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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:17 am Post subject:
Luthiel no Edge wrote:
Tu_tricky >> (4000 more posts since the World Cup! Aren't you eating ? =)
We could say also that Takuya Kimura has had the utmost honor to be the voicer of the main character in the last Hayao Miyazaki anime movie, which is still the biggest box-office since 2004...
I just wonder when will Kame do his cinema debut and whose filmmaker he'll work with. Dubbing an anime would be great too. ^^;;
i am eating world cup leftovers
good point...i'm still waiting to see Kimura Takuya's first BIG role in a film.....he stars in Yoji Yamada's Bushi no Ichibun, which premiered this month at the Tokyo Int'l Film Festival
i think as with other famous stars, including Kimura Takuya, Kame should and probably will focus more on his television action career....that's where the focus is in Japanese entertainment. right now he's just crankin' out those doramas left and right....that's usually a BAD idea in the long run...because that means his agency is not perhaps being as selective as they should be and thus he'll get roles that aren't as choice...but what do they care...they're pumping up his exposure and raking in the big bucks.
luck???? honestly i could care less if you like the guy but it's quite funny to hear someone say Kimura Takuya's continued popularity is luck...Kimura Takuya was just recently named favorite guy by the famous Japanese women's magazine An An for a RECORD 13 YEARS IN A ROW. I've seen tons of doramas and he has starred in the top 3 HIGHEST RATED Getsuku Doramas of all time..which no one can even come close to boasting...male OR female...his doramas consistently get ratings of over 20% which is unheard of these days outside of Taiga dramas.....
anybody who's been ranked top guy for 13 years in a row popular polls has brandname recognition that stems from more than just luck. i could easily bet that this feat will probably NEVER be topped again...at least not in our lifetimes...
to say his popularity is luck is like saying Michael Jordan was lucky to win all his MVP titles and NBA championship rings .....he was just riding a wave
Yup he can pull out all these rankings and ratings like no one can yet no one can say how he achieved that or how he is superior to some other prominent artists. I've seen his face and I saw his dramas. If he's really exceptionally good looking or charismatic or really good with acting I wouldn't say. But there's nothing exceptional about him to go on with the exceptionally long ranking. It certainly boggles my mind. Aside from being lucky, I have no explanation as to how that can be achieved. And if Takuya can achieve those feats with his ability without the luck factor, I can see many other artists could have done so. Is there something really significant about him that I don't know?
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:16 am Post subject:
xyz wrote:
Yup he can pull out all these rankings and ratings like no one can yet no one can say how he achieved that or how he is superior to some other prominent artists. I've seen his face and I saw his dramas. If he's really exceptionally good looking or charismatic or really good with acting I wouldn't say. But there's nothing exceptional about him to go on with the exceptionally long ranking. It certainly boggles my mind. Aside from being lucky, I have no explanation as to how that can be achieved. And if Takuya can achieve those feats with his ability without the luck factor, I can see many other artists could have done so. Is there something really significant about him that I don't know?
all that i'm saying is nobody maintains a top shelf career in the fickle world of entertainment for 13 years running on "mere luck." i'm not disparaging your ambivalence about his status, but one's subjective opinion about him does not negate his accomplishments....long running music career in Smap, part of the ever popular SmapxSmap..countless fashion editorials, multiple endorsement deals, the highest rated doramas of all time....trust me it's more than just luck..NOBODY is that lucky.....as luthiel no edge mentioned, even after he was married which can easily be the kiss of death for japanese male heart throbs he STILL maintained his preeminence. obviously a signficant portion of the targeted japanese demographic of doramas - read WOMEN - love the guy to death notwitstanding your personal opinion (which you're obviously entitled to have and express).
just because fans or detractors might not have explanations that might satisfy one personally doesn't mean you can ascribe his fame, wealth and status to luck.... this isn't a lottery....if he's been the most popular guy in japan for 13 years running it's because a signifcant number of japanese females (i.e. millions), mostly, think he's good at what he does. you don't have to agree with these millions but you have to acknowledge that numerous ppl think he is talented to a degree that commands a level of attention more than other celebrities, for better or for worse.
