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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject:
I just start to watch this drama.... I'know that i'm late :p I've find it very interesting storyline... different from most of J-drama.... and like my id name, I just start to watch this because of Kassy although I know that he wasn't the main cast but after I watch up til now (eps 6) love it! ^^ also love the ost....
Is anyone of you have the soft subtitles for this drama, i already download whole series of this drama, but can't watch it without subtitles...please help me if anyone of you have the soft suntitles and willing to help.
That's why I really don't know why the Japanese didn't really like this drama (Viewership ratings only 12.28%!) and there are so less opinion on the drama from the member of jdrama.com!!! Maybe you've not finished watching it yet? ^^ highly highly recommanded!
I wouldn't be surprised if something like this doesn't receive high ratings, it's not a romance drama coupled with good plot (you would expect something like Proposal Daisakusen to get high ratings - I'm not sure if it did though) Anyone who hasn't seen Byakuyakou is missing out though! The connection between the characters is just plain vicious. When they're together (Yukiho + Ryou) they realize they're even more cruel and just can't stop their wrongdoings. However they clutch onto even the slightest hope of being together. The message that even people who have lost most of their morals do wish to be able to love and be loved. And in this aspect I think Yukiho and Ryou, especially Ryou, are still lucky that they have someone they love, and that someone loves them back. For Ryou, he has two women who truly love him, and even has a son (I don't know about Japanese culture, but having a son is supposed to be something really rewarding for a bad person, it's sort of like a redeeming thing in other Asian cultures). His ending wasn't bad at all. But Yukiho ... She continues to suffer just so that his death wouldn't be meaningless ...
The scene where she holds hand with the little boy was simply heartbreaking as well. But does anyone remember if the boy was actually Ryou's son? I tried to imagine it was, and it would make a whole lot of sense it it was, but I just can't see how the mother looked anything like Noriko (Ryou's "lover") _________________
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:23 am Post subject:
HHND wrote:
The scene where she holds hand with the little boy was simply heartbreaking as well. But does anyone remember if the boy was actually Ryou's son? I tried to imagine it was, and it would make a whole lot of sense it it was, but I just can't see how the mother looked anything like Noriko (Ryou's "lover")
I have that doubt too
This is such an intense story, it�Ls not your "watch-with-the-whole-family-at-dinner-time" kind of dorama.
The cast was great, Takeda Tetsuya and Takayuki as ususal and the two kids(very impressive).
What i loved about this was how i could like the characters and care for them dispite all the deaths and rapes.
The last scene with the kid was really gold
I just finished this great drama. It easily gets 10 out of 10 points from me. Only the last episode was a letdown in my eyes.
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Maybe I am too cynical for this world.
I just hate that they felt obliged to turn the story into "all criminals get what they deserve in the end" cliche.
In the first 10 episodes the whole series builds up to the conclusion that they will never be able to live "happily ever after". Because of their guilt and the constant hiding from the truth. Ok, that is understandable, I am fine with that.
But apparently they did not have the guts to tell their audience that some murders walk freely on this earth (which is a fact). No, instead they have to turn it into this "redemption in death" nonsense in the last episode.
So he has to kill himself because of guilt. And she has to lose everything and live the rest of her life "like a zombie" because she chose to avoid the death sentence.
Yea, right.
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:00 am Post subject:
Bbbut wrote:
I just finished this great drama. It easily gets 10 out of 10 points from me. Only the last episode was a letdown in my eyes.
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Maybe I am too cynical for this world.
I just hate that they felt obliged to turn the story into "all criminals get what they deserve in the end" cliche.
In the first 10 episodes the whole series builds up to the conclusion that they will never be able to live "happily ever after". Because of their guilt and the constant hiding from the truth. Ok, that is understandable, I am fine with that.
But apparently they did not have the guts to tell their audience that some murders walk freely on this earth (which is a fact). No, instead they have to turn it into this "redemption in death" nonsense in the last episode.
So he has to kill himself because of guilt. And she has to lose everything and live the rest of her life "like a zombie" because she chose to avoid the death sentence.
Yea, right.
