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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject:
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yes yes... tat last scene
wonder wat does it mean ne?
my 2 cents is that the scriptwriter wanna show the 'humanistic' side of Takayanagi; he luvs his father & still carries the baggage that came with his father's bankruptcy: loss of their home, loss of his happy childhood (he was 11 or 12 when this happened); & loss of his father eventually.
The bitterness of these memories gives him his spitefulness, his ruthlessness & no-mercy-outlook when running his business.
Rem the conversation in the confrontation scene: he thinks the reason why Tojo fails is because he's the incompetent underdog; he shd blame no-one for his own failure...wow, so cold-hearted
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& also the part when Nanami walks into his ofiz when he's on the phone & he reveal his true plan ...
u know wat... i think Nanami still hve feelings for him ne
yes, it seems only Nanami understands the real Takayanagi...I really wanna see them together in the end
rem the scene in which Takayanagi suddenly appears when Nanami is working alone in the office & he asks a funny question about his death/funeral with no-one by his side(am I rite?); Nanami asks him to forget about those things & gives a very understanding expression!
wow, I wanna be Nanami at that point & run to Takayanagi, then give him a big hehehe
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oh ya, & also the part where Shimao imitates Takayanagi, tat one is really very funny
I have been laughing so hard about Shimao's imitation since I saw the trailer at the end of epi5...why does Takayanagi always address Shimao using his full name?
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u know wat, when i saw the funeral scene... i m thinking of "Pure".. looks quite the same eh
yaloh, same sentiments here...why does Toru always suffer? Demo ne, I luv the sorrowful Takayanagi best; then the very confident businessman (strangely enuf, I luv his cocksureness about everything; very *man* ); then the Mr Nice Guy...
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& thank god, they cut down Kaori's lines drastically
my 2 cents is that the scriptwriter wanna show the 'humanistic' side of Takayanagi; he luvs his father & still carries the baggage that came with his father's bankruptcy: loss of their home, loss of his happy childhood (he was 11 or 12 when this happened); & loss of his father eventually.
The bitterness of these memories gives him his spitefulness, his ruthlessness & no-mercy-outlook when running his business.
*nod head*.. human side eh...
he probably watch tat film coz he's wondering whether wat he has done is correct?
as to his feelings towards his father... somehow i think its rather complex... luv & hate relationship
rem the confrontation scene btw Shimao & Takayanagi, Shimao mentioned Takayanagi's dad & he said tat he doesnt recognise (? ���͕��e��F�߂��Ⴂ�Ȃ�) his dad, he thinks tat his dad is a loser, & both his dad & Tojo r bizman with no abilities
Nanami also mentioned tat the character of Takayanagi's dad is probably similar to tat of Shimao ...
1 thing for sure... he definitely does not agree to his dad's way of doing biz which is probably similar to Shimao's method...
this may explain why Takayanagi is so easily agitated by Shimao's success in the previous episodes eh
dorama wrote:
Rem the conversation in the confrontation scene: he thinks the reason why Tojo fails is because he's the incompetent underdog; he shd blame no-one for his own failure...wow, so cold-hearted
doesnt this sound like Koda
the sarcastic remark he made abt captain Mizushima
dorama wrote:
yes, it seems only Nanami understands the real Takayanagi...I really wanna see them together in the end
rem the scene in which Takayanagi suddenly appears when Nanami is working alone in the office & he asks a funny question about his death/funeral with no-one by his side(am I rite?); Nanami asks him to forget about those things & gives a very understanding expression!
wow, I wanna be Nanami at that point & run to Takayanagi, then give him a big hehehe
i think Takayanagi asked Nanami at the time when u may die, is it better if i m beside u? Nanami then replied tat she has already forgotten tat incident
this probably refers to the incident when Nanami suffered from pneumonia & almost died... but Takayanagi didn't turn up
*shake hand* me tooo...
talking abt understanding Toru well... why isn't she surprised when she heard tat Toru has sold Tojo... simply coz she knows him too well eh
dorama wrote:
I have been laughing so hard about Shimao's imitation since I saw the trailer at the end of epi5...why does Takayanagi always address Shimao using his full name?
i also happen to like the part where Miyazawa called Kamiya abt the outcome of the investigation of Tojo, Takayanagi relationship
dorama wrote:
yaloh, same sentiments here...why does Toru always suffer? Demo ne, I luv the sorrowful Takayanagi best; then the very confident businessman (strangely enuf, I luv his cocksureness about everything; very *man* ); then the Mr Nice Guy...