nobody would keep him basking in such limelight merely because of luck...we all know that ppl are very fickle when it comes to adoring celebrities...he could have easily had one misstep and that could have damaged his sterling image....(see ryoko hirosue for example)
For a while, you say? Aren't you being a little bit hypocrit here? Since Long Vacation, his popularity has not faded the least and even married he remains as Japan's most influential entertainer. For a while, so you say. Do you know he's been in SMAP since 1988 and his band, along with SAS, B'z & Mr. Children is considered to be the most successful band in terms of longevity? That's surely not a while. Let me remind you that the 3 most rated dramas star him as main character? To consider this "luck" proves you're not aware at all on how popularity functions in Japan (yet you said 2 pages ago you were agreeing on Kame "being the next KT". SO Kame will be recognized for his "luck", indeed.)
To talk about luck is that you don't know how much trouble it was to make SMAP popular, you don't really believe they got a KAT-TUN like debut, do you?
From the backing dancer of Hikaru Genji he was to the legend today, Takuya Kimura has achieved what no entertainer could do.
May I know on which facts are you basing yourself to say that Masaharu Fukuyama is superior in every aspect? On sales? No. On popularity? Nah. On polls? On TV exposure? Certainly not!
Ah you brought up that Korean dude; just keep in mind he's not as popular in his country (whereas Takuya has gained strong following all over Asia) and he doesn't stand a chance against someone like Won Bin in Korea.
You say Takuya doesn't deserve the attention, I say Kame has bored a lot of people with his face everywhere and Jin should have had more spotlight. And Kame won't ride on the megastars road if he shows again that poor and unconvincing acting like in Sappuri; in Yuuki he was fantastic.
When I look at Takuya, I look at him not at the popular poll, the ranking, TV exposure so on so forth. I'm interested to find out what is his exceptional talent and ability that draw these numbers. Expectation of great ability from him is inevitable. After all he got all kinds of rankings as you said. Of course it takes a lot of effort to keep SMAP on top. I'm sure many other bands have put a lot of effort as well. I was just talking about Takuya. I've seen his acting and he's good but he's not the best. I haven't heard his singing but I don't recall hearing much about his singing so I didn't bother checking out. I guess you can tell me about his exceptional singing? At any rate, I understand that people's views are subjective and I want to look at him objectively. I haven't seen what others saw is what I should say. Some say he's great. I think he's overrated and really there's no reason to cancel out the possibility that Kame or some other young stars will be 'the legend' eh?
all that i'm saying is nobody maintains a top shelf career in the fickle world of entertainment for 13 years running on "mere luck." i'm not disparaging your ambivalence about his status, but one's subjective opinion about him does not negate his accomplishments....long running music career in Smap, part of the ever popular SmapxSmap..countless fashion editorials, multiple endorsement deals, the highest rated doramas of all time....trust me it's more than just luck..NOBODY is that lucky.....as luthiel no edge mentioned, even after he was married which can easily be the kiss of death for japanese male heart throbs he STILL maintained his preeminence. obviously a signficant portion of the targeted japanese demographic of doramas - read WOMEN - love the guy to death notwitstanding your personal opinion (which you're obviously entitled to have and express).
just because fans or detractors might not have explanations that might satisfy one personally doesn't mean you can ascribe his fame, wealth and status to luck.... this isn't a lottery....if he's been the most popular guy in japan for 13 years running it's because a signifcant number of japanese females (i.e. millions), mostly, think he's good at what he does. you don't have to agree with these millions but you have to acknowledge that numerous ppl think he is talented to a degree that commands a level of attention more than other celebrities, for better or for worse.
nobody would keep him basking in such limelight merely because of luck...we all know that ppl are very fickle when it comes to adoring celebrities...he could have easily had one misstep and that could have damaged his sterling image....(see ryoko hirosue for example)
At times when something doesn't add up I can't help but be skeptical about it. (If it's not luck, it must be ability. If it's not ability, it must be luck. Or it could be a little ability and exceptional luck or exceptional ability and little luck.) I only see what I can see (and so far exceptional ability is not in the picture yet since he's not really a rare find in a few hundred years.) So in your opinion he has exceptional ability yeah?
