sweetie85 wrote:

I have only started this drama..one of the reason that I watched this drama is because one of my friend recommended it.Although I am only on episode two,I think the drama is pretty okay.It's average for me.

yeah...
i found it more average than not...
it was hard to get into, and the plot was inconsistant....

Erika Toda is the lead, and i thought she did well in Engine series, this one..she still has potential, but this role didn't suit her as well..

rdoll wrote:

Oh man. How many episodes that you actually watched in this drama. I think you stop at 3 or something. And the worst thing is, you think rating determined how good the drama is? Man, that's a joke. GTO is laughable, Long Vacation is so boring, Good Luck and Pride is too overrated, Orange Days - I stop at 8 cause the story drag like a snail with broken heel. The rating is high most likely because of the actor or actress, not because how good the story is. And yeah, I fully watched all the drama above except Orange Days(stop at 8) and Long Vacation(stop at the second last epissode - I don't want to torture myself for 1 more hour anyway). My point is, if you don't like it. Just shut your mouth up. There's a people who might enjoy it. I don't go to every single drama thread that i hate and talk bad about it. If you got nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

why don't you shut your mouth....you go on this ridiculous tirade about this weak ass dorama about a bunch of fuggin' bimbos in this demeaning portrayal of young women really...and then at the end in japanese say "die" if someone doesn't like it....

why do we have to put up with YOUR derogatory bullshit...if you're gonna dish it and tell ppl to die just because they are expressing displeasure regarding a show you have no license to fuggin' dictate to other ppl.....
moreover, i didn't make any reference to you personally and kept my criticism limited to the show...so chill with the ad hominem attacks....

as far as this show is concerned i have seen up to the fifth episode and its ridiculous plot and base script fully bear out why this show is one of the lowest rated shows in japan this year.

don't tell me what to say and not to say about a show...who the fuck made you boss?!?!? you have three measly posts on this board and you're ALREADY telling ppl to shut up....gimme a fuckin' break.

this is a forum for discussion. if ppl espoused your stupid premise of not airing any criticism of a particular show there would be no dialogue on this message baord. for all my criticism of this dorama i never attacked anybody personally for watching it.

so chill the fuck out.....

qilver wrote:

yeah... i found it more average than not... it was hard to get into, and the plot was inconsistant.... Erika Toda is the lead, and i thought she did well in Engine series, this one..she still has potential, but this role didn't suit her as well..

I have to agree with you..she is pretty in the show but her character..um..
I don't think she is that type of girl that asked her bestfriend to die..lol!

qilver wrote:

Erika Toda is the lead .. but this role didn't suit her as well..

i think she's a better actress than some her age and the confines of the role don't allow her to demonstrate that.

Tu_triky wrote:

i think she's a better actress than some her age and the confines of the role don't allow her to demonstrate that.

in Engine, she really showed her talents in acting...

qilver wrote:

in Engine, she really showed her talents in acting...

Toda Erika did quite well too in "Nobuta wo Produce" as a rather cool-headed teenager (contradiction in terms?).

qilver wrote:

in Engine, she really showed her talents in acting...

i agree....and in my exposition of her actiing potential i remember mentioning that to you a whille back after engine and nobuta wo produce i feel she falls flat in this lackluster role....not really her fault.

Tu_triky wrote:

i agree....and in my exposition of her actiing potential i remember mentioning that to you a whille back after engine and nobuta wo produce i feel she falls flat in this lackluster role....not really her fault.

yeah....probably a bad choice by her acting agent...

hopefully her next role will have her shine again, and with better ratings for the drama she is in.

qilver wrote:

yeah....probably a bad choice by her acting agent... hopefully her next role will have her shine again, and with better ratings for the drama she is in.

i think what doesn't help her is that she doesn't have a strong supporting cast...i felt the young kids in engine added more warmth to the story than the bevy of girls in gal circle...i mean at the end of the day you really don't feel engaged by those characters....they don't elicit a sense of attachment or emotion that makes you "care" about those characters....

i feel more for geronimo than i do for those bimbos...

