The Three Kingdoms

[Jaegal_Maut]

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wow.. a thread for three kingdoms
the last game i played was DW 4 and Romance of the Three Kingdoms VIII on ps2...
Now i have mostly forgotten all only remember the Yellow Turban - Zhang Jiao
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[Jaegal_Maut]

kami_kaze wrote:

wow.. a thread for three kingdoms the last game i played was DW 4 and Romance of the Three Kingdoms VIII on ps2... Now i have mostly forgotten all only remember the Yellow Turban - Zhang Jiao

the one with monkey-like face and the ability to cast fire from his staff ne~ he sure are interesting figure with lots of follower, even the alliance has to be banded to drive-away his rebellion
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Jaegal_Maut wrote:

the one with monkey-like face and the ability to cast fire from his staff ne~ he sure are interesting figure with lots of follower, even the alliance has to be banded to drive-away his rebellion

Zhang Jiao is really a clever man,which is not surprising cause he's a scholar anyway.He just got so troubled about the corruption in the inner palace that he retreated to the mountain.There he met the great man Nan Hua,who gave him"The Way Of Peace" and left.Zhang Jiao read the book,and decided to use that book(which contains just philosophical facts)
to gather the common ppl and prepared them for war.Well of course he succeeded since the ppl were leaving horrid lives thanks to the greed of the Ten Enunchs.But he's a lucky man as well.Think of the generals that served him.He had good fighters like his two brothers Zhang Liang and Zhang Bao,Alos he had Guan Xun and Zhou Cang.That's pretty impressive for a bunch of rebels.

Ok let's have a question that have a wider range of answers...hmmm ok.Which of these three war scenes do you think that caused the greatest upset(a smaller army defeating a much bigger one)?

Is it the battle of Guan Du Castle where Cao Cao burned the granary of Yuan Shao to create panic within his camps,thus allowing Cao Cao to attack them when their morale is low?

Is it the battle of Chi Bi(which need no introduction) where Cao Cao's 8M armies suffered great damage under the hands of an unpredicted fire attack?

Or is it the battle of He Fei where Zhang Liao's bravery and intelligence stalled Sun Quan's massive armies and also caused the injury that eventually took the life of Taishi Ci?

I chose He Fei because it shows that Zhang Liao is a one-of-a-kind general.He is a warrior to reckon with,yet when you need him to plot a strategy he is able to plot a decent one.But lucky for Zhang Liao as well...if Lu Meng wasn't busy attacking JingZhou Zhang Liao wouldn't be able to achieve that famous victory.

[ThyGriever]

ben_galahad wrote:

Zhang Jiao is really a clever man,which is not surprising cause he's a scholar anyway.He just got so troubled about the corruption in the inner palace that he retreated to the mountain.There he met the great man Nan Hua,who gave him"The Way Of Peace" and left.Zhang Jiao read the book,and decided to use that book(which contains just philosophical facts) to gather the common ppl and prepared them for war.Well of course he succeeded since the ppl were leaving horrid lives thanks to the greed of the Ten Enunchs.But he's a lucky man as well.Think of the generals that served him.He had good fighters like his two brothers Zhang Liang and Zhang Bao,Alos he had Guan Xun and Zhou Cang.That's pretty impressive for a bunch of rebels. Ok let's have a question that have a wider range of answers...hmmm ok.Which of these three war scenes do you think that caused the greatest upset(a smaller army defeating a much bigger one)? Is it the battle of Guan Du Castle where Cao Cao burned the granary of Yuan Shao to create panic within his camps,thus allowing Cao Cao to attack them when their morale is low? Is it the battle of Chi Bi(which need no introduction) where Cao Cao's 8M armies suffered great damage under the hands of an unpredicted fire attack? Or is it the battle of He Fei where Zhang Liao's bravery and intelligence stalled Sun Quan's massive armies and also caused the injury that eventually took the life of Taishi Ci? I chose He Fei because it shows that Zhang Liao is a one-of-a-kind general.He is a warrior to reckon with,yet when you need him to plot a strategy he is able to plot a decent one.But lucky for Zhang Liao as well...if Lu Meng wasn't busy attacking JingZhou Zhang Liao wouldn't be able to achieve that famous victory.

how about lu bu beating off 3 generals at the same time then retreating after he was tired. I dont remember anyone else in the book lasting as long as him.

