Japan needs more babies

[dochira]

SubaruWRX wrote:

But at least wont hear from her anytime soon...

Sadly, this will only be the beginning. Magazines and news crews will swarm to get shots of P.M.S. and the baby and she will milk the 15 minutes for all its worth.

[ahochaude]

Yep. Her singing career is doodoo.
They just mentioned the pregnancy on Inside Edition tonight again. They said that Christina Aguilera congratulated her.
Big whoop. They're both sluts.
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[SubaruWRX]

ahochaude wrote:

Big whoop. They're both sluts.

Agreed.

[shoujo22]

ahochaude wrote:

....Her singing career is doodoo.....They're both sluts.

SubaruWRX wrote:

Agreed

Wow guys . You don't waste time getting to the point do you?
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[ahochaude]

shoujo22 wrote:

Wow guys . You don't waste time getting to the point do you?

Of course not. Time is of the essence.
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[pcmodem]

ahochaude wrote:

Yep. Her singing career is doodoo.

Have read that her agent is attempting to get her a long term gig in Las Vegas, albeit unsuccessfully thufar. But really, her music is for teenagers... once they get into adulthood, her fans figure out her music is only worthy of kids... who are too young for Vegas. Hence, I doubt that any of the Vegas casinos will offer her the $$$ she wans for a long term gig as she will not be enough of a draw.

ahochaude wrote:

They said that Christina Aguilera congratulated her. Big whoop. They're both sluts.

What's wrong with that?


Or, doing my John Laroquette impression as Dan Fielding from the TV show Night Court:

"You say that as if it were a bad thing."



Cheers,
-PCM

[ahochaude]

pcmodem wrote:

What's wrong with that?

You know Aguilera is just saying that.
She's probably all stoked because Britney won't be giving her competition for worst singer for a while.....
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[pcmodem]

ahochaude wrote:

You know Aguilera is just saying that. She's probably all stoked because Britney won't be giving her competition for worst singer for a while.....

Well, Britney hasn't been competition of Christina for a couple of years, ever since Britney did that 6 month vacation in 2002.

Found it amusing how much effort both of them put into out-slutting one another, in an attempt to shed their teenage bubble-gum pop music images.



Cheers,
PCM

[ahochaude]

pcmodem wrote:

Well, Britney hasn't been competition of Christina for a couple of years, ever since Britney did that 6 month vacation in 2002.

Not that I follow however, hasn't Britney had more success than Aguilera? (in music?)
(Britney has the slut factor well in her favor IMO)

pcmodem wrote:

Found it amusing how much effort both of them put into out-slutting one another, in an attempt to shed their teenage bubble-gum pop music images.

They're celebrating their womenhood.
I think much too excessively.
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[Toranaga]

I can't really do much with both of them... Can't say I really like either. I think, if I had to chose between Britney and that other chick, I'd go for option three... seppuku.

[rujen]

sorry to interrupt all the Britney Spears anf Christina Aguilara bashing (and i do think Christina A. does have talent), but how is this related to Japan needing to reproduce more? I mean how did u even get to this topic?

N e ways I think that if Japan really wants more children I think the government shud do more than just bribe ppl into "getting it on". Because like what somebody here said it takes more than $3000 to raise a kid. Provide services so that women can pursue their careers and be a mother at the same time. If've read in the news how japan's panicking because their being overrun by old ppl! Or japan cud just adopt the children from countries that have too many children. Like from the P.I. or China.

[Toranaga]

3,000? I'd say it's a lot more than that. I think, if you count from age 0 to age 18, it'd be more like 30,000, if not more. If you go strictly financial, a child is quite an investment.

The whole problem with over-aging population isn't a Japan-only thing anyway. Just look at Europe, we, too, have that problem, just that it isn't as manifest as it is in Japan, yet. But people here also get older and here, too, there is the question how the whole thing with retirements and pension payments will be handled in the future. Personally, I don't expect of being able to go into retirement with 65, it could be 70 for me already. The generations after me? I don't envy them. Really, I don't.

As for the services so that women can pursue their careers and be a mother at the same time, why leave the whole job of raising the kids on the women anyway? I mean, hello? 21st century here...

First of, fathers should do their part too (but that would require a whole society to change, which takes some time). It's not a standard that fathers take part in that business, even in the West (traditional family in Austria: father goes to work, mother takes care of some 80-90% of raising the kids and usually doesn't return to work; every now and then you see the opposite, but that's extremely rare still). Secondly, things like kindergarten, etc, cost money (even if it is government operated, though that depends on the country). More kindergarten require more expenses by the government (building, staff, etc), with that comes a tax rise (possibly) and then people whine again. I'm not even going into private operated ones.

