Hmm, I don't think they struggled for 7 years. It seems like everybody has kinda forgotten how lucky Arashi were to actually have debuted in Hawaii, on a luxury yacht! And media frenzy were high for Arashi at that time, they were on the front page of every major papers! And ARASHI actually sold 500k in the first week (which actually broke KinKi Kids' Garasu no Shounen at that time before KAT-TUN broke Arashi's with Real Face), which is like higher than most debuted JE groups (which includes Kanjani8 who only had like only 150k or so for Naniwa Iroha Bushi, and of course a debut conference on a rooftop of their record label among so many unfair things, now that's what I call really struggling!). All in all, Arashi had been pretty lucky and the jimusho paid A LOT of attention to them.
The only thing is that they kinda went downhill after their 3rd or 4th single, and people thought they're kind of a past thing. However, HYD2, Nino in Hollywood movie and 2006-2007 brought them back to the top of JE. That's how I see it anyway. They didn't struggle for 7 years, but more like they struggled to GET BACK TO THE TOP and finally did it.
yup, you pretty much summed it up. I don't think they are forgetting, just uninformed .
However, the Arashi members weren't actually excited about their debut. Sho was contemplating on focussing on his study rather than walking the idol path. Nino had hidden a stash of money to go to Hollywood and study directing/acting. Ohno had already handed in his letter of resignation to Kitagawa. You can say they were tricked into debuting. Lucky for them it worked and each member managed to realised their initial dream by being Arashi.
Have to give props to the man that recognized their potential right from the beginning.
The "unfair" treatment was also lavished upon other JE groups after Arashi like KATTUN's and HSJ. Its great that the Kansai boys did magnificently without the silver spoon treatment.
After all the hype, Arashi popularity did went down after only the 4th single. They only managed to get their momentum back after 2006 starting with Wish (15th single). It still took them awhile to get back on top.
First of all, monta..you're got a very cool and nice avie there!
monta wrote:
*read back a few posts*
IMO it actually is a Johnny's factor. it's the thing with boybands when they release something, it's always more than a version, so girls tend to buy both. even if MatsuJun couldn't sing any better than William Hung, i bet poeple would still buy his CD.
do you mean, you agree with me monta, or not? just kidding..mate. just kidding....don't think it...just kidding
monta wrote:
and... when a song is average (or crappy) but the sales are high, wouldn't anyone wonder why people are buying (or still buying) the daymn CD? I mean, if it were me, for instance, let's say i've never listened to Arashi before and decided to buy their latest CD after looking at the sales chart and found that they were at the no1 spot, i would've been pissed and thought that i've just waisted approx.1,000yen.
so are you offended by Fye or are you just pissed because Fye made you realize that you just wasted 1,155yen ? (<- tax bla bla bla not included) . well, of course it's not a waste to you.
OMG..this is what I actually think before. and you said it on behalf of myself.
monta wrote:
omg, your so not fun Fye. say something back. she's critisizing your taste.
Thats why I said "such a cool answer" I don't mind someone critisizing my taste. As I said before, this is an open thread and everyone is free to go out with their opinion and speak out what they think. I don't have to pretend that I don't like this and this, and then say "Oh..I love him! I love this!" If I don't like, I say it straightforward but yes, not every people like it.
monta wrote:
if you don't like it then just say it
I've said it before. and looks like maybe I'm not the only one on this
monta wrote:
lol like in the other thread. i actually find it funny when people get offended when someone points out something that another person thinks is a fact. i mean, it's a fact
I repeat the same thing as arashiawase did.. "the fact will remain a fact". but sometimes, people can't accept the fact even though they know that is the fact..because fact sometimes is very hurt and bring much pain inside. thats it
Hmm, I don't think they struggled for 7 years. It seems like everybody has kinda forgotten how lucky Arashi were to actually have debuted in Hawaii, on a luxury yacht! And media frenzy were high for Arashi at that time, they were on the front page of every major papers! And ARASHI actually sold 500k in the first week (which actually broke KinKi Kids' Garasu no Shounen at that time before KAT-TUN broke Arashi's with Real Face), which is like higher than most debuted JE groups (which includes Kanjani8 who only had like only 150k or so for Naniwa Iroha Bushi, and of course a debut conference on a rooftop of their record label among so many unfair things, now that's what I call really struggling!). All in all, Arashi had been pretty lucky and the jimusho paid A LOT of attention to them.
The only thing is that they kinda went downhill after their 3rd or 4th single, and people thought they're kind of a past thing. However, HYD2, Nino in Hollywood movie and 2006-2007 brought them back to the top of JE. That's how I see it anyway. They didn't struggle for 7 years, but more like they struggled to GET BACK TO THE TOP and finally did it.
Thats why I said "such a cool answer" I don't mind someone critisizing my taste. As I said before, this is an open thread and everyone is free to go out with their opinion and speak out what they think. I don't have to pretend that I don't like this and this, and then say "Oh..I love him! I love this!" If I don't like, I say it straightforward but yes, not every people like it.