Tu_triky wrote:

i think what doesn't help her is that she doesn't have a strong supporting cast...i felt the young kids in engine added more warmth to the story than the bevy of girls in gal circle...i mean at the end of the day you really don't feel engaged by those characters....they don't elicit a sense of attachment or emotion that makes you "care" about those characters.... i feel more for geronimo than i do for those bimbos...

yeah...i agree...the characters are very important to the story.

Tu_triky wrote:

i think what doesn't help her is that she doesn't have a strong supporting cast...i felt the young kids in engine added more warmth to the story than the bevy of girls in gal circle...i mean at the end of the day you really don't feel engaged by those characters....they don't elicit a sense of attachment or emotion that makes you "care" about those characters.... i feel more for geronimo than i do for those bimbos...

by the way, the guy who plays gerinomo is also in kisarazu cat's eye...he plays a character called ozzy...the town drunk.

Tu_triky wrote:

by the way, the guy who plays gerinomo is also in kisarazu cat's eye...he plays a character called ozzy...the town drunk.

yeah, i saw that...when checking out part of the first few eps.

Tu_triky wrote:

why don't you shut your mouth....you go on this ridiculous tirade about this weak ass dorama about a bunch of fuggin' bimbos in this demeaning portrayal of young women really...and then at the end in japanese say "die" if someone doesn't like it.... why do we have to put up with YOUR derogatory bullshit...if you're gonna dish it and tell ppl to die just because they are expressing displeasure regarding a show you have no license to fuggin' dictate to other ppl..... moreover, i didn't make any reference to you personally and kept my criticism limited to the show...so chill with the ad hominem attacks.... as far as this show is concerned i have seen up to the fifth episode and its ridiculous plot and base script fully bear out why this show is one of the lowest rated shows in japan this year. don't tell me what to say and not to say about a show...who the fuck made you boss?!?!? you have three measly posts on this board and you're ALREADY telling ppl to shut up....gimme a fuckin' break. this is a forum for discussion. if ppl espoused your stupid premise of not airing any criticism of a particular show there would be no dialogue on this message baord. for all my criticism of this dorama i never attacked anybody personally for watching it. so chill the fuck out.....

Hahahaha....Half of this thread is all your post about how you hate this drama. And I only post 2 times in this thread and you already tempered by it. How irony.

Go check this website and you can see the average rating of all the drama for this season, http://wi.55street.net/sichou.html . Eventhough Galcir is targetting on tennagers, the average rating is actually 12.73 which 5.51 below Top Caster(the highest rated drama this season). Galcir is not the worst rated drama this year. If you don't understand how tv rating works, read this article http://www.nielsenmedia.com/whatratingsmean/ . Next time do a research before saying something like lowest rating or something.

The things why I bother to post in this thread is because i don't think what you posted here is criticsm. I think you just throwing crap at this drama. Just beacuse you don't like it, you persuade others to stop watching it either. And saying things like ridiculous plot and stupid script or something like that. How much do you understand about the word "plot" itself. And how do you determined that it has a bad script. Just because it has Indians, Cowboy, Para-Para, Ganguro, Yaguchi Mari, a cactuar that hit someone who lie, somehow this drama turns bad? You can't judge a drama by the main story. Drama is all about "Character Development". Yes, I have to agree that this drama has a ridiculous story, and they add a lot of cheesy script in it. But that doesn't stop it to be good drama. And please remember that this is japan we're talking about. Their story are mostly ridicolous. ex. Love Complex, Saiyuuki, Takeshi Miike's movie.

And I also agree that this only an average drama. But compare to other dramas this season, this is one of the funniest. I am currently watching attention please, kurosagi, teruteru ashita, BusuKoi, Oishi Propose, and Primadam.

So stop throwing crap at this drama. There's a thin line between criticsm and throwing shit. I just hope that you are academically intelligent enough to understand that.

