) Anyway, Nagashima has always been much more popular than Oh, because Oh's father is Chinese. Like a Japanese friend of mine told me, "No matter how well you speak or read Japanese, Mark, you're always going to be a gaijin." That's why I took this name for this forum.
Another good example would be Akiko Wada, her parents are both Korean, but she was born in Osaka, and even though she was born in Japan, she caught hell for awhile when she growing up because her parents are Korean.
Technically, anybody that's not native Japanese. Like everything else though, there are shades of grey. The 2 greatest Japanese baseplayers of all time are Sadaharu Oh and a guy named Nagashima (I forget his first name, Shigeo?) Anyway, Nagashima has always been much more popular than Oh, because Oh's father is Chinese. Like a Japanese friend of mine told me, "No matter how well you speak or read Japanese, Mark, you're always going to be a gaijin." That's why I took this name for this forum.
Another good example would be Akiko Wada, her parents are both Korean, but she was born in Osaka, and even though she was born in Japan, she caught hell for awhile when she growing up because her parents are Korean.
Ahhhhhh okies. Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted to know. I knew that gaijin referred to people who weren't Japanese, but I was wondering if that also meant people who weren't Japanese, but BORN in Japan.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:48 am Post subject:
Wynter wrote:
lol
But would they know if you're not from Kyoto? Do they have special radar attached to their forehead that alerts them whenever someone NOT born in Kyoto steps into their restaurant?
they could also tell just from your japanese accent & dialect most likely....if you didn't speak japanese well that's fairly obvious.
they could also tell just from your japanese accent & dialect most likely....if you didn't speak japanese well that's fairly obvious.
But if you were born in Kyoto, and therefore spoke the dialect, and you're parents weren't born there, but the others didn't know... then you'd be safe, eh? _________________
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:03 am Post subject:
Wynter wrote:
But if you were born in Kyoto, and therefore spoke the dialect, and you're parents weren't born there, but the others didn't know... then you'd be safe, eh?
as to say your folks moved there and you were born there but they weren't? well anybody living there since birth would probably "fit in" as it were...especially given the emphasis on collective consciousness and group think in Japan...ppl tend to gravitate toward a mainstream and are taught as such from a cultural perspective (i.e. in schools, etc.)
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:07 am Post subject:
Wynter wrote:
Ahhhhhh okies. Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted to know. I knew that gaijin referred to people who weren't Japanese, but I was wondering if that also meant people who weren't Japanese, but BORN in Japan.
Arigato, Musa!
when i first went to japan to live and school, despite my half english half japanese background, i got treated better than i did when living in england. even to this day i feel more comfortable being in japan. _________________
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:55 am Post subject:
After feeling miserable from the weather in Florida, I'm trying to figure out when is the best time to go to Japan? I know we'll be back next year for the 25th anniversary of Tokyo Disneyland (so it'll be after April 15). At first, I was thinking June since the days would be long and it wouldn't be in July and August. I've been there those months and it could be miserable.
Fall/winter could be cold, so no sweating, but the days are short.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:23 am Post subject:
dochira wrote:
After feeling miserable from the weather in Florida, I'm trying to figure out when is the best time to go to Japan? I know we'll be back next year for the 25th anniversary of Tokyo Disneyland (so it'll be after April 15). At first, I was thinking June since the days would be long and it wouldn't be in July and August. I've been there those months and it could be miserable.
Fall/winter could be cold, so no sweating, but the days are short.
Dude didn't realize you were such a die hard Disney fan!
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:51 am Post subject:
Bah now everyone is scaring me...
First my friend then ya guys...
He says right now is tsuyu season but after that stops is suppose to be hell and the temperature is really hot. He said there is even this word "natsubate" which represents summer fatigue...
Is it really that bad to go during August?
I grew up in island myself (Puerto Rico) and we get weathers of 90+ everyday during summer and 100F weathers are very typical.
Is it really that bad though? Those who been to Japan/Tokyo during August, what do you think? Should I postponed my flight/vacation to another season?
The way ya guys put it, and the way my friend puts it, it sounds like I won't be able to enjoy a single day there due to the heat... Either thats just exaggeration cause he used to the New York weather, or maybe is truly insane... _________________
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:55 am Post subject:
TaintedWisdom wrote:
Bah now everyone is scaring me...
First my friend then ya guys...
He says right now is tsuyu season but after that stops is suppose to be hell and the temperature is really hot. He said there is even this word "natsubate" which represents summer fatigue...
Is it really that bad to go during August?
I grew up in island myself (Puerto Rico) and we get weathers of 90+ everyday during summer and 100F weathers are very typical.
Is it really that bad though? Those who been to Japan/Tokyo during August, what do you think? Should I postponed my flight/vacation to another season?
The way ya guys put it, and the way my friend puts it, it sounds like I won't be able to enjoy a single day there due to the heat... Either thats just exaggeration cause he used to the New York weather, or maybe is truly insane...
Well summer there is hot and humid like New York City. If you're used it perhaps it won't be such a big deal....but it's well known that traditionally the most temperate climates in Tokyo are during the Fall and Spring. I personally went in October before it started snowing...but then it did rain a day or two while I was there but it didn't really bother us that much.
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