hehe... i like the part when he left the hospital after he told Tojo not to worry, he'll take care of Tojo's co... walao... tat facial expression & eyes... sooooo cold & feelingless, cf to the mister "nice guy" a few sec ago
dorama wrote:
so true! & the black tower only has two lines!
talking abt Kaori, when Kaori said "she is very happy tat Takayanagi made such a move" & Nanami said "Sou ne".. 1 thing crosses my mind, how come u guys r not worried tat u may lose ur ricebowl or Frontier may go bankrupt since Frontier's shares r plunging like crazy & Takayanagi is abt to buy a co which owe creditors as much as 80 billion yen
similarly, the only thing tat crosses Shimao's mind is tat Takayanagi -> ii hito coz Takayanagi decides to help his father's friend at all cost
hehe, maybe they all hve faith in Takayanagi's ability in turning around a 80 billion yen debt laden co
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 11:57 am Post subject:
SPOILER..KOI OCHI...
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i think Takayanagi asked Nanami at the time when u may die, is it better if i m beside u? Nanami then replied tat she has already forgotten tat incident
this probably refers to the incident when Nanami suffered from pneumonia & almost died... but Takayanagi didn't turn up
this pneumonia incident...has the mention of it ever come in the last few epis? dun rem Nanami mentioned it; neither did Takayanagi? did I miss anything? but then if I was Nanami, I would also have dumped Takayanagi...
but if Takayanagi asked such a qt, the script writer might wanna show that he still has a soft spot; still has heart; still a *human*?
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hehe... i like the part when he left the hospital after he told Tojo not to worry, he'll take care of Tojo's co... walao... tat facial expression & eyes... sooooo cold & feelingless, cf to the mister "nice guy" a few sec ago
yes, yes, with the slo-mo & close-up of his facial expression...so merciless, reveals his true plans in a v. subtle manner ...like u said, nikyy-sama, the transition Shin-chan displays is just so smooth & always controlled, never over-the-top. I think I fall in luv w/ him once again, just watching him walk down the hospital corridor...so captivating...like I said in my last post, I strangely luv the merciless look of Takayanagi, the business man...
another good transition is the phone call scene, i.e. when he receives a phone call telling him Tojo has passed away, then once he finished that call, he makes another call to the new buyer of Tojo. See his expression just when Nanami walks in? Rem the tone he uses for the two phone calls is such a contrast. Shin-chan, how can we NOT luv u?
compare that to Shimao in the confrontation scene, I think Kusanagi is slightly over the top, the saliva also shows . but still not too bad!
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how come u guys r not worried tat u may lose ur ricebowl or Frontier may go bankrupt since Frontier's shares r plunging like crazy & Takayanagi is abt to buy a co which owe creditors as much as 80 billion yen
similarly, the only thing tat crosses Shimao's mind is tat Takayanagi -> ii hito coz Takayanagi decides to help his father's friend at all cost
hehe, maybe they all hve faith in Takayanagi's ability in turning around a 80 billion yen debt laden co
yes, & the M & A conference with the Tojo shareholders/creditors is just so bogus! If I were Shimao, I wouldn't stand up & say the bullshit that Shimao had said...(*despite the bleak financial picture that Tojo shows, Takayanagi still acquires Tojo out of his wish to return the favours Tojo had once showed Takayanagi & his family 27 yrs ago, blah, blah). The *ii-hito* theory is just too superficial & bogus in the real world liao...for us who live in the real biz world...this just won't happen, Shimao
But then the show is NOT supposed to be real; it's just a TV drama anyway. Perhaps u r rite, nikyy-sama, I'm reading too much into the details liao
Anyway, one thing for sure, Shin-chan's performance in epi 6 has certainly saved the whole show...if the rest is as good as this one, I take my complaint back even if Kaori & the black tower get on my nerves
& yes, Miyazawa, Kamiya, even Ryuta & Mariko seem to become more & more appealing...
this pneumonia incident...has the mention of it ever come in the last few epis? dun rem Nanami mentioned it; neither did Takayanagi? did I miss anything? but then if I was Nanami, I would also have dumped Takayanagi...
but if Takayanagi asked such a qt, the script writer might wanna show that he still has a soft spot; still has heart; still a *human*?
yup.. think its in ep4 (after the wonderful Toru look out of the window scene, i think), at the bar where Nanami told Shimao abt tat...