[ben_galahad]

ThyGriever wrote:

how about lu bu beating off 3 generals at the same time then retreating after he was tired. I dont remember anyone else in the book lasting as long as him.

Lu Bu was crazy at Hu Lao Gate.Dispatching seemingly powerful generals such as Wu Anguo with such ease isn't something that many can do...so being able to hold off Guan Yu and Zhang Fei even after fighting for so many rounds...I give Lu Bu credit.It seems that the difference in war ability between Lu Bu and Guan Yu is very big...

Actually did you all know that Lu Bu is a Mongolian?!?He came from Inner Mongolia and was spotted by Ding Yuan via a trip there.

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ben_galahad wrote:

Lu Bu was crazy at Hu Lao Gate.Dispatching seemingly powerful generals such as Wu Anguo with such ease isn't something that many can do...so being able to hold off Guan Yu and Zhang Fei even after fighting for so many rounds...I give Lu Bu credit.It seems that the difference in war ability between Lu Bu and Guan Yu is very big... Actually did you all know that Lu Bu is a Mongolian?!?He came from Inner Mongolia and was spotted by Ding Yuan via a trip there.

Lol that's interesting! I never knew that. I must have missed that in the book. But sterotypes claim to say that Mongolians are great fighters, right?

Guan Yu is the 'God of War' because of his true to honor identity and overwhelming battle skills. However, Lu Bu isn't honorable or smart but I think his battle skills outmatch any in his prime. Do you think Lu Bu would be an unstoppable force if he was given brains/smarts? As I recall, Lu Bu had a very smart strategist with him. His strategist kept him alive but then Lu Bu ignored his advice in the end, leading to his death. But if they had cooperated, who knows what kind of havoc Lu Bu could have achieved. Plus, the great Zhang Liao was in the service of Lu Bu at this time. A great tag team if there was one.

And another scenario is when Cao Cao was about to execute Lu Bu. Bu said he could work with Cao Cao and defeat all his enemies. Cao Cao obviously made the right decision in not trusting him but I cant imagine how powerful Cao Cao's army would be with Lu Bu.

[ben_galahad]

ThyGriever wrote:

Lol that's interesting! I never knew that. I must have missed that in the book. But sterotypes claim to say that Mongolians are great fighters, right? Guan Yu is the 'God of War' because of his true to honor identity and overwhelming battle skills. However, Lu Bu isn't honorable or smart but I think his battle skills outmatch any in his prime. Do you think Lu Bu would be an unstoppable force if he was given brains/smarts? As I recall, Lu Bu had a very smart strategist with him. His strategist kept him alive but then Lu Bu ignored his advice in the end, leading to his death. But if they had cooperated, who knows what kind of havoc Lu Bu could have achieved. Plus, the great Zhang Liao was in the service of Lu Bu at this time. A great tag team if there was one. And another scenario is when Cao Cao was about to execute Lu Bu. Bu said he could work with Cao Cao and defeat all his enemies. Cao Cao obviously made the right decision in not trusting him but I cant imagine how powerful Cao Cao's army would be with Lu Bu.

You must be talking about Chen Gong.he's a very very good strategist but he refused to help Cao Cao.His story is rather complex...apparently he was the one who released Cao Cao when his attempt to assassinate Dong Zhuo failed.But he left him after he realised how ruthless Cao Cao could get to achieve his goals.

But Lu Bu just refused to listen to him.Stubborn.He thinks he had unparallel strength,and that's enough to win Cao Cao anyday.But shortly before he died...he realised that brute strength can't win him battles but it was too late afterall.He also did not listen to Zhang Liao too much,instead choosing to listen to generals like Song Xian.

