i still dont understand why the 16 mb file doesnt play all the way (only 10 seconds right)..
wouldn't the 2+ gb file be the only one that is affected?
since linux has a 2 gb file limit size...files larger than 2 gb wouldn't play properly, deshou???

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For example, I burned several MPEG-2 files onto a DVD+R ISO formatted disc using VERITAS RecordNow DX. Under Windows XP Pro, the files show as: File_01.mpg – 2.42GB (MPEG-2 720x480) File_02.mpg – 49.7MB (MPEG-2 480x480) File_03.mpg – 383MB (MPEG-2 480x480) File_04.mpg – 391MB (MPEG-2 480x480) File_05.mpg – 391MB (MPEG-2 480x480) However, when I play the same exact disc in the LVD-2002, it displays the files sizes as: File_01.mpg – 4MB File_02.mpg – 1MB File_03.mpg – 16MB File_04.mpg – 7MB File_05.mpg – 7MB

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amrayu wrote:

i still dont understand why the 16 mb file doesnt play all the way (only 10 seconds right).. wouldn't the 2+ gb file be the only one that is affected? since linux has a 2 gb file limit size...files larger than 2 gb wouldn't play properly, deshou???

Yeah, bmwracer and I were thinking the same thing. The only thing I can think of is that the 2GB limit affects the entire volume and not just the file itself.

--- groink

More LVD-2002 findings...

It is confirmed... ANY Linux-based DVD player supports ISO-9660 level 2 (and most PC-based Linux installs). Found this out on DVDRHelp.com. Other makes/models of Linux-based players are having similar problems. At least on the LVD-2002 model, having one 2GB+ file in the mix screws up the entire disc, however it's still playable in any Windows based PC. Mac OS X users prior to 10.2 may also have trouble (Jaguar overcame the 2GB limit). The fix for me is to re-burn the DVD-R to leave out the 2GB file, and all the other files play just fine. Also, I'll need to split the 2GB+ files into smaller chunks, which isn't that much of a big deal for me. To do this, I use Easy Video Splitter, which is commercial-ware. This tool splits AVI and MPEG-1/MPEG-2 files.

The trouble is that most DVD players that support DivX, XviD, etc. are based on some for of UNIX. That's basically how manufacturers are able to add these capabilities to their players. And, it also explains why mainstream brands (SONY, Panasonic, JVC, etc.) do not. These company do not want to conform to something like Linux, and instead develop their players more of an embedded system than something open-source based like the LITEON line. So this may be something to consider when shopping around, unless you find information from other users who have tested a make/model of player you're interested in.

Other problems I've found:

On one DVD-R ISO disc, I have 17 media files, 16 of them are MPEG-1 and one is DivX 5/MP3. All the files are under 500MB each. When inserted into the LVD-2002, ONLY the DivX file is displayed in the file list, the other 16 files can't been seen. I tried reading other ISO discs with a mixture of MPEG and AVI files, and they read just fine. I'm wondering what makes this one disc unique? It could be the quantity of files on the disc (28 files, including TXT files) that triggered something funky in the LVD-2002. However, having these many files is pretty unusual for my collection, so I'm not freaking out over it.

One movie file the LVD-2002 gagged on is News Woman (News no onna):

http://jdorama.com/drama_279.htm

The captures in this series have never worked for me since day one... I downloaded it off the newsgroups, and I've never been able to play it using Windows Media Player 9. Therefore, it's not a problem with the LVD-2002 but rather whoever ripped this series should be shot.

As with other *nix-based OS's, the sorting of filenames are strange. I stuck in one DVD ISO disc and the files came up in this order:

SMAPxSMAP 2003-07-14.avi
SMAPxSMAP 2003-08-25.avi
SMAPxSMAP 2003-10-06.avi
SmapxSmap 2003-06-02.avi

If you look at it carefully, the file dated 06-02 should actually be on top. The case (upper or lower) of the letters affect the sorting order. "SMAPxSMAP" and "SmapxSmap" are visually the same, but an upper case M comes before a lower case "m". It's just one of those things!!!! BTW, all of my SMAPxSMAP stuff reads just fine!!!