Yes the ending was huge letdown, if the entire story was about something unusual why couldn�Lt they go with an unusual ending
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:29 am Post subject:
i haven't watch but the synopsis sounds interesting. I already heard the soundtrack and it sounds great. so definitely it's on my list to watch _________________
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Well Yukiho is walking freely, and it's not like she's in prison or anything. It's logical because to achieve her dreams she was too impulsive to have 2 stores at once, and the debt building on her is completely logical. Yukiho's punishment is the fact that she cannot die, the fact that she cannot confess her sins, that she has to live with it the rest of her life.
I like the ending because it shows these two people (R&Y) are not criminals who have completely turned to the dark side; they still have a very human nature just because of the fact that they love each other. What's wrong with Ryou wanting to die??? He used to be a normal boy but turns "bad" because of special circumstances. He's not a person who kills people without feeling any guilt, in fact he has only killed 2 people, his dad and Matsura-san (directly).
I don't see what's wrong with Yukiho's ending either. It's not like a happy ending or anything. She just lost her store, but that doesn't mean she's getting the punishment she deserves. So in a sense it's like what you said, that some criminals do walk freely on earth. She's still living a normal life isn't she???
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:35 am Post subject:
Ahhh Byakuyakou... I almost feel guilty for liking this drama. The characters are mental and they rationalize their inhumane actions with their love for one another. This show is dark and it truly shows the ugly side of human beings, if you should even classify the two main characters as that. But despite the craziness, this show was oddly addicting.
It was like a train wreck. Very disturbing, but yet you can't stop watching it. This drama isn't for everybody, but its one of the best j-dramas I've seen.
I just finished It and I have to say that It really got into me. The story, It's not really complicated but It's intriguing and very unexpected, since It told about inhuman doings, but to say something really human.
Here's my comment, since I had to take out some parts of the drama to analyze, It may content a lot of spoilers, please consider before reading!!! And thank You for read It!!
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Those kids, they have done a lot of inhuman doings, they said It themself: "We're despicable, too despicable to make people want to look away!", they have between them a relationship that's also very not-human, a love that went beyond everything, even jealousy from love itself. In their world there's no sun, the only thing bright each one of them have is other. So they keep trying, keep suffering to make other happy.
When someone asks me: "They fall in love at 11 years old???", I would always say: "No, I don't think It's actually love!". It's just a kind of relationship, an attraction based on sympathize. But their lack-of-love lives turn It into something different from normal sympathize. It makes them take each others as indispensable, unique, the only sun. And that exchange murder ties their lives together. That relationship must turn into love within that 7 years not seeing each others, since It's unbreakable and too obsessing, specially when those 7 years is hard to both of them. When I think about It, They wouldn't love each others that much if they wasn't living a life that hard, and the exchange murder didn't happen. They are both really smart, and I don't think smart people tend to dedicate their life just for someone. Well, they must be always asking "if?" too!
I read a comment about this drama, It's a pretty high rated comment, but I didn't rate for It since the author asked: "Do they love each others?" and then answered His/herself: "Yes!". Well, for me that's out of question, I wondered why that author can ask such an obvious question, even if It was for impression, It made me feel uneasy. They love each others crazily, to the point that they can give everything up just for each others. They threw away their conscience, their right to commit suicide and even their love for other's happiness. They committed inhuman crimes for each others. They wanted to die, Ryouji, when He took "pictures" of those girls, everytime He committed crimes, He wanted to die. I think He must be much happier if He can die. But He stopped himself just because of Yukiho's dream, to be able to walking hand-in-hand under the sun, and then He lets himself tortured by those crimes he made. Yukiho too, she wanted to die, a lot, when Ryouji died. But she can't, because if she does so, everything Ryouji has done will go to waste. So she has to continue to live in that living hell. They won't even ask to be loved by each others. Ryouji, firstly, got extremely angry and jealous when He thought that Yukiho loves Shinozuka (That author also said that Yukiho liked Shinozuka, based on those eyes when she saw him off, and from what she has done to his girlfriend. Well, she was just after his fortune, to be able to free Ryouji from that ghost-life, and she was just too angry when her plan shattered just because of that girl's good personality, something that It's not she doesn't have, but she can't have). But then afterward, He stepped back, even helped Yukiho in her marriage. He doesn't even need himself to be loved. That's also why He doesn't go far with Noriko, even when She accepted him completely, something that's luxurious for Ryouji, "Because You won't be happy, I'm afraid that that person will harm your future, I'm afraid of everyone who can harm your future.".