And to others who want to try this drama. Don't hesitate to download. You can always stop at 1st episode if you hate.

rdoll wrote:

Hahahaha....Half of this thread is all your post about how you hate this drama. And I only post 2 times in this thread and you already tempered by it. How irony. Go check this website and you can see the average rating of all the drama for this season, http://wi.55street.net/sichou.html . Eventhough Galcir is targetting on tennagers, the average rating is actually 12.73 which 5.51 below Top Caster(the highest rated drama this season). Galcir is not the worst rated drama this year. If you don't understand how tv rating works, read this article http://www.nielsenmedia.com/whatratingsmean/ . Next time do a research before saying something like lowest rating or something. The things why I bother to post in this thread is because i don't think what you posted here is criticsm. I think you just throwing crap at this drama. Just beacuse you don't like it, you persuade others to stop watching it either. And saying things like ridiculous plot and stupid script or something like that. How much do you understand about the word "plot" itself. And how do you determined that it has a bad script. Just because it has Indians, Cowboy, Para-Para, Ganguro, Yaguchi Mari, a cactuar that hit someone who lie, somehow this drama turns bad? You can't judge a drama by the main story. Drama is all about "Character Development". Yes, I have to agree that this drama has a ridiculous story, and they add a lot of cheesy script in it. But that doesn't stop it to be good drama. And please remember that this is japan we're talking about. Their story are mostly ridicolous. ex. Love Complex, Saiyuuki, Takeshi Miike's movie. And I also agree that this only an average drama. But compare to other dramas this season, this is one of the funniest. I am currently watching attention please, kurosagi, teruteru ashita, BusuKoi, Oishi Propose, and Primadam. So stop throwing crap at this drama. There's a thin line between criticsm and throwing shit. I just hope that you are academically intelligent enough to understand that. And to others who want to try this drama. Don't hesitate to download. You can always stop at 1st episode if you hate.

well you obviously don't understand the word criticism and your grasp of semantics is about as weak as your ability to write and rebut my comments...i provided a critique of the show with an analysis of why it fails in many respects....that's not throwing crap as you so eloquently put it....by the way i don't need to throw crap...this show IS crap.


for one i never said it was the worst rated dorama i said it was the one of the lowest rated doramas so don't put words in my mouth...because i never said that. in any case, an average rating of roughly 12 percent is nothing to boast about and definitely places this dorama in poor standing vis-a-vis some of the more successful doramas that have aired on television.

story? this dorama is virtually devoid of a story....if you can't see that well then your capacity to deconstruct this poor exercise in entertainment is lacking. you seriously think this dorama excels in terms of character development?????? you must be joking! the transformation is so trite and hackneyed a 15 year old could have conjured up the script. example...a girl wants to ACTUALLY kill herself because a bunch of dumb girls make fun of her....then she's miraculously saved and comes to the light...that's character development?

please don't decry other doramas if you seriously believe this dorama stands on character development. that is an absolute farce. you are uttering platitudes without any support or reason.

i know ppl on this board who are watching this show and i never told them to stop watching it in any case....so again don't try to twist what i said...

even a entertainment journalist FROM the Japanese newspaper the Daily Yomiuri totally bashed this lame show. just watch it and please don't attempt to defend this bad show to me....if you think you can intelligently defend this show on the merits, either you have nothing to judge it against or have had an extremely limited universe of experience
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From Daily Yomiuri, April 20, 2006, Wm. Penn, Televiews]:

Help! We're being attacked by the Lone Ranger in a Superman cape, a hang-gliding Arizona cowboy in designer sunglasses named Shinnosuke (Naohito Fujiki) and a Japanese guy masquerading as an Indian named Geronimo III.
Worse yet, they are all encircled by a dastardly 500-member Shibuya gang of arm-fluttering para-para dancers calling themselves Angel Heart. (Former Morning Musume member Mari Yaguchi can be spotted hanging out with this crowd.) This small-screen potpourri of platitudes, stereotypes and strange silliness calls itself Galcir (Saturdays, 9 p.m., NTV network). Galcir is short for "gals' circle." When they are not "dancing," the members spend their time fighting, snacking, bullying each other via cell phone, and lounging on the floor of local stores. They don't shoplift stuff. They sit right there and use it in front of the owners, adults who feel powerless to stop them. As one of the shopkeepers says with a moan: "We've been taken over by aliens. In the good old days, this used to be an adults' town." Yes, and in the good old days continuing series also had to exhibit a minimal level of believable idiocy before getting into prime time.
As Galcir shows, anything goes nowadays, and there do not seem to be any adults in the TV industry to stop it. I hesitate to say this--because whenever I do something even more abominable shows up on screen the next week--but Galcir earns a spot on my Top 5 list of all-time disgustingly ridiculous dramas. The producers prefer to call it "seishun [youth] comedy."
Oh yes, the storyline. There is one. Shinnosuke has come to Shibuya in search of a 17-year old girl called Imoko, whom Geronimo III wants to see before he dies. Back in Arizona, this modern-day Geronimo sits coughing in his tepee with darling little Momo, an 8-year-old in buckskins, by his side. When she addresses him in English, he admonishes her to speak Japanese. What strange never-never land do they all inhabit? Well, the Japanese cowboy lived in Tokyo until he was 7 and then somehow turned up in the Arizona desert where he has learned to lasso, cook out, sleep in a tepee, hang glide and dig holes to trap both food and para-para dancers, but he has not had time to master either language.
The opening scene has him being dropped out of what appears to be an old U.S. military plane. He hang glides over the metropolis until he hits Shibuya and sets up camp in a park where the local bicycle cop tries to evict him. His green hang glider comes in handy later. When one of the Angel Heart girls burns down the tepee, he just cuts up the glider, weaves it into a hammock and installs it in the apartment of the kind-hearted cop, who wakes to find meat cooking over an open fire in his six-mat home. The cop desperately puts out the fire by squirting it with ketchup. Voila! We have grilled meat with barbecue sauce. If this were all just designed to be pure silliness, it might be labeled camp. What is truly annoying is the scriptwriter's attempt to write in little parables for viewers. Shinnosuke asks the cop: "Do you want to protect people or rules?" The policeman ponders. Voila again--an awakening. The para-para girls carry out a concerted "drop dead" ijime bullying campaign by cell phone, driving one girl to contemplate suicide on a high rooftop. (Bullying cell phones...is there any role those little rectangular, multitalented characters, can't play?)
When one of the perpetrators accidentally topples off the building instead of the intended victim, Shinnosuke lassos her in the nick of time but lets her dangle six stories up until she learns what "drop dead" feels like. Just when you think the whole thing could get no sillier, little Momo herself hang glides in from Arizona. No stars for this one but you will feel like you are punch-drunk and seeing stars if you try to sit through an entire episode of Galcir. I certainly did.

Yes, it's formulaic and shallow and very very silly. There's a valiant attempt somewhere in there to put a new spin on an old formula but... no. And Erika Toda needs to put some weight back on before she disappears completely. Being so thin doesn't suit her at all.

pinkfrink wrote:

Yes, it's formulaic and shallow and very very silly. There's a valiant attempt somewhere in there to put a new spin on an old formula but... no. And Erika Toda needs to put some weight back on before she disappears completely. Being so thin doesn't suit her at all.

interesting that someone else, namely pinkfrink, noticed how skinny erika toda is...i mentioned that early on...she's lost a lot of weight since Engine and Nobuta....yes, it doesn't look becoming on her.

Tu_triky wrote:

story? this dorama is virtually devoid of a story....if you can't see that well then your capacity to deconstruct this poor exercise in entertainment is lacking. you seriously think this dorama excels in terms of character development?????? you must be joking! the transformation is so trite and hackneyed a 15 year old could have conjured up the script. example...a girl wants to ACTUALLY kill herself because a bunch of dumb girls make fun of her....then she's miraculously saved and comes to the light...that's character development?

????? Seems like you don't understand what "character development" means. Man, arguing with someone who has no experience on writing is not easy. Click this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_development if you want to know what 'character development' means. But I don't think you are intelligent enough to understand what it says, anyway. And judging from the example that you gave, I think it useless to continue this conversation anymore. You don't understand about the meaning of words plot, character development, theme, culture reference or anything related to a drama or movie. It's like talking to 7 years old boy who thinks that Santa is exist.

