Gomen, I don't really remember. I'm sure I usually end up repeating points that have already been made since I usually don't read comments too far back before posting myself. Lets just say I babble on about stuff that's already been brought up at times
Well then you're in keeping with most other members who don't look beyond the last post...
By not having the police involved it takes away a lot of the realism/reality of the drama... What's been said in previous posts is how can so many people know about this DV/stalker situation and not one of them reports it to the police... It doesn't make sense and is almost ridiculous.
Actually, it's really not. To us Americans it is, but...
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So I live in Japan. About a year ago I was waiting for the train, around 11 pm. There were lots of people waiting on the platform and suddenly I saw this couple- they must have been in their early 20s- start fighting. Well, more like the guy was beating the woman down. I saw him kick her in the side a couple of times then punch her. I REALLY wanted to get involved, but I'm a girl and who knows what might have happened. Also my Japanese skills at that time were quite shit, so I didn't have the confidence to call the cops. So all I wound up doing was walking over to where these 2 were and staring the bastard down. You wanna know what everyone else in this station was doing? NOTHING! They looked over, saw the guy beating the crap out of this girl, then just averted their eyes. I'm 100% sure no cops were called.
I've been in other, less serious situations here where the Japanese around have done nothing to intervene. I'm reallly not surprised no one is doing anything about Sousuke.
Back home (in the US) me and my mom were on the road and saw an incident of some boy beating his girl up in their car. We trailed them, got their license plate and called the cops. We waited there too while the cops came and talked with the guy. Something like that would NEVER EVER happen in Japan.
Actually, it's really not. To us Americans it is, but...
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So I live in Japan. About a year ago I was waiting for the train, around 11 pm. There were lots of people waiting on the platform and suddenly I saw this couple- they must have been in their early 20s- start fighting. Well, more like the guy was beating the woman down. I saw him kick her in the side a couple of times then punch her. I REALLY wanted to get involved, but I'm a girl and who knows what might have happened. Also my Japanese skills at that time were quite shit, so I didn't have the confidence to call the cops. So all I wound up doing was walking over to where these 2 were and staring the bastard down. You wanna know what everyone else in this station was doing? NOTHING! They looked over, saw the guy beating the crap out of this girl, then just averted their eyes. I'm 100% sure no cops were called.
I've been in other, less serious situations here where the Japanese around have done nothing to intervene. I'm reallly not surprised no one is doing anything about Sousuke.
Back home (in the US) me and my mom were on the road and saw an incident of some boy beating his girl up in their car. We trailed them, got their license plate and called the cops. We waited there too while the cops came and talked with the guy. Something like that would NEVER EVER happen in Japan.
It's common here to see women getting slapped by their signficant other. I've also seen the other side of the coin where the woman is beating the crap out of their bf or husband. People do indeed do nothing but the public beatings is nothing extreme like Sousuke from what I've seen. Yes, it is the Japanese culture and it isn't like the USA. In my opinion, the US culture is way way worse.
It's common here to see women getting slapped by their signficant other. I've also seen the other side of the coin where the woman is beating the crap out of their bf or husband. People do indeed do nothing but the public beatings is nothing extreme like Sousuke from what I've seen. Yes, it is the Japanese culture and it isn't like the USA. In my opinion, the US culture is way way worse.
That's true, in terms of women beating their kids in public and stuff like that. But usually somebody tries to intervene or at least says something. At least that's what I have noticed.
Joined: 24 Mar 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Newbury Park, CA Country:
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:30 am Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
I don't know how you can say that if the Japanese just close a blind eye to that kinda crap and ignore it...
Well, it's only recently that we've started intervening here. And we only do it sometimes. Famous case in the 50s or 60s of the woman in (I think it was) New York getting raped and murdered in the alley while all of her neighbors watched from their windows.
Tons of studies support that where people don't think they're under pressure to report crimes they see, they don't. We're incredibly selfish - as long as it's not me, it's okay. Now, I think that's an awful way to look at membership in society and really strive to act differently and more proactively where I can, but I don't think it's everyone and I'm not even sure it's anywhere near the norm. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:40 am Post subject:
OMG~~~~~~~~~~~
this is really an eye opening discussion.. different culture and different ways to doing things in different countries...
I have never see anything like that in public in my country _________________
Well, it's only recently that we've started intervening here. And we only do it sometimes. Famous case in the 50s or 60s of the woman in (I think it was) New York getting raped and murdered in the alley while all of her neighbors watched from their windows.
Tons of studies support that where people don't think they're under pressure to report crimes they see, they don't. We're incredibly selfish - as long as it's not me, it's okay. Now, I think that's an awful way to look at membership in society and really strive to act differently and more proactively where I can, but I don't think it's everyone and I'm not even sure it's anywhere near the norm.
Yow.
I expected (hoped?) that we were better (much better, actually) than that here in the States... How sad.