But that's not unusual.Most of the warriors in history are very stubborn.So that's why advisors are always more valuable than warriors.I give you Zhuge Liang and Lu Bu...who will you enlist?

[ThyGriever]

ben_galahad wrote:

You must be talking about Chen Gong.he's a very very good strategist but he refused to help Cao Cao.His story is rather complex...apparently he was the one who released Cao Cao when his attempt to assassinate Dong Zhuo failed.But he left him after he realised how ruthless Cao Cao could get to achieve his goals. But Lu Bu just refused to listen to him.Stubborn.He thinks he had unparallel strength,and that's enough to win Cao Cao anyday.But shortly before he died...he realised that brute strength can't win him battles but it was too late afterall.He also did not listen to Zhang Liao too much,instead choosing to listen to generals like Song Xian. But that's not unusual.Most of the warriors in history are very stubborn.So that's why advisors are always more valuable than warriors.I give you Zhuge Liang and Lu Bu...who will you enlist?

both!

I want smarts but I need a guy to wipe out my enemies!

[Jaegal_Maut]

ben_galahad wrote:

But Lu Bu just refused to listen to him.Stubborn.He thinks he had unparallel strength,and that's enough to win Cao Cao anyday.But shortly before he died...he realised that brute strength can't win him battles but it was too late afterall.He also did not listen to Zhang Liao too much,instead choosing to listen to generals like Song Xian. But that's not unusual.Most of the warriors in history are very stubborn.So that's why advisors are always more valuable than warriors.I give you Zhuge Liang and Lu Bu...who will you enlist?

If I were in the three kingdom wars I choose Zhuge Liang, well its pretty obvious that in mass-scale war like three kingdoms sole power isn't the key to victory but rather to exploit your enemy weaknesses by gaining info about your enemy and making very-well-thought plan, so indeed to achieve victory brains comes more important than brawn

Lu Bu is pretty stubborn, he's like thinking everything could be gain by force.. Yes most of the warriors are pretty stuborn because they viciously train their physicall skill each and every day so their brain isn't well
trained I guess

About your previous question I choose battle of Hei Fei too, seeing Zhang Liao like that:mrgreen:

Now its my turn to raise the question, what's your fav moment in three kindom??
For me its when Zhang Fei hold up aginst 1 million man in the bridge(forgot the name) in order to protect Liu Bei
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[K.T.Tran]

ben_galahad wrote:

who will you enlist?

I would put in Sun Ce, Zhang You was it?? Sun Ce's buddy...and then put in Gan Ning Well least from what I read bout the man, he's pretty damn good. Good enough to make Guan Yu fear him
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Jaegal_Maut wrote:

Now its my turn to raise the question, what's your fav moment in three kindom?? For me its when Zhang Fei hold up aginst 1 million man in the bridge(forgot the name) in order to protect Liu Bei

That was the battle of Chang Ban bridge,which was located somewhere outside of Xiang Yang.Eh...1 million men is too big...rather I say that he killed around 10 soldiers and a few generals of Cao Cao since each of them came one by one against Zhang Fei,and it's pretty obvious whose's the victor in those one-on-one situations.But that battle the spotlight was given to Zhao Yun for his extraordinary war ability and stamina.The book I read told me that he killed a few thousands soldiers and around 50 minor generals in around 2 hours.Don't he get tired?!?

Regarding the question...I chose not a battle,but the first moment when Zhuge Liang went to Wu as an envoy of Liu Bei in preparations of he battle of Chi Bi.When he proposed about allying with Wu to wage war with Liu Bei,a lot of generals started to question his motive one by one.A 'war of words' happened.But Zhuge Liang rubbished their doubts while praising Liu Bei's wisdom at the same time.Even Sun Quan was stunned by the tactfulness of Zhuge Liang that he immediately went to counsel Zhou Yu.