I repeat the same thing as arashiawase did.. "the fact will remain a fact". but sometimes, people can't accept the fact even though they know that is the fact..because fact sometimes is very hurt and bring much pain inside. thats it
right back to you sistah! Although I was NOT criticising your taste, I'm criticising you discrediting Arashi triumphant 1st day sales. Just to make it clear, I'm very aware that generally the song is not well received by j-entertainment regular commentors.
The facts have been posted clearly in my previous comment. Hope you read all of it and hopefully it didn't hurt as bad
Sorry Fye-san for being a pain but its just not in me to bow down easily in a debate and I'm just naturally bitchy that way
Minna-san(Everybody), please do continue with your usual rambles. Its very unusual for me to post much in jdorama but I'm loitering here just to rebuke a misleading claim. I do like the good mix of posters here that consist of fans of other artiste rather than just Arashi fans. You guys represents interesting different perspective on Arashi. I just don't want new fans to be misinformed.
My stay here is overdue. Thank you for reading my blabs.
Chiao
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:
monta wrote:
I mean, if it were me, for instance, let's say i've never listened to Arashi before and decided to buy their latest CD after looking at the sales chart and found that they were at the no1 spot, i would've been pissed and thought that i've just waisted approx.1,000yen.
haha this is kinda weird. i mean, assuming someone is somehow cut off from hearing even a preview of the song (maybe the radio station the person listens to doesn't play it) but goes into a music store and blindly decides to drop their money on whatever single is number 1 (without considering what their taste in music is) then they probably deserve to be ripped off if they dont like the single. even if the person is a risk taker and wanted to try something new without knowing a thing about it, then they ought to know what they're risking.
but anyway, i hope im not coming off all serious. actually that situation was just so ridiculous, it cracked me up just thinking of reasons why someone would buy a number 1 single without hearing a bit of it at all . lol
as for SaG, i think its catchy and all, but its not the best. however, i wasn't fond of a bunch of arashi songs when i first heard them, but then i end up liking them. im sure i'll like it soon enough. eventually _________________
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject:
i have to agree with all of ur guys..well not all hehe ..we have to accept for what ever that had happened..i agree with what WD said that they struggled back to be on the top..for me after their first album they went down a lot to the stage im myself kinda forget bout them..but their first single really means a lot to me..that's the reason why i keep on listening to them.
i think all the members really work hard to achieve what they got this days and thanks to HYD too that makes people to loves arashi more..i read lotsa fans got hooked up because of HYD -> Jun -> wish/love so sweet (becos of the theme song)....its true that they debut in Hawaii and so on..even K8 members said they were jealous of it..but still they went to a downhill for sometimes and had to struggled back improve themselves and archive what they have todays..its hard to remain on the top forever there must be some up's and down's..
i only wish that all fans could keep on supporting them no matter what...its hard to fulfill all things that the fans want..i sometime hates their concept too,to the extend im asking what the hell im listening to and what are they doing to themselves hahaha but still i know i love them hehee _________________
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right back to you sistah! Although I was NOT criticising your taste, I'm criticising you discrediting Arashi triumphant 1st day sales. Just to make it clear, I'm very aware that generally the song is not well received by j-entertainment regular commentors.
The facts have been posted clearly in my previous comment. Hope you read all of it and hopefully it didn't hurt as bad
Sorry Fye-san for being a pain but its just not in me to bow down easily in a debate and I'm just naturally bitchy that way
back to me Maybe.
arashiawase wrote:
Minna-san(Everybody), please do continue with your usual rambles. Its very unusual for me to post much in jdorama but I'm loitering here just to rebuke a misleading claim. I do like the good mix of posters here that consist of fans of other artiste rather than just Arashi fans. You guys represents interesting different perspective on Arashi. I just don't want new fans to be misinformed.
My stay here is overdue. Thank you for reading my blabs.
Chiao
do please come here again next time. its fun to debate with you here~
haha this is kinda weird. i mean, assuming someone is somehow cut off from hearing even a preview of the song (maybe the radio station the person listens to doesn't play it) but goes into a music store and blindly decides to drop their money on whatever single is number 1 (without considering what their taste in music is) then they probably deserve to be ripped off if they dont like the single. even if the person is a risk taker and wanted to try something new without knowing a thing about it, then they ought to know what they're risking.
but anyway, i hope im not coming off all serious. actually that situation was just so ridiculous, it cracked me up just thinking of reasons why someone would buy a number 1 single without hearing a bit of it at all . lol
*shocked* . actually, you have a point! LOL.
lol i guess this is an effect of the fact that i don't often buy CDs. and i usually download anything that reaches no1 in the oricon even if i don't know who they are. . true they deserve to be ripped, but they'll still be pissed and regret it.
