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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: Japanese numbers Reply with quote Back to top

Why is it that I've been taught through Japanese learning tapes how to say numbers but whenever a Japanese person counts they seem to pronouce completely different words? Example 4 = yon, yet when I hear someone count to 10 they say something entirely different for 4.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese numbers Reply with quote Back to top

Jimmi wrote:
Why is it that I've been taught through Japanese learning tapes how to say numbers but whenever a Japanese person counts they seem to pronouce completely different words? Example 4 = yon, yet when I hear someone count to 10 they say something entirely different for 4.


I guess when counting backwards or forwards, you say numbers differently??? That or maybe where you're from that plays a difference??
I'm not exactly sure, but for the number example you use, I tend to say yon ever since i hear it from the Initial D anime hehe
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

sometimes, they kinda cut the word short. or at least thats how it sounds.

like 1 = ichi = ICH or 6 = roku = rok

kinda like, losing the last letter.



but i dont think i'm completly correct tho. Puppy Dog Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

There are numbers that are pronounced differently, depending on how it is used, and who says it.

4 = yon or shi
40 = yon-ju, I've never heard of shi-ju

7 = nana or shichi

I'm sure there is an explanation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

dochira wrote:
There are numbers that are pronounced differently, depending on how it is used, and who says it.

4 = yon or shi
40 = yon-ju, I've never heard of shi-ju

7 = nana or shichi

I'm sure there is an explanation.


Most Japanese prefer to use Yon when they can as Shi also means Death. Same implication with Shichi. Yon is also stronger sounding Shi is kind of a weak sound that can easily get lost. At least that is my understanding of the usages.

You will also notice most Japanese hotels don't have a 4th floor to tie in with the whole shi = death thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Doramafan113 wrote:


Most Japanese prefer to use Yon when they can as Shi also means Death. Same implication with Shichi. Yon is also stronger sounding Shi is kind of a weak sound that can easily get lost. At least that is my understanding of the usages.

You will also notice most Japanese hotels don't have a 4th floor to tie in with the whole shi = death thing.

Ah, just like 13 here in the US. Doesn't the "shi" come from the Chinese pronunciation?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Doramafan113 wrote:


Most Japanese prefer to use Yon when they can as Shi also means Death. Same implication with Shichi.
You will also notice most Japanese hotels don't have a 4th floor to tie in with the whole shi = death thing.


WOW!!! i didn't know that. I learn a lot here at Jdorama Mr Green
Thanks a lot Bow
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

From TheJapanesePage.com

ON READING: Is the 'Chinese' Reading and is thus usually spelled in katakana
KUN READING: Is the 'Japanese' Reading and is written in hiragana.

Meanings: one, 1
On Readings: ichi, itsu
Kun Readings: hito, hito(tsu)

Meanings: two, 2, second
On Readings: ni
Kun Readings: futa, futa(tsu)

Meanings: three, 3, third
On Readings: san
Kun Readings: mi, mit(tsu), mi(tsu)

Meanings: four, 4, fourth
On Readings: shi
Kun Readings: yon, yo, yot(tsu), yo(tsu)

Meanings: five, 5
On Readings: go
Kun Readings: itsu, itsu(tsu)

Meanings: six, 6, sixth
On Readings: roku
Kun Readings: mu, mui, mut(tsu), mu(tsu)

Meanings: seven, 7, seventh
On Readings: shichi
Kun Readings: nana, nana(tsu)

Meanings: 8, eight, eighth
On Readings: hachi
Kun Readings: ya, yat(tsu), you

Meanings: nine, 9, ninth
On Readings: kyuu, ku
Kun Readings: kokono, kokono(tsu)

I read somewhere that numbers sometimes loose letters or are shorten for easier pronunciation, but I'm not sure if that's true or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese numbers Reply with quote Back to top

K.T.Tran wrote:


I guess when counting backwards or forwards, you say numbers differently??? That or maybe where you're from that plays a difference??
I'm not exactly sure, but for the number example you use, I tend to say yon ever since i hear it from the Initial D anime hehe


An interesting point here is that when Japanese and fluent speakers of it count forwards to ten, most will say:

いち に さん し ご ろく しち はち きゅう じゅう

but when they count backwards, the two numbers in question here change:

じゅう きゅう はち なな ろく ご よん さん に いち

Don't ask me why, though. I couldn't tell ya.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese numbers Reply with quote Back to top

kokuou wrote:


An interesting point here is that when Japanese and fluent speakers of it count forwards to ten, most will say:

いち に さん し ご ろく しち はち きゅう じゅう

but when they count backwards, the two numbers in question here change:

じゅう きゅう はち なな ろく ご よん さん に いち

Don't ask me why, though. I couldn't tell ya.

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I've always done it that way too. I find it easier to say し and しち counting forward and よん and なな counting backwards. I dunno, that's my reason. Crazy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

counting is may be difficult for foreigners to comprehend (i hope that don't sound to condiscending) because diffrent things may be counted differently, case in point:

if you're gonna be counting long things (such as pencils, chopsticks, etc.) it would be ipon, nihon, sampon... (1, 2, 3,...)

if you were to count thin, flat things (such as paper, seeweed, etc) it would be cound as: ichi-mai, ni-mai, sanmai...

if you're gonna be counting animails, it would be: ipiki, nipiki, sampiki...

these are just a few other examples.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

remember for animals 3 changes to sambiki instead of piki
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

neoshi wrote:
remember for animals 3 changes to sambiki instead of piki

Maybe it's just me, but I have a widescreen laptop and your messages, neoshi, are VERY hard to read because your avitar is so big. Would you mind sizing it down in consideration of people trying to read your messages?

TIA

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

kokuou wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I have a widescreen laptop and your messages, neoshi, are VERY hard to read because your avitar is so big. Would you mind sizing it down in consideration of people trying to read your messages?

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Okay, it so just resized itself now and it is small...
something funky's goin' on here!! Beaten

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

kokuou wrote:


Okay, it so just resized itself now and it is small...
something funky's goin' on here!! Beaten

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I've been having the same problem when I browse from home.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

lol.. hmm.. i will make it even smaller then lol.. no idea why it's expanded
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

neoshi wrote:
remember for animals 3 changes to sambiki instead of piki
thats just the english phonetics. when you pronounce it, it doesn't really matter if it's biki or piki. (or at least i don't think so).

thoughts, anyone?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

hmm i guess though my sensei nitpicked me on that stuff so i guess she hammered biki into my brain for both writing and pronunciation
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

neoshi wrote:
hmm i guess though my sensei nitpicked me on that stuff so i guess she hammered biki into my brain for both writing and pronunciation
well, if you are going to school for that, then i guess the proper keigo for that would prolly be biki. me, i just speak casual JP, and no keigo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

niko2x wrote:
thats just the english phonetics. when you pronounce it, it doesn't really matter if it's biki or piki. (or at least i don't think so).

thoughts, anyone?

I think it depends on the consonant that precedes it:
For example, hyaku (100).

200 = nihyaku
300 = sanbyaku or sambyaku
400 = yonhyaku
...
800 = happyaku
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