Well, that's it for now!!!!
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groink wrote:

More LVD-2002 findings... It is confirmed... ANY Linux-based DVD player supports ISO-9660 level 2 (and most PC-based Linux installs). Found this out on DVDRHelp.com. Other makes/models of Linux-based players are having similar problems. At least on the LVD-2002 model, having one 2GB+ file in the mix screws up the entire disc, however it's still playable in any Windows based PC. Mac OS X users prior to 10.2 may also have trouble (Jaguar overcame the 2GB limit). The fix for me is to re-burn the DVD-R to leave out the 2GB file, and all the other files play just fine. Also, I'll need to split the 2GB+ files into smaller chunks, which isn't that much of a big deal for me. To do this, I use Easy Video Splitter, which is commercial-ware. This tool splits AVI and MPEG-1/MPEG-2 files. The trouble is that most DVD players that support DivX, XviD, etc. are based on some for of UNIX. That's basically how manufacturers are able to add these capabilities to their players. And, it also explains why mainstream brands (SONY, Panasonic, JVC, etc.) do not. These company do not want to conform to something like Linux, and instead develop their players more of an embedded system than something open-source based like the LITEON line. So this may be something to consider when shopping around, unless you find information from other users who have tested a make/model of player you're interested in. Other problems I've found: On one DVD-R ISO disc, I have 17 media files, 16 of them are MPEG-1 and one is DivX 5/MP3. All the files are under 500MB each. When inserted into the LVD-2002, ONLY the DivX file is displayed in the file list, the other 16 files can't been seen. I tried reading other ISO discs with a mixture of MPEG and AVI files, and they read just fine. I'm wondering what makes this one disc unique? It could be the quantity of files on the disc (28 files, including TXT files) that triggered something funky in the LVD-2002. However, having these many files is pretty unusual for my collection, so I'm not freaking out over it. One movie file the LVD-2002 gagged on is News Woman (News no onna): http://jdorama.com/drama_279.htm The captures in this series have never worked for me since day one... I downloaded it off the newsgroups, and I've never been able to play it using Windows Media Player 9. Therefore, it's not a problem with the LVD-2002 but rather whoever ripped this series should be shot. As with other *nix-based OS's, the sorting of filenames are strange. I stuck in one DVD ISO disc and the files came up in this order: SMAPxSMAP 2003-07-14.avi SMAPxSMAP 2003-08-25.avi SMAPxSMAP 2003-10-06.avi SmapxSmap 2003-06-02.avi If you look at it carefully, the file dated 06-02 should actually be on top. The case (upper or lower) of the letters affect the sorting order. "SMAPxSMAP" and "SmapxSmap" are visually the same, but an upper case M comes before a lower case "m". It's just one of those things!!!! BTW, all of my SMAPxSMAP stuff reads just fine!!!

Great summation there, Groink... Heh, this is turning into a LVD2002 users thread...

Funny you should mention the SMAP discs: I bought a SMAP VCD from someone on eBay and the darn fool thing won't play on my PC, my work PC, or my DVD player, but when I put it in my brother's newer player (i year old) it plays... Any explanation for that? None of the PCs that I've tried it on even recognize the disc... Formatted incorrectly maybe or something like that?

bmwracer wrote:

Great summation there, Groink... Heh, this is turning into a LVD2002 users thread... Funny you should mention the SMAP discs: I bought a SMAP VCD from someone on eBay and the darn fool thing won't play on my PC, my work PC, or my DVD player, but when I put it in my brother's newer player (i year old) it plays... Any explanation for that? None of the PCs that I've tried it on even recognize the disc... Formatted incorrectly maybe or something like that?

Well, the thread is serving its purpose, sort of like AA's 12-step thingie:

1) Searching for the make/model

2) Researching the top recommendations

3) Contemplating the final decision

4) Purchase

5) Post-purchase issues

What's the 6th step going to be? Konk my head on my desk??? Naaaaah... I'm still very happy with the unit. I'm now aware of its technical limitations, and I have work-arounds for virtually all of them. That more likely shows my geeky side, because most geeks cope with situations like this, while your average Joe Consumer would have thrown the unit out the window by now.

SMAPXSMAP VCD... Try copying the entire VCD to a new piece of media, burning at a slower speed like 8X. I did that with my BoA VCD for the LVD-2002 to play it. Lemme guess on the eBay copies... The media brand of the CD-Rs you received is either ORIDATA or DURABRAND. At least the ones I received were, though everything I've bought up to now play just fine.

A few years ago, I had almost the identical situation you're experiencing. When I was working on a Y2K project, my contractor kept sending me what I thought were bogus CD-Rs because nothing in my office could read them. Then, for the heck of it, I tried it in my crappy old 1988 Macintosh IIci with a 2-speed CD-ROM drive that requires the caddy. And it read them!!!!! The eventual cause of the problem is that the contractor wasn't "closing" the CD-R properly (I fricking hate those drag-n-drop CD-R software), and anything Windows-based (we were all running Win95 at the time) would gag on it because we didn't have the needed UDF drivers installed. However, the old Macintosh's Mac OS 7.1 could read it just fine. Sometimes it pays to keep your old crap (I even still have my Apple IIgs up and running).

