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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:20 am Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
True.
It's not one of the better pics of Masami-chan, in all honesty... Her more typical 'do is more flattering.
Juri-chan looks like she's ready for a GAP commercial.
So, really. Juri's a beautiful woman. But I've never been a huge 'fan' of any actor or actress - I have my likes and dislikes. What possesses you to be such a fervent devotee?
I mean, I watched the movie you guys linked me yesterday about her trip to England and what I saw was a suprisingly average young twenty-something (with an admittedly different cultural background). Don't take this as any form of criticism - it is a curiousity. I've never understood fandom (and lots of other popular cultural responses) so to see such a level of devotion for an actress is not something I'm familiar with.
I will concede that her girl-next-door demeanor and attractiveness play a part, but she's really just another person. I guess I'm an ardent critic - sure she's pretty and a fine actress, but what makes her worthy of your amazing devotion?
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:37 am Post subject:
phlargo wrote:
So, really. Juri's a beautiful woman. But I've never been a huge 'fan' of any actor or actress - I have my likes and dislikes. What possesses you to be such a fervent devotee?
I mean, I watched the movie you guys linked me yesterday about her trip to England and what I saw was a suprisingly average young twenty-something (with an admittedly different cultural background). Don't take this as any form of criticism - it is a curiousity. I've never understood fandom (and lots of other popular cultural responses) so to see such a level of devotion for an actress is not something I'm familiar with.
I will concede that her girl-next-door demeanor and attractiveness play a part, but she's really just another person. I guess I'm an ardent critic - sure she's pretty and a fine actress, but what makes her worthy of your amazing devotion?
Actually I think you hit the nail on the head. In private (relatively speaking) Juri-sama is an average young twenty-something as you so rightly pointed out. Under the spotlight though, she transformed (very convincingly) into a brash high school student (Swing Girls), a sulky bum (Tsubasa no Oreta Tenshitachi), or a weird music college student (Nodame Cantabile). If it is, for me at least, how she is able to transform into all those personalities that turned me into a fan.
On fandom - I don't think going crazy over a public figure just because one happens to like his/her face is true appreciation of that person. As one of the older members of this forum I am agitated, and quite often lash out verbally, at what I called the BDFG troupe (Brain-Dead-Fan-Girls). In the case of Juri-sama I found something in her I appreciate, and my fascination over her builds upon that, not because she is pretty (which she is) or glamorous (which I don't think she is), or any superficial attributes.
In short, fans of Juri-sama such as Beem and myself try to point out the positive aspects of Juri-sama and hope others will come to appreciate her as we do. However fandom is NOT required to enjoy a drama, or movie. I, for one, would not think any less of you even if you are not as hard core as some of us are in following Juri-sama's career.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:46 am Post subject:
thtl wrote:
Actually I think you hit the nail on the head. In private (relatively speaking) Juri-sama is an average young twenty-something as you so rightly pointed out. Under the spotlight though, she transformed (very convincingly) into a brash high school student (Swing Girls), a sulky bum (Tsubasa no Oreta Tenshitachi), or a weird music college student (Nodame Cantabile). If it is, for me at least, how she is able to transform into all those personalities that turned me into a fan.
On fandom - I don't think going crazy over a public figure just because one happens to like his/her face is true appreciation of that person. As one of the older members of this forum I am agitated, and quite often lash out verbally, at what I called the BDFG troupe (Brain-Dead-Fan-Girls). In the case of Juri-sama I found something in her I appreciate, and my fascination over her builds upon that, not because she is pretty (which she is) or glamorous (which I don't think she is), or any superficial attributes.
In short, fans of Juri-sama such as Beem and myself try to point out the positive aspects of Juri-sama and hope others will come to appreciate her as we do. However fandom is NOT required to enjoy a drama, or movie. I, for one, would not think any less of you even if you are not as hard core as some of us are in following Juri-sama's career.
Well said. I think she's got a lot of potential and I'm reallly looking forward to checking out the new series she's going to be in. I actually posted a really good review of what I felt her acting strengths as Noda Megumi were in Nodame Cantabile in that thread:
"It's her peculiarities which sell her - her quirks and eccentricities. Her cute mannerisms and vocal style. And the character is fearless yet fearful in the same breath. She's so diverse and expected, again while unexpected. It's real as much as it is fake. She's over-the-top but is convincingly genuine."
And in the end, I think it was truly Tamaki Hiroshi who shined in that series. His role was far more difficult and emotional and subtle. I can't wait to see Heavenly Forest (which I downloaded on bmwracer's suggestion), even though it appears he has similar mannerisms. As much as I like Kevin Spacey.. he's often the same character and doesn't exhibit the diversity of a truly fine actor.
She may be the better actor and I think she has yet to take the shining role. I think I'll have to 'follow' her career now!