I admire that love, a lot. Me, I never think that I can get myself into a love like this. But what a shame, such a pure, strong love can't be paid off. I used to hear that "If You don't love yourself, You won't be able to love others.". I don't think so, I think that even if You hate yourself to the point that You can go kill yourself anytime, You can love others, You can love very deeply. Just that You won't be able to express your love rightly, that You won't know how to love rightly. Those two are like that. They hate themself very much, to the point that their body naturally refuses to leave childrens (when Ryouji leave a child behind, I think that Noriko's words touched him and made him love himself a little bit, at the moment). Their love is too strong, but they can't express It, they don't know how to love, that's why they keep throwing everything away for other. They just don't know how much other will be suffering when they throw themself away like that, they just don't know that their happiness is other's happiness as well. Their love, firstly seems to be very indulgent, but in the end, It's a pure selfish love. And they keep dragging each others deeper and deeper into a black hole with no return. I always think that if they could love themself, just a little bit, they could have be hiding somewhere to be together, or give themself up. But for them, the road under the sun for other is too important, that's why they got separated and keep hurting each others by making themself hurt.
The only ray of light in the ending of this drama is that they knew that they love each others, that they're being loved by their dearest. Ryouji confessed to Yukiho, and read Yukiho's words about himself being her "most valuable person", that she "will never let him go again". That's why He said to Sasagaki that "because she's my sun, and I, I'm her sun!". Before, Ryouji thought that Yukiho didn't love him, He could die knowing that she loves him very much, just as much as He loves her, die seeing her walking into a road of light. That's good for him, He died smiling. I hope that after being able to hold that (his, hopefully) child's hand under the sun at the 11 november 2006, Yukiho can go kill herself. I know that I'm being weird and pessimist, but I want her to kill herself rather than tell the truth. That way, everything they have done to cover their crimes will pay off, and she can be happy with him by her side, even if It's in hell. Well, they may be used to hell that hell itself will be nothing to them!
I really like Yamada Takayuki's acting here. He can portray the smart and cool Ryouji, but also the weak and shy Ryouji, the Ryouji that lived as a ghost, also the Ryouji that walked nonchalantly under the sun, the young Ryouji that's afraid of everything, that let his emotions control everything, but also the Ryouji that already threw away everything, calmly accepts everything. The only thing that never change in Yamada Takayuki's Ryouji is the dark and sad sensation expressed from his eyes, but also the interminable gentleness in those eyes everytime he looks at Yukiho. He really has beautiful eyes, that must be a recompense for his not-really-attractive look.
It really took me a while to let go of the depressed situation after watching It. If someone ask me: "Will You watch it again?", I will answer: "Yes, of course!!!", but if someone ask me: "Shall I watch It?", I will answer: "No, I won't recommend It!", and depend on how this person is, I'll be strongly or less strongly against him/her watching this drama. I rate It 10/10, both in plot, acting and directing. Rare and Great drama!!! _________________
I'm helpless....
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For me, I don't think the boy and girl fell in love the way two normal people fall in (romantic) love. They love each other because to Ryou, Yukiho is the only thing in life that he has left to live for, and vice versa. I don't even know if you can call it love. I feel like it's something that transcends love. Because of that "love", their lives weren't meaningless. Because in Byakuyakou, many people are lonely (Sasagaki, Matsura, Shinozuka, etc) but Yukiho and Ryou weren't lonely. I think that made them happier than many people, even though their lives couldn't be worse. I really feel my heart ache when thinking about the two of them, the only wish they have is to be able to love each other openly.
