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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
Thank you for your extensive reply Kokuou! ^^
Is there some way I can translate �]���ɂ� more litterally? Since the eventual translation seems to depend heavily on the context... is it something like "even to the / this extend of excess"?
Not really.
It's kind of one of those expressions that really doesn't have a good English equivalent.
Ususally, it's translated as "so much ... (that)".
supermidget wrote:
For grammar in general, is there some site that has collected Japanese grammar and expressions in an systematic way? Like where I could have tried looking up "�S�z��������"? I'm trying to collect these kind of expressions of noun + verb:
�h�ӂ�\���@�u���������Ђ傤����v to show respect
�ْ��������@�u���傤���ق����v to relief stress
��������@�u�������������v to take an exam
as such. Since these pairs are not often in dictionaries, I take them from what I hear/read... look it up and note them as a couple...
Hmm... I haven't run across a really good site, but if I do, I'll be sure to let you know.
Oh, a little note about �ْ������� [���傤���ق���], it doesn't mean to relieve stress in the way we think about stress relief in English. It's more along the lines of "relieving anxiety" or "relieving nervousness" when you are nervous about some particular event. To "relieve stress," you say �X�g���X�U���� [���Ƃꂷ���͂�����].
HTH,
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject:
hi minna... quick question
i was watching a HYD special (the trivia epi, i dunno if anyone saw it), but in one of the questions, she's talking about a scene that has left a "deep impact" on her... and then she says that there's a very "kyun" feeling to it... all she says is that its very "kyun."
i was wondering what that meant.. i couldnt find it online, and i was wondering if someone could help me.....
sorry if its kinda random and not very clear.. hopefully, maybe, someone will have some kind of idea?
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
Hello!
I have two other questions...
1) I'm reading a news article about a murder on a man. Although I'm actually already sure of the meaning, does this mean the man was in his underwear:
�����p�̒j��
Sometimes I get confused about the way two words are joined by �� and it doesn't litterally mean "of" (like the "man of the underwear" doesn't work here).
Yup
Basically, it's saying, "The body of a 175cm tall 30 year old man in his underwear was found in a bag."
supermidget wrote:
2) One time I asked about how to read numbers with decimals before... but I realize I don't know anything about math/calculation in Japanese. How does one pronounce:
... plus ... is ...
... minus ... is ...
... times ... is ...
... devided by ... is ...
... to the power of ... is ...
the root of ... is ...
and negative numbers:
minus ...
and stuff what do you call it? like:
2
3 = two third
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
and stuff what do you call it? like:
2
3 = two third
Fractions
You would use ���� (bu no) in between the denominator and the numerator. In your example, it would be (�R���̂Q) "san bu no ni". Literally it is saying "2 of 3 parts". I hope that's correct.
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:07 am Post subject:
dochira wrote:
Fractions
You would use ���� (bu no) in between the denominator and the numerator. In your example, it would be (�R���̂Q) "san bu no ni". Literally it is saying "2 of 3 parts". I hope that's correct.
That's going to be useful. Thanks. _________________
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:23 am Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
Thank you ^_^ You're such a good help!
hoping that 3 to the power of 2 is still 9 in Japan
Hehehe
Yeah, that's why my major is linguistics and not math. Or anything that has to do with numbers. Ever.
Sorry, I missed the fraction thing.
Dochira hit it on the head with ���� (bu no).
It's a hard thing at first for foreigners to grasp that you have to reverse the numbers. At least it took me a while.
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-Bern Williams
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:06 am Post subject:
kenjilina wrote:
how about something like;
ima oranda wa samui desukedo, nihon no yohna mondai ni natteru samusa de wa arimasen.
thanks for the reply. It probably does convey the meaning but I'm looking for some way to use �ق�. Not sure wether ���{�̂悤�Ȗ�� means "troubles like Japan's" or "troubles such as Japan". As if - in the latter- Japan would be a trouble. I don't want to accidentally say that. hehe _________________
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:35 am Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
thanks for the reply. It probably does convey the meaning but I'm looking for some way to use �ق�. Not sure wether ���{�̂悤�Ȗ�� means "troubles like Japan's" or "troubles such as Japan". As if - in the latter- Japan would be a trouble. I don't want to accidentally say that. hehe
Hmm... what kenjilina says is clearer than what you first said, but here is how I would do it:
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:
@kenjilina & kokuou; Thank you both for the great help! Some stuff to think about >_< I mean, since my suggestion was kinda clumsy... so much to learn for me _________________
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:42 am Post subject:
Hi I'm having a conversation test tomorrow, so I have a question or maybe more...
How do you say (cause I cn't find it in mybook anymore):
"please leave the window open"
We're not supposed to learn that one construction with �܂� but some other one, and I'm not sure which. I'm thinking of something with �悤 or �Ēu��??? I don't know!
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:11 am Post subject:
supermidget wrote:
Hi I'm having a conversation test tomorrow, so I have a question or maybe more...
How do you say (cause I cn't find it in mybook anymore):
"please leave the window open"
We're not supposed to learn that one construction with �܂� but some other one, and I'm not sure which. I'm thinking of something with �悤 or �Ēu��??? I don't know!
If you know please help!