Actually I think you hit the nail on the head. In private (relatively speaking) Juri-sama is an average young twenty-something as you so rightly pointed out. Under the spotlight though, she transformed (very convincingly) into a brash high school student (Swing Girls), a sulky bum (Tsubasa no Oreta Tenshitachi), or a weird music college student (Nodame Cantabile). If it is, for me at least, how she is able to transform into all those personalities that turned me into a fan.
On fandom - I don't think going crazy over a public figure just because one happens to like his/her face is true appreciation of that person. As one of the older members of this forum I am agitated, and quite often lash out verbally, at what I called the BDFG troupe (Brain-Dead-Fan-Girls). In the case of Juri-sama I found something in her I appreciate, and my fascination over her builds upon that, not because she is pretty (which she is) or glamorous (which I don't think she is), or any superficial attributes.
In short, fans of Juri-sama such as Beem and myself try to point out the positive aspects of Juri-sama and hope others will come to appreciate her as we do. However fandom is NOT required to enjoy a drama, or movie. I, for one, would not think any less of you even if you are not as hard core as some of us are in following Juri-sama's career.
What he said.
Of the many J-actresses I've seen, Juri-chan is one of the very few who seems to really get into a character and totally embody it... And she seems to take risks, avoiding getting pigeon-holed into one particular character (though breaking away from Nodame might be a bit tough, seeing how beloved she is)...
And her appeal is that she is the girl-next-door: in interviews she's typically shy and nervous, looking away and fumbling with the hair around her eyes... Kagayaku Onna isn't particularly a glamorous or eye-popping bio of Juri-chan, but shows a surprisingly thoughtful and introspective young woman who's also quite adventurous and confident in her abilities...
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:40 am Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
What he said.
Of the many J-actresses I've seen, Juri-chan is one of the very few who seems to really get into a character and totally embody it... And she seems to take risks, avoiding getting pigeon-holed into one particular character (though breaking away from Nodame might be a bit tough, seeing how beloved she is)...
And her appeal is that she is the girl-next-door: in interviews she's typically shy and nervous, looking away and fumbling with the hair around her eyes... Kagayaku Onna isn't particularly a glamorous or eye-popping bio of Juri-chan, but shows a surprisingly thoughtful and introspective young woman who's also quite adventurous and confident in her abilities...
I actually thought about just that. What would you say if you were confronted with constant filming of your vacation? I mean, I'm not 20 anymore.. and I wasn't very much like a 20 year old at that time, but I think that I might feel a responsibility to make something bigger out of my experience. It was kind of a strange interview format.. something more akin to a documentary. I specifically paid attention to this aspect because I have a background in Anthropology and participant observation is always a delicate issue.
Her appeal is assured. It is, in fact, her genuineness that makes her beauty far beyond her averageness attractive. I'm definitely a personality far above beauty kinda guy. Now I've dated some beautiful ladies.. but it was not the reason that we ended up together - it was because they had something more to offer. She does have something I'm working to figure out. I tend to characterize it as a knowing innocense, but I'm not sure yet.
I agree whole-heartedly of your assessment of her devotion to her role and the embodiment of it she invested. This is, of course, a combination of direction and acting, but undoubtedly there is a lot of Juri in there.
Glamorous and eyepopping are rarely despositive for the true fan anyways! Beauty and glamor fade, sweetness only does if it isn't nurtured.
I do hope I'm not tredding on sensitive ground here - there's something about this phenomenon I'm really interested in.
I actually thought about just that. What would you say if you were confronted with constant filming of your vacation? I mean, I'm not 20 anymore.. and I wasn't very much like a 20 year old at that time, but I think that I might feel a responsibility to make something bigger out of my experience. It was kind of a strange interview format.. something more akin to a documentary. I specifically paid attention to this aspect because I have a background in Anthropology and participant observation is always a delicate issue.
Do you think that it was scripted in some way or form?
I thought about that, but I think it was more genuine than not. *biased opinion*
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She does have something I'm working to figure out. I tend to characterize it as a knowing innocense, but I'm not sure yet.
I don't think it can be put into words... Download and watch more videos of her: on and off camera... She can be introspective (Kagayaku Onna) and an surprisingly/wildly exuberant (the game show Tokyo Friend Park 2 is a great example)
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I do hope I'm not tredding on sensitive ground here - there's something about this phenomenon I'm really interested in.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, it's grown on me.
G-Mark says it's very Joan Jett...
I like short hair on women. That's about the shortest I like it. It's kind of like my ex's hair. Now all Juri needs is a few tattoos...or dyed yellow and black
It looks like she's taking on serious roles now, which is awesome. _________________
I like short hair on women. That's about the shortest I like it. It's kind of like my ex's hair. Now all Juri needs is a few tattoos...or dyed yellow and black
Itai... No tattoos.