[rujen]

the 3000 i meant was the bribe the jap government was voicing out...and yes i agree fathers should help out more but with the society that japan presently lives with i dont think that we'll be seeing that anytime soon. In fact in many countries if not most of them are all male dominated and believe that women are the ones that must produce and protect the offspring. And yes i already know that "too many old ppl" is not only a japan thing. its everywhere. I still think that the japan should adopt though if they're really desperate. I mean in a few years they wont have much of a work force everyone would be old, grey, and retired.

[ahochaude]

rujen wrote:

I still think that the japan should adopt though if they're really desperate. I mean in a few years they wont have much of a work force everyone would be old, grey, and retired.

I think that Japan will not adopt.

It's mainly the Japanese government that is concerned about the population ratio because they're the ones who are focusing on and analyzing the statistics more so, rather than the general public.

I believe that many Japanese couples (childless couples, I mean) currently do not have children because they do not have the desire to, yet, if at all.
It's not like Japan has a population where they are having problems conceiving. It's just that the young couples nowadays are not ready for the emotional and financial responsiblities of raising children.
So adoption from other countries won't really solve anything because why would childless Japanese (by choice) adopt kids (from another country, on top of that) when they are fully capable to but have no desire to produce their own offspring?

If the Japanese government were to force the general public into adopting children from different countries (as you've mentioned), especially when the Japanese general public have no desire to, then what kind of life will those children have growing up?
They won't be wanted from the begining. Some couples may grow to love the kid while other couples won't. And it's the latter category of children who I would feel much pity for.

The majority of the time, why are kids put up for adoption anyway? I think it's because they're not wanted in the first place and/or their births were unplanned. Changing their vulnerability level of that from a helpless fetus to an aware being and putting them back into Square 1 again does not solve much, if anything.

Having children is a HUGE responsiblity and it's not something that should and cannot be forced onto anyone unwilling to 'step up'.
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[shoujo22]

ahochaude wrote:

Perhaps. But nature always has a plan and will always take it's course.

This may be completely biased but as a Biologist I absolutely believe that .
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[niko2x]

ahochaude wrote:

Having children is a HUGE responsiblity and it's not something that should and cannot be forced onto anyone unwilling to 'step up'.

listen to him y'all! the man speaks from experience!


Looks like Japan is not the only asian country with this problem...

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409240047.html

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Korea Faces Low Birth Rates, Aging Population It has been found that in 81 of 234 cities and towns across the country, deaths outnumber births. In most regions, except for metropolitan areas and some big cities, it has become difficult to find younger people and infants, particularly in rural areas. Metropolitan areas and big cities may find themselves in a similar situation in the near future. In other words, there will be more older people everywhere. Last year, the total fertility rate (TFR) among Korean women was the lowest in the world, at 1.19, a figure much lower than the average 1.6 to 1.7 for OECD member countries and significantly lower than the 2.1 needed to maintain the current population level in this country. The TFR is the average number of babies born to women during their reproductive years between ages 15 and 49. The number of births, which once reached as many as one million in 1970 alone, fell to 493,500 last year. From 2017, 13 years from now, the country�fs total population will start to decrease. Korea is becoming the fastest aging society in the world. It took France 115 years for the proportion of the population over 65 years of age to increase from seven percent of the total population to 14 percent. It took Sweden 85 years and Italy 52 years to do the same thing. It is forecast that it will take Korea just 19 years to follow suit. At present, an average of three working people between the ages of 25 and 54 support one elderly person over the age of 55. But in 2026, one working person will come to support one elderly person. When a society not only has a high number of older people and a decreasing number of younger people, but also has a shrinking population, it is doomed to stagnate and decline. When the numbers of people who can work, pay taxes or join the military decrease, while the numbers of people who live on pension and need medicare increase, a country cannot but have financial difficulties, a reduced scale of economy and a weakened constitution. In this respect, the country�fs population growth and birth rate serve as an indication that the country is on the verge of decline. If it does not act immediately to come up with drastic countermeasures, it will miss a chance to put breaks on its downward slide. The complexity of this problem lies in the fact that it cannot be solved with good social policy measures. Therefore, the government should devise comprehensive measures that take into consideration economic and taxation issues, women�fs employment, childcare and education, and changes in values in marriage and tradition. But most of all, the government needs to sharpen its perception of aging and decreasing birth rates.

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[SubaruWRX]

people need to have more fun thats all

[ahochaude]

All part of the game (benefits) of being a pimp.

You tell 'em, SWRX.
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[SubaruWRX]

ahochaude wrote:

All part of the game (benefits) of being a pimp. You tell 'em, SWRX.

[Saito_Hajime]

Yeah, it's fun alright. But a risky one too
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