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:45 am Post subject:
xyz wrote:
At times when something doesn't add up I can't help but be skeptical about it. (If it's not luck, it must be ability. If it's not ability, it must be luck. Or it could be a little ability and exceptional luck or exceptional ability and little luck.) I only see what I can see (and so far exceptional ability is not in the picture yet since he's not really a rare find in a few hundred years.) So in your opinion he has exceptional ability yeah?
i think his agency managed his career very successfully to be sure...i don't care for his singing...i think SMAP was basically only a launching vehicle for the later successes that the group's individuals had....but many would disagree with me....their concerts still sell out everywhere they go and they've garnered several number one hits on the music charts with millions of album sales...i think as an actor he is definitely one of the best actors who's had the good fortune or perhaps the good sense to pick good roles, for the most part, with good storylines. his doramas usually have great casts and adequate execution grounded by good screenwriting. he doesn't pick roles just to put his face onscreen..like many young stars seem to be doing, most likely at the behest of their talent agencies...
i also think he's a pretty good looking guy with a charisma that others don't have in similar abundance.
i can't say he's so rare as to be once in a hundred years as you mentioned...but his stardom is so far above similarly situated males in Japan it is exceptional and i doubt will be repeated by anybody anytime soon.
again liking anybody is obviously a matter of perogative but his career, the numbers, the stats are undeniable.....many female and male stars have come and gone yet thus far he remains comfortably on top....
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject:
Okay. xyz, it's obvious that you don't think KimuTaku deserves the status he has. That's fine. That's your opinion. However, I don't think anyone brainwashed his thousands of Japanese fans into loving him like they do. I've only seen three of his dramas (Good Luck!!, Pride, and Beautiful Life) and I absolutely loved them all, and loved him in them. I can only speak of those three roles, but they were all very different and he pulled them all off beautifully. The way he convinces you that he actually IS the character amazes me. It amazes me that he can actually act out the career of his character. I mean, you see him playing hockey in Pride. You see him cutting hair like a natural in Beautiful Life. His singing voice is mediocre, but really, in Japan, a good singing voice really isn't necessary to be popular, especially in JE. Look at MatsuJun. His voice is so nasal, and honestly I sometimes think Arashi would sound better without him. But he's one of my favorite idols anyway, in spite of that. But enough about MatsuJun, we're not talking about him here.
You should have a conversation with Helen (blueverry at Love Song Forums). She knows more about JE and KimuTaku than anyone I know, and she is very...opinionated, and gives her arguments well every time. And she loves Kimura Takuya. Although, if you were to go to her with this kind of attitude, you'd seriously piss her off. LOL. I wonder if anyone else in this forum knows her.
But I do agree with Tu_triky. KimuTaku isn't just known for SMAP, or even for his dramas. He's known for himself. It's more than exceptional ability, which we have to remember, Japan isn't like the West when it comes to celebrities. It's about more than just the roles they play, it's about the entire image, in dramas, on variety shows, on music shows, on TV commercials, on CD's, in concerts, everywhere. And for Kimura Takuya, something about his charisma, or just the aura he gives off, that confident sexiness that goes beyond the blatant hotness of the younger Johnny's, just his whole image is something that no one else has. Like him or not, agree with this or not, a lot of people feel this way. A LOT. And luck won't get you this. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject:
GodsGirl7 wrote:
Okay. xyz, it's obvious that you don't think KimuTaku deserves the status he has. That's fine. That's your opinion. However, I don't think anyone brainwashed his thousands of Japanese fans into loving him like they do. I've only seen three of his dramas (Good Luck!!, Pride, and Beautiful Life) and I absolutely loved them all, and loved him in them.
sidenote: watch Long Vacation & Love Generation....two more great kimura takuya doramas
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject:
Gahhh, there are so many I want to watch. I can't even keep up with current dramas! I'm drowning... You should see this ridiculously long list of dramas I want to watch. I was actually thinking of watching Hero next. I've also heard good things about Engine. Man. He has been in so many dramas and I want to watch them all!!!
