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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:49 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | Wynter wrote: |  	  | I love this drama.  I can't quite pinpoint what it is, tho.
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  I think it's because with most dramas you have a main protagonist, a main antagonist, and everybody else is shades of grey in between. With this drama you have 1 protagonist and everybody else are complete assholes, so you're waiting to see how/if everybody gets their just desserts!  |  |   
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | gaijin mark wrote: |  	  |  I think it's because with most dramas you have a main protagonist, a main antagonist, and everybody else is shades of grey in between. With this drama you have 1 protagonist and everybody else are complete assholes, so you're waiting to see how/if everybody gets their just desserts!  | 
 LOL, there is wall-to-wall conniving going on, that's for sure.
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:16 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | bmwracer wrote: |  	  | LOL, there is wall-to-wall conniving going on, that's for sure.
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 question: where did you guys score a subbed copy of this...was it subbed on broadcast tv?
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:24 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | Tu_triky wrote: |  	  | 
 question: where did you guys score a subbed copy of this...was it subbed on broadcast tv?
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  That is correct, Toshi. They were showing it on channel 44 earlier this year. I missed most of episode 1, so I never bothered to record it myself. Strangely enough, channel 18 was showing Haru to Natsu at about the same time. Racer was in heaven!!!  |  |   
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:26 am    Post subject: |    |   
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 They were showing it on channel 44 earlier this year. I missed most of episode 1, so I never bothered to record it myself. Strangely enough, channel 18 was showing Haru to Natsu at about the same time. Racer was in heaven!!!
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 I see your point...a double ryoko extravanganza.
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | Tu_triky wrote: |  	  | question: where did you guys score a subbed copy of this...was it subbed on broadcast tv? | 
 They did broadcast it locally on KXLA-44, but it had crappy subs with italicized Times Roman font.
   
 The one that Ralph and Wynter have is the Chinese/Taiwan(?) release that Ralph bought on yesasia... Better fonts, but poorly grammar-ed subs. And Chinese menus.
 
 I've got a copy of Ralph's version, but I re-authored it with English menus... But I have to redo everything, since that's about the time my HD crashed.
     
 Oh, and Geezer has a copy of my English-menued version.
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | bmwracer wrote: |  	  | They did broadcast it locally on KXLA-44, but it had crappy subs with italicized Times Roman font.
   
 The one that Ralph and Wynter have is the Chinese/Taiwan(?) release that Ralph bought on yesasia... Better fonts, but poorly grammar-ed subs. And Chinese menus.
 
 I've got a copy of Ralph's version, but I re-authored it with English menus... But I have to redo everything, since that's about the time my HD crashed.
     
 Oh, and Geezer has a copy of my English-menued version.
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 Let me ask this just as a matter of clarification....the broadcast on KXLA-44 was only crappy in the sense that you didn't care for way the subtitles were presented, right? Otherwise, they were fine...grammatically speaking, ne?
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | Tu_triky wrote: |  	  | Let me ask this just as a matter of clarification....the broadcast on KXLA-44 was only crappy in the sense that you didn't care for way the subtitles were presented, right? Otherwise, they were fine...grammatically speaking, ne? | 
 From what I recall, they seemed to be grammatically correct... But they were obnoxiously distracting.
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:36 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | bmwracer wrote: |  	  | From what I recall, they seemed to be grammatically correct... But they were obnoxiously distracting.
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 Thanks for your reply. I can understand your consternation but, for me, the incorrect grammar would be much more obnoxious than the  graphical presentation of the subs.
 
 I'm interested in watching this drama given its critical acclaim and the presence of Ryoko Yonekura & Reiko Takashima.
 
 Even now, I've only seen Ryoko in Pretty Girls which I thought was gosh awful...I need to put that behind me.
   
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | gaijin mark wrote: |  	  | I haven't watched at lot of dramas on channel 44 (I'm too busy watching Puffy on Hey! Hey! Music Champ  ) but I think that's how they sub all their dramas. | 
 
 I trust you and defer to your experience with regard to KXLA-44 dramas.  As I mentioned earlier I can deal with "weird looking" subs but if the grammar and translation is off that's a more serious problem.
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | Tu_triky wrote: |  	  | 
 Thanks for your reply. I can understand your consternation but, for me, the incorrect grammar would be much more obnoxious than the  graphical presentation of the subs.
 
 I'm interested in watching this drama given its critical acclaim and the presence of Ryoko Yonekura & Reiko Takashima.
 
 Even now, I've only seen Ryoko in Pretty Girls which I thought was gosh awful...I need to put that behind me.
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 I got my copy from Ralph as well.  It was something of a surprise in the package her sent me.
   
 You should really watch Seikei Bijin.  Ryoko-san did a grand job in that drama.
 
 I just finished watching epi 7.  FINALLY Fumino is gonna kick ass.  I've been waiting for her to burst for 6 epi's now.  And that dance instructor is a bad baaaaaaad boy.
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													 	  | Wynter wrote: |  	  | 
 You should really watch Seikei Bijin.  Ryoko-san did a grand job in that drama.
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 suspicions linger...you liked Kurosagi which i thought sucked ass.....
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:41 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | Tu_triky wrote: |  	  | I can deal with "weird looking" subs but if the grammar and translation is off that's a more serious problem. | 
  Me too, I remember the first subbed copy of GTO that I got was from Malaysia or someplace else, the guy that did the subs was so "english challenged" I was better off watching a non-subbed version!  |  |   
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:49 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | gaijin mark wrote: |  	  |  Me too, I remember the first subbed copy of GTO that I got was from Malaysia or someplace else, the guy that did the subs was so "english challenged" I was better off watching a non-subbed version!  | 
 
 well then you and i are compatriots in that regard...if the translation is so "off" as you mentioned...it's better not to torture one self by watching it.
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											|  Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: |    |   
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													 	  | Tu_triky wrote: |  	  | 
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 LOL!  This is true.  But then, I also said that I "enjoyed" Kurosagi,  but would prolly never watch it again.
 
 For Seikei Bijin, some parts annoyed the heck out of me, but in the end I liked the drama over all.  I suggested it to you purely for Ryoko's performance, since you mentioned that you'd only seen her in Pretty Girls.
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													 	  | Wynter wrote: |  	  | I suggested it to you purely for Ryoko's performance, since you mentioned that you'd only seen her in Pretty Girls.
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 I've lost track of what epi I'm on, but O MAN!  Going after the apartment, eh?
 
 O, and question.  Fumino never did open the bento box, did she?  Is that her ace, whatever is in it?  >>fidgits<<
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													 	  | Wynter wrote: |  	  | question.  Fumino never did open the bento box, did she?  Is that her ace, whatever is in it?  >>fidgits<<
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