--- groink

groink wrote:

SMAPXSMAP VCD... Try copying the entire VCD to a new piece of media, burning at a slower speed like 8X. I did that with my BoA VCD for the LVD-2002 to play it. Lemme guess on the eBay copies... The media brand of the CD-Rs you received is either ORIDATA or DURABRAND. At least the ones I received were, though everything I've bought up to now play just fine.

I'll try that when I get home. I'll also find out who the CDR mfr is. Thing is, since my drives can't even read the disc, will the copy process even work? Perplexing.

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A few years ago, I had almost the identical situation you're experiencing. When I was working on a Y2K project, my contractor kept sending me what I thought were bogus CD-Rs because nothing in my office could read them. Then, for the heck of it, I tried it in my crappy old 1988 Macintosh IIci with a 2-speed CD-ROM drive that requires the caddy. And it read them!!!!! The eventual cause of the problem is that the contractor wasn't "closing" the CD-R properly (I fricking hate those drag-n-drop CD-R software), and anything Windows-based (we were all running Win95 at the time) would gag on it because we didn't have the needed UDF drivers installed. However, the old Macintosh's Mac OS 7.1 could read it just fine. Sometimes it pays to keep your old crap (I even still have my Apple IIgs up and running).

A good idea, but I don't want my house to look like a landfill full of PCs...

What you could do is bring the CD-R to a PC that can read the VCD and see if you can burn it there (assuming that PC has a burner). If not, oh well... One thing to consider, though... If the incompatibility is a "directory issue" issue with the disc, such as the issue with the ISO-9660 level 2 on the LVD-2002, any of your burners should be able to copy it, regardless seeing disc copying is a bit-by-bit copy process. However, if it's a matter of media compatibility, then you have a SOL issue.

bmwracer wrote:

A good idea, but I don't want my house to look like a landfill full of PCs...

Actually, I didn't mean for it to be an idea to roll with hahahhaa!!!! I look at the situation more as a downfall for me. I still have a 10x5x10 storage locker filled with my previous hobby, which was collecting old Apple computers:

http://www.macgeek.org/museum/

Every now and then, I drive around the industrial areas of Honolulu looking for garbage dumpsters. When I find them, I fill my car up with the old computers, then dump them. At least today I can walk around in my bedroom and practice my golf swing. About 2 months ago, I had to hop around.

--- groink

groink wrote:

What you could do is bring the CD-R to a PC that can read the VCD and see if you can burn it there (assuming that PC has a burner). If not, oh well...

That's the problem: I haven't found one yet.

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One thing to consider, though... If the incompatibility is a "directory issue" issue with the disc, such as the issue with the ISO-9660 level 2 on the LVD-2002, any of your burners should be able to copy it, regardless seeing disc copying is a bit-by-bit copy process. However, if it's a matter of media compatibility, then you have a SOL issue.

Worth a try, I suppose. Nothing to lose.

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Actually, I didn't mean for it to be an idea to roll with hahahhaa!!!! I look at the situation more as a downfall for me. I still have a 10x5x10 storage locker filled with my previous hobby, which was collecting old Apple computers: http://www.macgeek.org/museum/

Yow! I remember playing around with those... 16K of RAM... Ooooooh.

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. About 2 months ago, I had to hop around.

Good exercise. An Apple obstacle course.

This is strange: I made a pricing and availability inquiry to mypcgoodies.com and they said LiteOn was discontinuing the LVD2002... WTF??

Yikes! Just got a confirmation e-mail from LiteOn's US headquarters in Milpitas, CA that the LVD2002 is being discontinued. No word on a replacement yet.

Call me a bandwagoner, 'cause I followed Amrayu and Groink's lead and broke down and bought the LVD2002 from newegg.com...

After goofing around with the player for the last four hours or so, here are some preliminary findings and observations:

1. It played my previously unplayable (Sony DVD player and PC) SMAPXSMAP VCD flawlessly.

2. The simple remote hack allowed the player to play my two Region 2 DVDs: Gun Crazy-Episode 1 and Digi+Kishin.

3. Tried two regular DVDs (Region 1), The Italian Job and Kiki's Delivery Service and they worked just fine.

4. Played Seikei Bijin VCDs with no problems.

5. Oddly, it wouldn't play disc one of my Pretty Girls VCD set. I kept getting a "ISO disc" message on the front panel display. I'll have to check the LiteOn web site for a possible explanation, since the manual doesn't explain the message.