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I would put in Sun Ce, Zhang You was it?? Sun Ce's buddy...and then put in Gan Ning Well least from what I read bout the man, he's pretty damn good. Good enough to make Guan Yu fear him

First thing first,welcome to the thread!!!I'm glad that more ppl are posting heer these days.Now ppl out there,why not join in?You might think you don't have enough knowledge on this to join in but that's what this thread's for.We'll learn from each other!!!So join in will you?!?

I think you are saying about Zhou Yu,Sun Ce's sworn brother and the one who started the revival of the Sun family after the death of The Tiger of Jiang Nan,Sun Jian.Nothing much to say about him.He can fight,he's very good in military tactics and he got one of China's prettiest women in the form of Xiao Qiao as his wife.He virtually has everything...

Gan Ning is one of the best fighters around.After the death of Lu Bu,Guan Yu was "unofficially" crowned as the best fighter living.So as he won more battles,the more arrogant he was.He thought only a handful of enemy generals,which included Xiahou Dun,Xu Zhu and Taishi Ci can match him.Then suddenly you fought with a pirate called Gan Ning and he furthermore ambushed you!!!Now that's pretty bad for your reputation right?I feel that it isn't fear,but rather respect that Guan Yu showed to Gan Ning,the respect that he acknowledged that Gan Ning is no normal general and must be handled carefully.

But how did Gan Ning died?!?I feel like asking that question.The answer is pretty ironic...

[K.T.Tran]

ben_galahad wrote:

But how did Gan Ning died?!?I feel like asking that question.The answer is pretty ironic...

The info that Wiki put down was that he died from illness. In the game, he died because Sha Moke shot an arrow at his head.....

Well thats what i got from that site. I haven't read the book, so i don't know if the book gave a story to his death. But yea, Gan Ning is insane
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K.T.Tran wrote:

The info that Wiki put down was that he died from illness. In the game, he died because Sha Moke shot an arrow at his head..... Well thats what i got from that site. I haven't read the book, so i don't know if the book gave a story to his death. But yea, Gan Ning is insane

In this case...the game got the better of Wikipedia.From the book...Gan Ning was shot at the battle of Yi Ling...where Liu Bei was trying to get revenge for the death of Guan Yu.Whether it was Shamoke himself or one of his soldiers...that I have no idea.But Shamoke was the man mainly responsible for his death.

Speaking of Shamoke...do you know about the generals of Meng Huo?Those generals like King Duo Si and Wu Tugu...they are prety fun to read about.

[K.T.Tran]

ben_galahad wrote:

In this case...the game got the better of Wikipedia.From the book...Gan Ning was shot at the battle of Yi Ling...where Liu Bei was trying to get revenge for the death of Guan Yu.Whether it was Shamoke himself or one of his soldiers...that I have no idea.But Shamoke was the man mainly responsible for his death. Speaking of Shamoke...do you know about the generals of Meng Huo?Those generals like King Duo Si and Wu Tugu...they are prety fun to read about.

So Gan Ning was shot down in the book too huh??? Well this is old legend, folktale, or so....i guess we can't be 100% sure of all the deaths of these guys.

I just wonder why these generals that are some what a big deal so freaking weak in the games. Unless they're generals from either of the 3 kingdoms or main folks like Lu Bu....they're just worthless
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K.T.Tran wrote:

The info that Wiki put down was that he died from illness. In the game, he died because Sha Moke shot an arrow at his head..... Well thats what i got from that site. I haven't read the book, so i don't know if the book gave a story to his death. But yea, Gan Ning is insane

I love this part because there is divine punishment! I love Gan Ning - in the game, Sun Quan said if Cao Cao has Zhang Liao then Wu has Gan Ning. Quite a praise altho it might not be real. Everytime Gan Ning appears, the game goes into havoc and someone loses a lot of morale

Back to divine punishment! Newaiz, EVERYONE hates Sha Moke because he's an unheard of general and hit Gan Ning in the back. But RIGHT AFTER, ZHOU TAI CUTS THAT SUCKA DOWN! Great time to say that Shamoke got owned. The book also says that Sha Moke was killed about right after he killed Gan Ning. And as cool as Zhou Tai is, we get a feeling of relief that Gan Ning was avenged.