Anyway, this is my last post. 4 post is more than enough to me. If you want to continue talking shit about this drama, who cares. It's not like anyone who will take seriously an opinion from someone who didn't even know what character development means.

One last word. Anata wa Uzai...... Shinu.

rdoll wrote:

????? Seems like you don't understand what "character development" means. Man, arguing with someone who has no experience on writing is not easy. Click this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_development if you want to know what 'character development' means. But I don't think you are intelligent enough to understand what it says, anyway. And judging from the example that you gave, I think it useless to continue this conversation anymore. You don't understand about the meaning of words plot, character development, theme, culture reference or anything related to a drama or movie. It's like talking to 7 years old boy who thinks that Santa is exist. Anyway, this is my last post. 4 post is more than enough to me. If you want to continue talking shit about this drama, who cares. It's not like anyone who will take seriously an opinion from someone who didn't even know what character development means. One last word. Anata wa Uzai...... Shinu.

Sorry, i had to jump in, but using Triky's example, that isn't real Character Development. IF you are a manga/novel/fiction/non-fiction/sci-fi/horror/mystery writer then


using jargon without backing it up with examples is worthless (please use [spoiler] tags if needed). It's like talking to a 5 yr old who learned a word and is now using it to sound smarter.

I dont expect a response, but you should hear a 3rd person view of all this.

rdoll wrote:

Anyway, this is my last post. 4 post is more than enough to me. If you want to continue talking shit about this drama, who cares. It's not like anyone who will take seriously an opinion from someone who didn't even know what character development means. One last word. Anata wa Uzai...... Shinu.

rdoll, not to be picking sides or anything, but plz don't let a couple of post be a determiner of whether to return to the forum or not. I have no opinion of the drama you guys are talking about b/c i haven't seen it, but i also think that you do have some insight on whatever you are talking about (again, it doesn't matter what i think).

Tu_tricky and krim are avid jdorama-ers and as such all of you have strong opinions of various dramas which is a good thing, but that doesn't mean that you all are going to agree ALL the time, which makes this place a good place to formulate an opinion on a drama you want to potentially watch. I guess you guys are just going to have to "agree to disagree" on the content of drama.

(BTW i think the last sentence you want to say is urusai...)

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rdoll wrote:

????? Seems like you don't understand what "character development" to means. Man, arguing with someone who has no experience on writing is not easy. Click this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_development if you want to know what 'character development' means. But I don't think you are intelligent enough to understand what it says, anyway. And judging from the example that you gave, I think it useless to continue this conversation anymore. You don't understand about the meaning of words plot, character development, theme, culture reference or anything related to a drama or movie. It's like talking to 7 years old boy who thinks that Santa is exist. Anyway, this is my last post. 4 post is more than enough to me. If you want to continue talking shit about this drama, who cares. It's not like anyone who will take seriously an opinion from someone who didn't even know what character development means. One last word. Anata wa Uzai...... Shinu.

given the thickness of your skull it's not surprising there's nothing in it...i don't need to refer to a fuckin' wiki to understand what character development is...and you keep harping on it as if it's the saving grace of this dorama which is as absurd as your persistent rhetoric, one that conveniently ignores every other point i marshalled in my last post.

and don't even begin to try to hurl insults at me which i have continued to avoid until now....you're a dumbass who can't even critically analyze anything...you claim i don't understand what plot is and you aspire to defend this crappy ass show on that score? you are obviously poorly educated which is evidenced by your weak writing and weaker brain.

and how the fuck do you know i have no experience writing? where do you even come off pulling shiet like that out of your ass....trust me my academic achievements in writing surpass yours by a wide margin as illustrated by your cobbled over reliance on the words "character development" and your crappy grammar.

the only thing useless here is your failed attempt to engage me on this subject and trying to rattle me with your feeble attempts at sophistry...a term which i doubt you even understand, given your level of diction.

you're right about writing enough...it seems you have written five posts on this message board.....and that's five message posts too many. if you think anybody gives two shits about your opinion you are sorely mistaken...go back to your dark hole...you won't be missed..

oh yeah, last four words (unlike you i can at least count when ending my posts). YOU ARE FUCKIN DUMB.