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject:
GodsGirl7 wrote:
Gahhh, there are so many I want to watch. I can't even keep up with current dramas! I'm drowning... You should see this ridiculously long list of dramas I want to watch. I was actually thinking of watching Hero next. I've also heard good things about Engine. Man. He has been in so many dramas and I want to watch them all!!!
well i don't wanna siderail the KAT-TUN thread...but i'll say i didn't care for Hero but most ppl loved it so you'll probably really like it a lot! ^_^
anyway, to make up for my off-topic ish...here's a pic
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:
Probably. But I've heard even more about Long Vacation. And it's my understanding that the writer of Long Vacation, Beautiful Life, and Orange Days is the writer of Kame's new drama. (See, a segue to get us back on topic! ) Makes me even more excited to see it. Cuz Sapuri was cute, and Kame was really cute in it, but it really was far from a stellar drama... And Itou Misaki, not so much...
Ahhh, a pretty pic. OMG, I am so going to miss Jin. I can't imagine not seeing him in pics or in performances anymore!
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject:
GodsGirl7 wrote:
Probably. But I've heard even more about Long Vacation. And it's my understanding that the writer of Long Vacation, Beautiful Life, and Orange Days is the writer of Kame's new drama. (See, a segue to get us back on topic! )
yeah her name is Eriko Kitagawa.....i'm sick of those older woman younger guy genre romances....so i am probably not going to watch Sapuri (i am a guy btw).....moreover, ppl have echoned your sentiments by saying that Sapuri wasn't that good.
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Ahhh, a pretty pic. OMG, I am so going to miss Jin. I can't imagine not seeing him in pics or in performances anymore!
yeah that whole Jin departure thing seems a bit weird, especially when the group seems to be hittin' their stride....especially given how popular he is.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject:
Ehhhh?! You're a guy?! I always get so surprised when I meet guys in places like this, LOL. And also impressed. There's so few guys that are brave enough to mingle with scary fangirls.
There really are a lot of dramas in that genre. It's true. Sometimes they're like Kimi wa Petto, which I absolutely loved. Even on the second viewing, I think I loved it even more. But Sapuri didn't really have an overarching plot besides the relationships between the characters. It was all pretty predictable too. It had its moments, but overall it's far from the best in the "older woman younger guy" genre, as you put it. I really did just watch it for Kame. Oh well... I'm dl'ing Anego right now (or I will be once the freakin wireless in my house decides to work), and then I plan to watch My Boss My Hero and Hero after that. Heh, awkward wording, but you know what I mean. I've heard all kinds of good things about MBMH so I'm kind of excited to watch it. I just wish the files weren't so huge.
The whole Jin thing is more than a bit weird. Did you read my post a couple pages back about it? Johnny must think we're all stupid if he thinks we're going to believe Jin just wants to study abroad.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject:
GodsGirl7 wrote:
Ehhhh?! You're a guy?! I always get so surprised when I meet guys in places like this, LOL. And also impressed. There's so few guys that are brave enough to mingle with scary fangirls.
i never come here i just wanted to chime in on the kame-takuya debate.
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There really are a lot of dramas in that genre. It's true. Sometimes they're like Kimi wa Petto, which I absolutely loved. Even on the second viewing, I think I loved it even more. But Sapuri didn't really have an overarching plot besides the relationships between the characters. It was all pretty predictable too. It had its moments, but overall it's far from the best in the "older woman younger guy" genre, as you put it. I really did just watch it for Kame. Oh well... I'm dl'ing Anego right now (or I will be once the freakin wireless in my house decides to work), and then I plan to watch My Boss My Hero and Hero after that. Heh, awkward wording, but you know what I mean. I've heard all kinds of good things about MBMH so I'm kind of excited to watch it. I just wish the files weren't so huge.
good luck with your downloads....
anego had it's good points...for me it was the acting of ryoko shinohara the female lead, for the most part.....yeah i wanna watch MBMH as well...i have it downloaded fortunately.