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It looks like she's taking on serious roles now, which is awesome.
She has in a number of films, but not in any dramas that I can think of off hand... Maybe in Engine...
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
Nah.
No problem.
No, no, it wasn't scripted. But, if you put someone in front of a camera for a longer period of time, they get used to it... but they still adapt to it. My sister worked with conversation analysis for her Phd program filming families. It was clear that the camera had an effect. I don't have systemic scientific analysis, but I would posture that a young adult confronted with the understanding of constant filming would adapt to filming by portraying certain behavior. It was certainly open and honest - that's a clear quality that the film conveyed - she's far more open than many people her age.
It was actually filled with clues about her past and her personality(for he who bothers to look closely). But the words she spoke (or at least the translation (for which I see you held a role in - thank you!) thereof) were exactly what I would expect from a early 20s girl who was relatively naive and exploring somewhere beyond her home for the first time and being put on the spot to speak about it.
It's not about being genuine.. it's just that they are very common conclusions that someone may make in a similar circumstance. I think the idea of staying with a remote family on a vacation and integrating into their lives (as much as you can when you don't speak a common language) is admirable.. but it felt like what I would expect from a young lady who lost a parent in her teenage years who was going on a trip to discover something about herself.
I think those experiences are what make a good actor or actress - they draw on their unique history to emote and to emulate feelings - therein
lies a talent of interfacing internal emotion with external presentation.
There's no such thing as a video off camera - our behavior is highly dependant on the circumstances in which it is being viewed. Post-modernist thought goes so far as to explain that the quantum mechanics dictate that photons of light are actually affected by being watched.
I recognize the limitations of a translation and I don't claim to understand completely, but I do realize that it falls pretty closely in line with experiences I've had interviewing (not formally) her demographic. That being said, her responses were highly dependant on the questions being asked as well, so it was impossible to make any concrete conclusions or than that she fell into a certain mold.
What was especially interesting to me, and is often interesting about actors for which I see exceptional skills, is the averageness of their demeanor. I would assume they would have to be exceptionally adept in perceiving human emotion. I've seen a few who are, but most are surprisingly average
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject:
phlargo wrote:
No, no, it wasn't scripted. But, if you put someone in front of a camera for a longer period of time, they get used to it... but they still adapt to it. My sister worked with conversation analysis for her Phd program filming families. It was clear that the camera had an effect. I don't have systemic scientific analysis, but I would posture that a young adult confronted with the understanding of constant filming would adapt to filming by portraying certain behavior. It was certainly open and honest - that's a clear quality that the film conveyed - she's far more open than many people her age.
It was actually filled with clues about her past and her personality(for he who bothers to look closely). But the words she spoke (or at least the translation (for which I see you held a role in - thank you!) thereof) were exactly what I would expect from a early 20s girl who was relatively naive and exploring somewhere beyond her home for the first time and being put on the spot to speak about it.
It's not about being genuine.. it's just that they are very common conclusions that someone may make in a similar circumstance. I think the idea of staying with a remote family on a vacation and integrating into their lives (as much as you can when you don't speak a common language) is admirable.. but it felt like what I would expect from a young lady who lost a parent in her teenage years who was going on a trip to discover something about herself.
I think those experiences are what make a good actor or actress - they draw on their unique history to emote and to emulate feelings - therein
lies a talent of interfacing internal emotion with external presentation.
There's no such thing as a video off camera - our behavior is highly dependant on the circumstances in which it is being viewed. Post-modernist thought goes so far as to explain that the quantum mechanics dictate that photons of light are actually affected by being watched.
I recognize the limitations of a translation and I don't claim to understand completely, but I do realize that it falls pretty closely in line with experiences I've had interviewing (not formally) her demographic. That being said, her responses were highly dependant on the questions being asked as well, so it was impossible to make any concrete conclusions or than that she fell into a certain mold.
What was especially interesting to me, and is often interesting about actors for which I see exceptional skills, is the averageness of their demeanor. I would assume they would have to be exceptionally adept in perceiving human emotion. I've seen a few who are, but most are surprisingly average
Very nice piece with lots of insight. You may want to check this out:
What was especially interesting to me, and is often interesting about actors for which I see exceptional skills, is the averageness of their demeanor. I would assume they would have to be exceptionally adept in perceiving human emotion. I've seen a few who are, but most are surprisingly average
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
"Adept at perceiving human emotion?"
Why would actors be so adept?
Cause and effect. They are specifically trained to be perceptive. Or they become actors because they see something special in people that most others don't.
I have some acting (and voice acting) background in me and I definetly employ skills that I think many people don't - trying to extract the humaness out of peoples' behaviors.
Did I choose the law? Or did I choose anthropology? Or... were they things that I was predisposed to? Things that my psyche was uniquely predisposed to?
I'll check out that video - see if it offers something else
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