I also like how each of them likes someone else, but in the end, when Ryou dies Yukiho is the only image left in his mind. Compared to their "love", everything else fades, everything else is just a passing thought.
For me, I don't think the boy and girl fell in love the way two normal people fall in (romantic) love. They love each other because to Ryou, Yukiho is the only thing in life that he has left to live for, and vice versa. I don't even know if you can call it love.
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That is exactly how I feel as well.
Because of their childhood they just never learned what love is, they do not know this feeling at all.
Ryou's family was a joke, his mother openly cheated on her husband and his father was too selfish to care about it. Yukiho's mom was even worse.
When they both killed their parents, any feeling of love towards other people died within these kids at this point.
I think, it is a rather natural way for the human brain to deal with this situation. You just killed someone you were supposed to love (and maybe you even had a little bit of sympathy), how do you handle the horror of your action?
Well, your brain just turns numb to all those feelings.
Being able to love and feeling sympathy for others is not an innate feature of humans, they have to learn and experience it when they are young...
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject:
Byakuyakou will be made into a movie starring Horikita Maki as Yukiho. It will premiere in April 2011.
The filming has started and some people said, they have filmed the social dance scenes in the university.
Rumors says Ryoji will be acted by Kora Kengo. The director and the other cast will be announced around next week.
I'm currently reading the novel. In terms of appearance, I think Kitagawa Keiko fits perfectly with how Higashino Keigo described Yukiho's beauty. In the book, Yukiho was described to have the cold type, striking beauty, has this elegant aura and acts a like a rich lady (ojousama). She look almost like a French mannequin if only her eyes are bigger.
But in terms of character, Ayase Haruka acted the role brilliantly just as in the book. (I'm not sure if Kitagawa Keiko would be capable to act the role^^) Horikita Maki doesn't really have the looks and I'm not sure if she can act Yukiho well with the limited duration of the movie, but I hope she'd do just fine.
I'm currently on Chapter 8 (out of 13) and apparently each chapter is told from different characters' point of views. So it's like each chapter has different main character. But there is one link that connects them together. Those various characters are people who has interactions with Kirihara Ryoji and Karasawa Yukiho.
Ryoji's plot and Yukiho's plot might seem totally not related, but there are hints here and there, which connects and would make the readers pondering, does Ryoji and Yukiho know each other? In the end, we can only keep guessing about it, but these chapters never told the story from Ryoji and Yukiho's points of views so we'd never know, probably until the end.
Although I find the book very interesting to read so far, but I think I like the TBS drama more since it shows what happens behind the crimes, and to me, most memorable scenes are Ryoji-Yukiho touching dialogues. I still don't know how will that go in the novel, though. Maybe a flashback.
I've also just watched Baekyahaeng, the Korean movie adaptation. It was awful! The movie didn't do justice at all to the novel, and it left out so many critical details. The actress who plays Yukiho was awful too. The actor who plays Ryoji was okay, though. I don't even want to start with the plot changes they made.
I'm starting to feel worried about the Japanese movie. The novel is quite long and I think the TBS drama covered it pretty well, although they made up some new plots. The characters development were done very well too. I'm afraid the movie won't be able to show the characters development well due to the limited time.
Currently rewatching the drama too, as I'm reading the book. Yappari, Yamada-Ayase combi saikou~~!!! I didn't find their acting that great the first time I watched it, but after reading the novel, somehow I find their acting so brilliant. Yappari, TBS no Byakuyakou wa SAIKOU!
I read in 2ch, many people disagree about Horikita Maki being casted, and some said, Yukiho = Ayase Haruka, in their mind. Maki impressed me in ALWAYS, but other than that... not much. Hope she can impress me again. _________________
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:59 am Post subject:
yanie_chan wrote:
'm currently reading the novel.
Is that in Japanese or English or another language? I would love to read the novel in English.
I just finished this series last week. Yes, I'm a little slow. Easily one of the best dramas I've seen. Part of me wanted them to get away with it....
I was used to Ayase in fun, light dramas, but she was excellent in this drama. I loved that cold, steelly look she would get when planning someone's demise. This show reminded me why I like J-Dramas so much. _________________
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