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The whole Jin thing is more than a bit weird. Did you read my post a couple pages back about it? Johnny must think we're all stupid if he thinks we're going to believe Jin just wants to study abroad.
i agree...the whole excuse stinks to high heaven....it sounds more contrived than the Bush administration saying Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction......
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject:
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i never come here i just wanted to chime in on the kame-takuya debate.
Ahahaha, that's awesome. I never post this much, but things got interesting, so. Usually I just skim over the posts and comment here and there. Where do you usually hang out?
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i agree...the whole excuse stinks to high heaven....it sounds more contrived than the Bush administration saying Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction......
it has b.s. written all over it.
For real. I mean, come on. The boy hasn't been in any dramas since Anego while Yamapi and Kame have been in like 50,000 dramas since then, those being the two I would equate to Jin in popularity, and we're not supposed to think anything's wrong with this picture? Plus the millions of rumors floating around, some ridiculous, some not so ridiculous. Hmmm. But of course he just wants to study abroad. EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE SEMESTER. Right.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject:
I'll gonna miss him .. gambarimasu yo! Akanishi-kun
though it's difficult for me to accept the truth that Jin will go abroad .. but I understand him .. he wants to go aborad because he wants to study ..
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject:
xyz wrote:
I'm interested to find out what is his exceptional talent and ability that draw these numbers. Expectation of great ability from him is inevitable. After all he got all kinds of rankings as you said. I've seen his acting and he's good but he's not the best. At any rate, I understand that people's views are subjective and I want to look at him objectively. I haven't seen what others saw is what I should say. Some say he's great. I think he's overrated and really there's no reason to cancel out the possibility that Kame or some other young stars will be 'the legend' eh?
As GodsGirl7 highlihted, in terms of acting and characterizing someone, he is exceptionnally good; you're just too blind with Kame to accept it. Can you tell me ojectively why Kame would deserve to be the most exposed member out of KAT-TUN? I think he's being the lucky guy recently, replacing Tackey's lead in Dream Boys or having duos like Shuuji to Akira, etc...
And objectively speaking, a lot of Takuya's dramas are amazingly well done with some of the finest storylines ever.
Ha, so you said he's overrated but I think you're among the few people who can't exactly look at things objectively when it comes to be the opposite of your tastes. I invite you to check his j-dorama's page and read comments from the 600 users who made him #1 here too.
And you're right! Why cancel the possibility of Kame being the next big thing? Every boxing man dreams to be the next Mohammed Ali... but who did?
GodsGirl7 >> (Notice that I'm a guy too...)
Well, the semester here started a week ago so there's some possibility he might study here in France. =)
Tu_triky >> I've had Anego for a year but I think the time has come for me to watch it... Yeah watch MBMH, Koki is so funny in this show.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject:
I love Kimi wa Petto! I'm going to watch episode 7 today. ^_^ Great show! Jun rocks!
As for Jin, I now have the mixed feelings of thinking he will return to thinking he won't. Which causes me to get depressed and cry when I watch a video or see pictures of him. x_x Sad, I know. Why would he study English in France? o.O;;;
i have no idea wad's going on now.. the posts are too long for me. gomen.
well. i did something about kame being the next kimura takuya and stuff. for me, i feel that each celeb has their own uniqueness. so we cant say that this is gonna be the replacement of another. since no one is replaceable and different. kame has his own strong points. i would say that he is different from kimura takuya and has his own style. so i wouldnt say that he is gonna be the next kimura takuya. he will just be the kamenashi that he is! =) but i have to say.. i lovee kimura takuya. heeeee.
and now whenever i hear kat-tun songs or jin's voice.. i wanna cry. it's so saddening. oh wells.
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oh my! where do you watch kimi wa petto?!!? im dying to watch that show!! but i cant find it.. ive only watched it till ep 2 cos that's all they had in youtube.. onegaishimasu!! _________________
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I can't even keep up with current dramas! I'm drowning... 
You should see this ridiculously long list of dramas I want to watch. I was actually thinking of watching Hero next. I've also heard good things about Engine. Man. He has been in so many dramas and I want to watch them all!!! 