*This is probably right because books should state who killed who unless someone lied about a kill. However, the person will still remain dead

Tribute:

*Zhou Tai*

*Gan Ning*

*Sha Moke*

On other boards, they made jokes on new characters for DW. They said Sha Moke should be in the new DW and his special move is that he gets an instant kill with his bow if he hits anyone in the back

[ben_galahad]

ThyGriever wrote:

On other boards, they made jokes on new characters for DW. They said Sha Moke should be in the new DW and his special move is that he gets an instant kill with his bow if he hits anyone in the back

That sounds fun!!!Shamoke as a playable character...that wil be cool!!!But the arrow part sounds a bit off...it's as if they are trying to say that the only thing Shamoke can do is shoot someone on their back...

K.T.Tran wrote:

I just wonder why these generals that are some what a big deal so freaking weak in the games. Unless they're generals from either of the 3 kingdoms or main folks like Lu Bu....they're just worthless

DW hasn't been generous with many many generals.There are so many out there that deserved to be a playable character.For all of Guo Jia's intelligence...he is only seen in one scene in DW5!!!And what about Deng Ai and Zhong Hui?They protrayed Zhong Hui as a warrior when in actual fact he's a pure strategist who knows nothing about handling a weapon.Deng Ai is no doubt one of the more balanced generals who walked in China at that period and yet he isn't playable.

But you got to pity Koei.With such a large base of generals...they can't make all the better-than-average ppl as playable characters right?If they did that then we'll have about a 100 playable characters!!!

[Jaegal_Maut]

K.T.Tran wrote:

I just wonder why these generals that are some what a big deal so freaking weak in the games. Unless they're generals from either of the 3 kingdoms or main folks like Lu Bu....they're just worthless

Yeah not all generals are strong, I think thats because KOEI needs a balance beetwen power through the game and also its because the limitation that PS2 has, it requires a humongous memory space to actually make each general equall in concept of power and availibilty, I think if DW is really made as PC game, it will have much wider option

Speaking of archer, I really like Huang Zhong, because he could laaunch multiple arrows at a time.. sugoi..
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[ThyGriever]

Jaegal_Maut wrote:

Yeah not all generals are strong, I think thats because KOEI needs a balance beetwen power through the game and also its because the limitation that PS2 has, it requires a humongous memory space to actually make each general equall in concept of power and availibilty, I think if DW is really made as PC game, it will have much wider option Speaking of archer, I really like Huang Zhong, because he could laaunch multiple arrows at a time.. sugoi..

DW BB (Japan) or something like that is online and you can make your own characters. So in a way, it'll be balanced. However, I believe you can meet bots of the main characters (Guan Yu & Lu Bu) which'll probably be way stronger than you'll ever be

All characters cant be equal cause it'd be no fun. Their powers are based on a certain area or a totalled balanced character. That's why you pick the ones with the moves you like, cause some are cooler than others lol

[Jaegal_Maut]

ThyGriever wrote:

DW BB (Japan) or something like that is online and you can make your own characters. So in a way, it'll be balanced. However, I believe you can meet bots of the main characters (Guan Yu & Lu Bu) which'll probably be way stronger than you'll ever be All characters cant be equal cause it'd be no fun. Their powers are based on a certain area or a totalled balanced character. That's why you pick the ones with the moves you like, cause some are cooler than others lol

SO DW has an online game ne~, wow that would be pretty cool to make my own char and make my way into respectable general in 3K, meeting Lu Bu's bot? thats pretty much a suicide

About the invention in 3K, my fav will go to the juggernaut, those lion-shaped-flame-throwing-cart is pretty effective against the enemy ne(although in DW is pretty much annoying)
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