Well, if you were allowed to use �܂�, then you might say:
�����J�����܂܂ɂ��Ă����Ă��������B(Mado wo aita mama ni shite oite kudasai.)
Otherwise, you can say:
�����J���������������B(Mado wo akete oite kudasai.)
However, the nuance in the second place is more like, "open the window and leave it that way."
If you are trying to tell someone to "LEAVE the window open" (i.e.: "don't close it"), then you can just say:
����߂Ȃ��ł��������B(Mado wo shimenaide kudasai.)
I can't think of any other way of saying it right now..
If I do, though, I'll be sure to let you know
HTH,
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Edit:
You can say the following, which implies the same nuance as �܂�:
�����J���Ă���悤�ɂ��Ă����Ă��������B(Mado wo aiteiru you ni shite oite kudasai.) _________________
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:
ahh thanks since me and a friend weren't able to find the part in the book, I think we should use the mama construction after all then... it's pretty easy as well.
One more question for I go to my univ. city...
Just to be sure, are these correct?:
"Japanese eat more rice than Americans"
�A�����J�l�����{�l�͂��т��悭���ׂ܂��@�H
"Dutch trains don't come on time as often as Japanese trains"
�I�����_�̓d�Ԃ͓��{�̓d�Ԃقǂ悭�Ԃɍ����܂���@�H
"cycling is faster than walking"
�������Ƃ�莩�]�Ԃ���ق��������ł��@�H
�������Ƃ�莩�]�Ԃ��͂₢�ł��@�H
and more?
is there anything else I should be careful about with �ق� and ���?
After this I hope I won't mess up my exam Ah well I have confidence.. I've learned so much on this forum, it couldn't go wrong anyhow Thanks alot
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject:
I hope you see this in time. If not, good luck!!
supermidget wrote:
ahh thanks since me and a friend weren't able to find the part in the book, I think we should use the mama construction after all then... it's pretty easy as well.
One more question for I go to my univ. city...
Just to be sure, are these correct?:
"Japanese eat more rice than Americans"
�A�����J�l�����{�l�͂��т��悭���ׂ܂��@�H
Perfect, but I would put ���{�l�́Afirst because the topic of the sentence is the Japanese.
supermidget wrote:
"Dutch trains don't come on time as often as Japanese trains"
�I�����_�̓d�Ԃ͓��{�̓d�Ԃقǂ悭�Ԃɍ����܂���@�H
�Ԃɍ��� means more like "to be on time" in the sense of making it on time for an event.
I would say this:
�I�����_�̓d�Ԃ́A���{�̓d�Ԃقǎ��Ԓʂ�ɑ���Ȃ��B(Oranda no densha ha, nihon no densha hodo jikan doori ni hashiranai.)
You could stick the �悭 in, but I think it sounds better with out it.
supermidget wrote:
"cycling is faster than walking"
�������Ƃ�莩�]�Ԃ���ق��������ł��@�H
�������Ƃ�莩�]�Ԃ��͂₢�ł��@�H
Almost.
"Cycling" cannot be translated as ���]�Ԃ��� because ���]�� is a noun that cannot become a verb. You must say ���]�Ԃɏ��.
If you want to say, "[The thing of] cycling is faster than [the thing of] walking," then you say:
������莩�]�Ԃɏ��ق�������. (Aruku yori jitensha ni noru hou ga hayai.)
(*Note: ���� is for speed and ���� is for time.)
However, if you simply want to say something like, "(you'll get there) faster by cycling than walking" (the difference between simply stating the fact that cycling is faster than walking and actually telling someone that they should cycle because it's faster), then you can just say:
������莩�]�Ԃɏ�����ق���������B(Aruku yori jitensha ni notta hou ga hayai yo.)
Anyway, good luck, you'll do fine, don't worry! I have faith in you!!
HTH,
������ _________________
"I like the word 'indolence'. It makes my laziness seem classy."
-Bern Williams
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject:
Yeah I saw it before the exam, thanks so much it did help me ^_^
Fortunately I passed the exam though it didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped for... The way he tested our grammar was pretty tough.. I mean, he didn't just ask to translate stuff. For example we had to learn transitive and intransitive verbs and to know when to use them in sentences like "the light has been switched on" and what to use "te iru" or "te aru" etc. The way of testing was like, he started out some sentence and we had to finish with iru or aru... I was completely confused lol. Probably making a sentence yourself is much easier. So it went wrong a bit... Ill await my grade. Ah well, I passed so... _________________
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject:
loris wrote:
In reference to the leaving open a window question ...
Can I ask a dumb question? I see in my dictionary the verb "to leave open"
�J������ [�����͂Ȃ�] /(v5s,vt) to keep open/to leave open/
Could it be used like:
Mado wo akehanasite kudasai?
I don't think you can say that.
�J������ [�����͂Ȃ�] - means more like to "fling" or "throw" something open.
So, you would use it like this.
�ނ͂������{���Ă��āA���邩�Ǝv�킹��قǃh�A���J���������B(Kare ha sugoku okotteite, omowazu doa wo akehanashita.)
"He was so angry that he flung the door open so hard I thought it was going to break."
Little bit of a complicated example sentence, but I hope you can parse it
HTH,
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since me and a friend weren't able to find the part in the book, I think we should use the mama construction after all then... it's pretty easy as well.
Thanks alot 