*nod head* probably so ne
saw the part when he's searching for info on the web abt Tojo, his eyes turn watery again
think to Takayanagi, he probably thinks tat he did Tojo a favour not to sell his co b4 he died ... & with tat, he can die peacefully
if he's really tat cold & heartless, he could hve sold Tojo straightaway eh
maybe as Nanami said, he may hve hesitated & considered b4 making the final decision to take up the Tojo deal & finally, sold it to other co...
another face change scene...
rem the part where he opened the door & hinted to Nanami tat he wans her to leave the office, after she left & when close the door... his face turns sorrowful again
dorama wrote:
yes, & the M & A conference with the Tojo shareholders/creditors is just so bogus! If I were Shimao, I wouldn't stand up & say the bullshit that Shimao had said...(*despite the bleak financial picture that Tojo shows, Takayanagi still acquires Tojo out of his wish to return the favours Tojo had once showed Takayanagi & his family 27 yrs ago, blah, blah). The *ii-hito* theory is just too superficial & bogus in the real world liao...for us who live in the real biz world...this just won't happen, Shimao
But then the show is NOT supposed to be real; it's just a TV drama anyway. Perhaps u r rite, nikyy-sama, I'm reading too much into the details liao
hehe... at 1st i thot its shareholders meeting too... but apparently, its a meeting with union (ie employees of Tojo)...
rem at the meeting.. when Shimao stood up & bow... his expression errrrr... seems to say why r u doing this... but subsequently he himself stood up & bow too... hmmm, wonder wat is he thinking ne... well, maybe he only has 1 motive in hand, "I wan Tojo at all expense"
hehe, i m also telling myself... its only a fictional tv drama...
but can't help thinking tat ep6, similar to the other episodes, still emphasize tat being an "ii hito" is more important than anything else ne... if Takayanagi decides to acquire Tojo with only 1 intention, to rescue his dad's friend's co... even tho this is not beneficial to Frontier.. isnt this self interest ah...
wat abt the interest of Frontier? Frontier's employees? Frontier's shareholders?
i was hoping tat with the share plunging, media pressure... tat would at least let Shimao get a taste of reality ... but dun think tats wat the scriptwriter is interested in
SPOILER ENDS...MAYBE
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject:
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nikyy wrote:
saw the part when his searching for info on the web abt Tojo, his eyes turn watery again
think to Takayanagi, he probably thinks tat he did Tojo a favour not to sell his co b4 he died ... & with tat, he can die peacefully
if he's really tat cold & heartless, he could hve sold Tojo straightaway eh
maybe as Nanami said, he may hve hesitated & considered b4 making the final decision to take up the Tojo deal & finally, sold it to other co...
another face change scene...
rem the part where he opened the door & hinted to Nanami tat he wans her to leave the office, after she left & when close the door... his face turns sorrowful again
Wow... you all have such interesting analysis of Takayanagi! I'm so truly impressed with our SHIN SHIN again and again and again
I chose to believe that Takayanagi was not TOTALLY acting when he felt sorrowful for the Tojo Syachou... and yes... maybe he knew that Tojo was BEYOND help... so he shrewedly try to help the man rest in peace and get some extra cash into his pocket
I do think Takayanagi has a really soft side to him, but he really tried to hide them too much... thus explaining those sorrowful expressions (KODA?! ) Most prob he hate his father for his "imcompetance", but yet... he yearn to be able to do "nice things". I think he is those kind that snaps back to reality TOO FAST One moment he might really be feeling sorry, one moment he thinks abt those failures if he falters~ he'll of course choose the ruthless way. Maybe he understand (or rather hate) the taste of failure more then anyone ne....
From the question he asked Nanami... we can tell that his confidence in his way of doing things has dropped. He is reassessing himself again and again on what he do is truly "right"... its alittle heartbreaking...
dorama wrote:
yes, yes, with the slo-mo & close-up of his facial expression...so merciless, reveals his true plans in a v. subtle manner ...like u said, nikyy-sama, the transition Shin-chan displays is just so smooth & always controlled, never over-the-top. I think I fall in luv w/ him once again, just watching him walk down the hospital corridor...so captivating...like I said in my last post, I strangely luv the merciless look of Takayanagi, the business man...