6. The player hiccupped on a couple of occasions: When I inserted and tried to play The Italian Job the first time, there was no picture and garbled sound. Opening and closing the DVD tray corrected the problem. Similarly, the Digi+Kishin disc showed the same problem, but the action of opening and closing the tray fixed it. I'll have to inquire with LiteOn on this problem as well.

Aside from those slight problems, things look pretty good. Now I'll have to hook it up to my A/V receiver and Sony TV for some more critical testing...

bmwracer wrote:

Call me a bandwagoner, 'cause I followed Amrayu and Groink's lead and broke down and bought the LVD2002 from newegg.com...

Congradulations!!!!!! Yeah, the read/scramble symptoms you're seeing is somewhat common among the LITEON LVD-2001 and 2002 users, from what I've gathered on DVDRHelp.com.

One other really strange thing... Fast forward or reverse works fine on DVDs, but it's documented that you can only fast/reverse in 1-minute segments when watching ISO discs. *shrug*

--- groink

groink wrote:

Congradulations!!!!!! Yeah, the read/scramble symptoms you're seeing is somewhat common among the LITEON LVD-2001 and 2002 users, from what I've gathered on DVDRHelp.com. One other really strange thing... Fast forward or reverse works fine on DVDs, but it's documented that you can only fast/reverse in 1-minute segments when watching ISO discs. *shrug*

ISO discs? Do you know why I get that "ISO disc" message for one of my VCDs?

bmwracer wrote:

ISO discs? Do you know why I get that "ISO disc" message for one of my VCDs?

That's a weird one. If you really like that VCD set, I'd use ISOBuster to extract the DAT file(s), then re-burn them to VCD. That'll re-format the disc properly. Instructions on how to do this are here:

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/141726.php

--- groink

groink wrote:

That's a weird one. If you really like that VCD set, I'd use ISOBuster to extract the DAT file(s), then re-burn them to VCD. That's re-format the disc properly. Instructions on how to do this are here: http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/141726.php

I'll check it out. As always, you're a wealth of info.

bmwracer: finally got one?? lol
as for the problem with the italian job dvd, that hasn't happened to me yet..
despite its minor problems, i dont have a single complaint about the player.
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amrayu wrote:

bmwracer: finally got one?? lol as for the problem with the italian job dvd, that hasn't happened to me yet.. despite its minor problems, i dont have a single complaint about the player.

Heh. I don't think the problem is localized to The Italian Job DVD... I think it's just coincidence... More testing for the next couple of days...

After re-reading the review from whiningdog.net, it turns out that the reviewer had the same problem I'm having with a disc or two, and the same solution: eject and reinsert the disc... That sorta makes me feel better: I'm not the only one with this minor little bug...

bmwracer wrote:

After re-reading the review from whiningdog.net, it turns out that the reviewer had the same problem I'm having with a disc or two, and the same solution: eject and reinsert the disc... That sorta makes me feel better: I'm not the only one with this minor little bug...

It's just one of those things... You must remember that the LVD-2002 is basically a PC but without the monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

With that thought in mind... I've always argued that today's DVD-ROM and CDRW drives are just too picky when it comes to reading media created by drives other than itself. You may see my comments about this matter on this and other threads. I still believe these drives are reading too damn fast!!!!! I know, I know... That's what the consumer wants. If the CD-Rs were written a lot better, you wouldn't have these read problems. It's all a matter of timing - which is why ejecting/re-inserting works. It's this reason why I chose the SONY DRU-510A drive over the faster drives... It has a deeper burn, while at the same time it seems to read most media a lot better, especially my older CD-Rs (my oldest BTW is about 8 years old).

It also helps to burn your stuff at slower speeds... Instead of burning at 40x, try burning at 24x or 16x for better compatibility with your other friends/traders.

--- groink

groink wrote:

It's just one of those things... You must remember that the LVD-2002 is basically a PC but without the monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

Yes it is.

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With that thought in mind... I've always argued that today's DVD-ROM and CDRW drives are just too picky when it comes to reading media created by drives other than itself. You may see my comments about this matter on this and other threads. I still believe these drives are reading too damn fast!!!!! I know, I know... That's what the consumer wants. If the CD-Rs were written a lot better, you wouldn't have these read problems. It's all a matter of timing - which is why ejecting/re-inserting works. It's this reason why I chose the SONY DRU-510A drive over the faster drives... It has a deeper burn, while at the same time it seems to read most media a lot better, especially my older CD-Rs (my oldest BTW is about 8 years old). It also helps to burn your stuff at slower speeds... Instead of burning at 40x, try burning at 24x or 16x for better compatibility with your other friends/traders.

Good to know. But first I have to buy a DVD burner. And a video capture card.