Joined: 24 Mar 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Newbury Park, CA Country:
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:24 am Post subject:
bmwracer wrote:
Yow.
I expected (hoped?) that we were better (much better, actually) than that here in the States... How sad.
Yeah, trust me - me too. It is sad how nonchalant we can be about the dreadful plight of our fellow man. Just think how much better things could be if we <gasp> looked out for each other. _________________
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Yeah, trust me - me too. It is sad how nonchalant we can be about the dreadful plight of our fellow man. Just think how much better things could be if we <gasp> looked out for each other.
Now I'm getting a flashback of the final Seinfeld episode...
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Posts: 388 Location: Gatineau, Quebec Country:
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:16 am Post subject:
Well what's worse is that it isn't just the US that has this problem. There was a similar situation that took place at a gas station not a block and a half from where I live in Gatineau (the wife was inside getting her phone minutes recharged if I recall). Out of the corner of my eye I saw around this truck a bunch of guys gathering around this woman and she started screaming for help when someone grabbed her.
Now, turns out that this girl was just being an idiot because they were screwing around with friends so she was in no real danger, but the fact that it was a somewhat crowded gas station and, admittedly, even I hesitated since I had my kids in the back seat (I had removed my seatbelt and was about to intervene before I realized it was fake though).
Nevertheless, I can see where people are maintaining this self-preservation idea. I guess it's the American-side of me (born and raised in the Midwest) that almost got me involved in what could've been a bad situation, but so many others turn their eye...sometimes you forget just how much of a culture shock simple things like humanitarian acts or intervention could simply be ignored/turned a blind eye.
I still for one think that it's still a tad bit unrealistic that with the number of incidents that have taken place
Nevertheless, I can see where people are maintaining this self-preservation idea. I guess it's the American-side of me (born and raised in the Midwest) that almost got me involved in what could've been a bad situation, but so many others turn their eye...sometimes you forget just how much of a culture shock simple things like humanitarian acts or intervention could simply be ignored/turned a blind eye.
It's easy to justify ignoring these things as looking out for one's self, though. That notion of possible self-sacrifice won't kick in if you didn't have a healthy concern for the welfare of others.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:04 am Post subject:
You know what would be icing on the cake?
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If the death that takes place is due to a misunderstanding by the cops and we have ourselves a good old-fashioned bullet to the chest by a cop on a bike. Now THAT would be irony!
I don't know how you can say that if the Japanese just close a blind eye to that kinda crap and ignore it...
Sorry for the confusion but I'm comparing the general society as a whole between Japan and USA. Please don't think that you'll see such public beating displays on a daily if you come to Japan. Now if a woman is crying out for help of course you'll see people intervene. I just want to make things clear that in my opinion the US society is lacking. I don't know how many times I have to explain to my Nihonjin friends about some of the craziness that happens in the USA. It's quite embarassing. Yes, I'm an American gaijin living in Japan. I do go back to the USA every other year to visit family (west coast). Everytime I do go back I thank God I live in Japan. I never lock my car doors and I feel a lot safer here. You'll even see little kids walking down the street by themselves here. Shocking at first but it's common. I love the USA but some of the things Americans do is down right shameful.
Sorry for the confusion but I'm comparing the general society as a whole between Japan and USA. Please don't think that you'll see such public beating displays on a daily if you come to Japan. Now if a woman is crying out for help of course you'll see people intervene. I just want to make things clear that in my opinion the US society is lacking. I don't know how many times I have to explain to my Nihonjin friends about some of the craziness that happens in the USA. It's quite embarassing. Yes, I'm an American gaijin living in Japan. I do go back to the USA every other year to visit family (west coast). Everytime I do go back I thank God I live in Japan. I never lock my car doors and I feel a lot safer here. You'll even see little kids walking down the street by themselves here. Shocking at first but it's common. I love the USA but some of the things Americans do is down right shameful.
I understand completely.
Must be great to be living in Japan... How did you manage that, if you don't mind my asking?
Joined: 24 Mar 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Newbury Park, CA Country:
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject:
I don't know if it's all so peachy in Japan and not in the US. I've heard plenty of stories of people being swindled, women being fondled, children being taken advantage of. My sister and her husband were with some friends outside of Kyoto and their car was broken into - my sister's husband's camera and passport and wallet were stolen. It's just like anywhere else, it only feels safe until you've been bitten.
I feel very safe here because I've never had anything bad happen to me (like that at least). I lived in the middle of Camden, NJ for 3 years (least safe city in the nation while I was there) while I was attending law school and nothing happened to me. So I think it's perfectly safe to go walking around at night alone. Now, truth be told, I'm an athetic guy who's 6'2".. so I'm not the usual target.. but I had lots of friends there and no one else had too much trouble either.
It just goes to show you - how we feel about our surroundings is highly dependant on our experiences. _________________
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