I LOVE THIS SCENE~ i think its very cool ne... that COLD COLD look~
nikyy wrote:
hehe, i m also telling myself... its only a fictional tv drama...
but can help thinking tat ep6, similar to the other episodes, still emphasize tat being an "ii hito" is more important than anything else ne... if Takayanagi decides to acquire Tojo with only 1 intention, to rescue his dad's friend's co... even tho this is not beneficial to Frontier.. isnt this self interest ah...
wat abt the interest of Frontier? Frontier's employees? Frontier's shareholders?
i was hoping tat with the share plunging, media pressure... tat would at least let Shimao get a taste of reality ... but dun think tats wat the scriptwriter is interested in
Agreed! I was thinking at the moment he stood up~ "WAH... shimao very brave ner..." I seriously dun think those explainations will work in the same way in the real world... cos its all about money isn't it?! Its really not charity... The part wer he confront Takayanagi~ omg... he was crying!!!! I tot that part was quite over the top... but it was quite gd~ just that the crying part is quite bugging me... worst of all, Takayanagi give a damn abit it~ quite bad hor?
And the last part before they went into the video scene....
Nanami: �����́D�D�D�����ł���Ȃ�������D�D�D(Maybe Takayanagi was lost/confused....)
*melts* omg... she can really read his mind... such darlin... they MUS end up together!!
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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nikyy wrote:
yup.. think its in ep4 (after the wonderful Toru look out of the window scene, i think), at the bar where Nanami told Shimao abt tat...
ooorrrr, when I watched that scene in epi 4, I thot Nanami was talking about some old men that Takayanagi used to know so she was talking about herself...
nikyy wrote:
rem at the meeting.. when Shimao stood up & bow... his expression errrrr... seems to say why r u doing this... but subsequently he himself stood up & bow too... hmmm, wonder wat is he thinking ne... well, maybe he only has 1 motive in hand, "I wan Tojo at all expense"
.. isnt this self interest ah...
wat abt the interest of Frontier? Frontier's employees? Frontier's shareholders?
i was hoping tat with the share plunging, media pressure... tat would at least let Shimao get a taste of reality ... but dun think tats wat the scriptwriter is interested in
yes, I kinda sigh & sigh when I watched this part; the script writer's mindset is just too simplistic...but then TV drama is meant for housewives maybe she thinks this "ii hito" formula will work, but the truth is the plunging shares, negative media coverage & pressure from employees would at least let Shimao see the truth, but NO.
However, I do admire Takayanagi's perceptiveness...who would have thot that this profitable Laos semiconductor company exists? In the real biz world, I think we need more ppl like Takayanagi, & fewer Shimao...geeez, I am totally a supporter of ruthless Takayanagi
nikyy wrote:
another face change scene...
rem the part where he opened the door & hinted to Nanami tat he wans her to leave the office, after she left & when close the door... his face turns sorrowful again
yes, I LUV his expression, did u see he kinda twitched his upper lip a little? He does that quite often actually...wanna him
iluvhyde wrote:
And the last part before they went into the video scene....
Nanami: �����́D�D�D�����ł���Ȃ�������D�D�D(Maybe Takayanagi was lost/confused....)
*melts* omg... she can really read his mind... such darlin... they MUS end up together!!
yes, exactly what I thot! that line is so perfect for that watching-the-video-in-the-dark & sorrowful look of Shin-chan...makes one wanna say to Takayanagi:"Don't worry; you & me are against this world; I'm here to protect you from all these pains & sorrows!"
I chose to believe that Takayanagi was not TOTALLY acting when he felt sorrowful for the Tojo Syachou... and yes... maybe he knew that Tojo was BEYOND help... so he shrewedly try to help the man rest in peace and get some extra cash into his pocket
it can also be tat he's someone who separates personal feelings from biz matters... he can feel sad for Tojo ... but when it comes to biz matter... its still money & cents tat count coz as a boss, he has his own responsibilities to bear
... as wat he told Kaori at the end when she asked him whether he has the intention of selling Tojo right from the beginning & whether he lied to his employees. He said with tat, Frontier is able to earn money (?). If this is not done, Frontier wont be able to pay the salary of its important staff, which includes Kaori's (hehe, thinking of Nukui.. rem the part when Yoshitake, Sogo & Toko got their pay... tat expression they had )
... but then again, we dunno whether wat he told Kaori is the truth coz from ep6, we know tat Takayanagi can be manipulative
of course... one can also say tat he's only motivation for acquiring Tojo & lying to everyone is to satisfy his own desire ie. to earn tonnes of money
but i chose to believe in the former
SPOILER ENDS...MAYBE
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yes, I LUV his expression, did u see he kinda twitched his upper lip a little? He does that quite often actually...wanna
talking abt Takayanagi, saw the photo of ep6 on the official website?
superb
btw, i've got 1 question leh...
rem the scene after he spoke to Tojo in the hotel lobby?
he was walking then he saw this guy who used to own Frontier Phonics...
at 1st he didn't show any expression
then after tat, he recalled the scene in ep4 where this guy came to his office & create a scene
then his looked bit worried...
wat is going on there ah?
does it mean tat Takayanagi suspects tat this guy may hve overheard the conversation between him & Tojo? & the subsequent steps r all intentional, including the press report on the deal btw Frontier & Tojo co?