and again, anyone could've done a "hey, that's the dude from HYD! *pays at the cashier*" _________________
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:07 am Post subject:
about the struggling thing, of course arashi do struggle.
like ohno and nino wanted to quit at their first year in arashi because they only getting 1 hour to 30 minutes of sleep every day. ohno felt that he was not welcome by the fans so he made extra effort to be liked. aiba's lungs collapsed, he felt the other members were covering for him and he was ashamed by it. nino continued to performed in their iza now concert despite of his poor health condition and he was immediately sent to hospital for check-up every end of the concert. matsumoto accepted the role of domyouji despite being reluctant to do it but he did it for the sake of arashi releasing a single, he knew he would be criticized because he knew he was not fitted to the role but he still did it for arashi (btw, he was acknowledge by ohno as the one who love arashi the most). and can you imagine doing all those variety shows, recordings, concerts, etc. while attending university like sho did? i couldn't even think of having a part time job when i was studying.
yes, johnny's jimusho gives a lot of attention to arashi, it's because the company knows how realible the boys are and they really put a lot of effort in everything they do. _________________
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:59 am Post subject:
*applauds after reading Mavic's post* XDDD
mavic0910 wrote:
and can you imagine doing all those variety shows, recordings, concerts, etc. while attending university like sho did? i couldn't even thought of having a part time job when i was studying.
I'm with you on this one. I really can't understand how did he manage to do all that for 4 years! I used to study and work at the same time for 2 years or so (class in the morning and work in the afternoons/evenings and weekends) and I ended up quitting school 'cause I really couldn't keep that pace, my grades dropped a lot since I barely had time to study and do my homework~ And you can't even compare high school with university! XDD That's why I admire Sho so much <333 _________________
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:14 am Post subject:
Hikaru Sakurai wrote:
*applauds after reading Mavic's post* XDDD
I'm with you on this one. I really can't understand how did he manage to do all that for 4 years! I used to study and work at the same time for 2 years or so (class in the morning and work in the afternoons/evenings and weekends) and I ended up quitting school 'cause I really couldn't keep that pace, my grades dropped a lot since I barely had time to study and do my homework~ And you can't even compare high school with university! XDD That's why I admire Sho so much <333
i've read an article before when a junior asked him how was it attending university while doing all those idol stuff and i can't believe he said that it wasn't hard at all, he also added that high school was more difficult. btw, i saw your picture with arashi's "step and go" and i must say you looked like a rock star.
i won't be receiving my "step and go" until a month after its release day because yesasia despite of being near my country, takes a month to deliver my orders. _________________
Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 5042 Location: where the sun never stop shining
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject:
wow that was alot to take in
but i woulshave to say i guess we ll ahave to fall and get back up some how or the other
atleast they came back
but sho i give a high five and we;; a lot morethat he went to school and sing and work if and work (part time) if im not mistaken
i can't even to that now
but it all over now just better tocome now i say _________________
Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 219 Location: somewhere in the world
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:
amyhisashi wrote:
so, the debate is over?
i guess its over hehehe..
emm...let just love each other okeh..
coz we would never know how the boys really struggle to be at the top
and it us fans who should keep on supporting them so that they know
that its worth for them to do so.. _________________
Thanks Hikaru-san...They did a good job ne...
i like "Fuyu wo Dakishimete" very much...
Btw, i'm not here for long time because i have a hard time with study...sorry...
i've passed it and got good news, i'm become to PhD student now...
Like Sho did, i admire him with his study. then i do my best too.
PS. do anyone have Kisarazu cat's eye movie softsub? i want it... _________________
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 83 Location: California, USA
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:48 am Post subject:
yah, the guys definitely worked hard to get where they are. Especially early on when some of the guys wanted to quit because it wasn't going right for them but for one reason or another they decided to stay. Then when i think about the status they've reached now, its really awesome. it makes me not want to give up on some things that are going on in my life (as corny as that may sound )
monta wrote:
*shocked* . actually, you have a point! LOL.
lol i guess this is an effect of the fact that i don't often buy CDs. and i usually download anything that reaches no1 in the oricon even if i don't know who they are. . true they deserve to be ripped, but they'll still be pissed and regret it.
and again, anyone could've done a "hey, that's the dude from HYD! *pays at the cashier*"
haha youre shocked? but i agree. i never said that they can't be pissed. i'd be pissed if i bought something i didn't like or was not what i expected
but i will admit i've had my share of "OMG i think so and so eats this wasabi flavored ice cream, i have to try it!" or purchases similar to it _________________
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just kidding..mate. just kidding....don't think it...just kidding 
and you said it on behalf of myself.
Although I was NOT criticising your taste, I'm criticising you discrediting Arashi triumphant 1st day sales. Just to make it clear, I'm very aware that generally the song is not well received by j-entertainment regular commentors.
im sure i'll like it soon enough. eventually 
..probably there is someone who did fall for that..who knows 