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 3:21 am Post subject:
nikyy wrote:
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it can also be tat he's someone who separates personal feelings from biz matters...
... as wat he told Kaori at the end when she asked him whether he has the intention of selling Tojo right from the beginning & whether he lied to his employees. He said with tat, Frontier is able to earn money (?). If this is not done, Frontier wont be able to pay the salary of its important staff, which includes Kaori's (hehe, thinking of Nukui.. rem the part when Yoshitake, Sogo & Toko got their pay... tat expression they had ) ... but then again, we dunno whether wat he told Kaori is the truth coz from ep6, we know tat Takayanagi can be manipulative
SPOILER ENDS...MAYBE
yes, tat conversation btwn Takayanagi & Kaori, to me, is REAL. I dun blame Takayanagi for tat; in fact I think Frontier employees shd thank him for saving their jobs! I esp. like his line: *including your salary, too, Kaori* I believe this is where the script actually becomes better when the script writer tries to keep her feet on the ground and face reality!
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 3:34 am Post subject:
nikyy wrote:
SPOILER..KOI OCHI...
talking abt Takayanagi, saw the photo of ep6 on the official website?
superb
btw, i've got 1 question leh...
rem the scene after he spoke to Tojo in the hotel lobby?
he was walking then he saw this guy who used to own Frontier Phonics...
at 1st he didn't show any expression
then after tat, he recalled the scene in ep4 where this guy came to his office & create a scene
then his looked bit worried...
wat is going on there ah?
does it mean tat Takayanagi suspects tat this guy may hve overheard the conversation between him & Tojo? & the subsequent steps r all intentional, including the press report on the deal btw Frontier & Tojo co?
SPOILER ENDS...MAYBE
Takayanagi may know sth. fishy is going on with that guy, but I dun think we can deduce that much from his expression. If this was the case, then he was hell of a perceptive & shrewd bizman, more so than one expects him to be. But you may be rite, with all the media coverage of the M & A, he could bash the price of Tojo & acquire the firm at an even lower price & eventually earn more; rem the money he earns by reselling Tojo immediately after Tojo died is 3 times more than what he had paid.
Takayanagi is a GOOD bizman. I like this man a lot ...the script writer may be surprised to find someone actually like the bad guy & detest the "ii hito" theory
Takayanagi may know sth. fishy is going on with that guy, but I dun think we can deduce that much from his expression. If this was the case, then he was hell of a perceptive & shrewd bizman, more so than one expects him to be. But you may be rite, with all the media coverage of the M & A, he could bash the price of Tojo & acquire the firm at an even lower price & eventually earn more; rem the money he earns by reselling Tojo immediately after Tojo died is 3 times more than what he had paid.
Takayanagi is a GOOD bizman. I like this man a lot ...the script writer may be surprised to find someone actually like the bad guy & detest the "ii hito" theory
wah... u still awake ah... hehe... me tooooo
but sick pple must go bed early leh
*nod head* think u r rite... Takayanagi couldnt hve predicted every step so accurately...
hehe... me toooooo... Takayanagi is just soooooo interesting
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Takayanagi may know sth. fishy is going on with that guy, but I dun think we can deduce that much from his expression. If this was the case, then he was hell of a perceptive & shrewd bizman, more so than one expects him to be. But you may be rite, with all the media coverage of the M & A, he could bash the price of Tojo & acquire the firm at an even lower price & eventually earn more; rem the money he earns by reselling Tojo immediately after Tojo died is 3 times more than what he had paid.
Takayanagi is a GOOD bizman. I like this man a lot ...the script writer may be surprised to find someone actually like the bad guy & detest the "ii hito" theory
not surprising if the viewers like the bad guy...in fact, i like the character of takayanagi cos i think that should be the way the world goes....
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worst of all, Takayanagi give a damn abit it~ quite bad hor? 
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