Anyways, the flaw in your argument, the whole "figure out what happens" plot method, is completely contradictory in how the formula operates really. Why in the world would they flesh out the whole backstory of a supposed 'sub-plot' and leave their main pillar with such few details that it never is explained properly? That's ass-backwards if I say so myself.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:
Finished Ep. 10, finally.. not much to add really. Teshigure is hitting pretty close to the mark for me.
I perhaps didn't find the episode as anticlimatic and frustrating as everyone else. I was actually okay what happened to Sousuke. He wasn't ever all that deep and why should I expect that would change at this stage in the game?
If the model don't fit what you experience, change the model. My expectations went down quite a bit a while back, so I can't get so impassioned anymore. It's kinda sad to not care about such serious issues though - and therein lies the foregone opportunity that I think so many of us have hinted at.
I was most upset when
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Ruka was crying in the dressing room. I nearly started crying then too. She has a good despair face
That being said, I think I'm okay with ep 11 just riding out.. the show ain't getting any dazzling awards from me, but it won't be shot down as a waste of time, either. It's a mixed bag, if disappointing, given the cast.
It was nice to see Eri have a little moment in this one. She could have been a great character.. but that would have been a different show _________________
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject:
Tenshigure wrote:
Meep! Spoilers there Proto, spoilers!
Anyways, the flaw in your argument, the whole "figure out what happens" plot method, is completely contradictory in how the formula operates really. Why in the world would they flesh out the whole backstory of a supposed 'sub-plot' and leave their main pillar with such few details that it never is explained properly? That's ass-backwards if I say so myself.
Yup, I see what you mean now. Though in my (very humble) opinion, I don't think it matters as long as both stories convey through and I think it did to certain extents. It might've been better if they explored the whole backstory of Sousuke for us as well but I didn't think it was necessary since they've mentioned it in a couple of lines somewhere before about how his mom left him? Anyways, I also wouldn't say Ruka's GID is a sub-plot but more like a second plot to the story. If anything, Eri's would be a subplot although we dont get to see any of it so you could argue that it didn't ever exist!
If I had to sum it up in one word...It would probably be "Tragedy" for it could've been better than it is right now but good enough for a decent watch. It had the potential but I think the limit of episodes also limited its potential. A tragedy caused by the nature of drama in Japan?
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject:
ProtoMMC wrote:
Yup, I see what you mean now. Though in my (very humble) opinion, I don't think it matters as long as both stories convey through and I think it did to certain extents. It might've been better if they explored the whole backstory of Sousuke for us as well but I didn't think it was necessary since they've mentioned it in a couple of lines somewhere before about how his mom left him? Anyways, I also wouldn't say Ruka's GID is a sub-plot but more like a second plot to the story. If anything, Eri's would be a subplot although we dont get to see any of it so you could argue that it didn't ever exist!
If I had to sum it up in one word...It would probably be "Tragedy" for it could've been better than it is right now but good enough for a decent watch. It had the potential but I think the limit of episodes also limited its potential. A tragedy caused by the nature of drama in Japan?
huh? you mean they mentioned before why sousuke turned out like that? i guess i probably missed those few lines... maybe someone could enlighten me.
Eri.. poor Eri... besides Juri, Asami is the other cast I look forward most in this drama...But Eri has nice fashion sense in the show.. lol.. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject:
Just to lighten this board with a non-thouht provocing post kind of a buffer the heavy discussions about the story as a whole.
I just wanted to ask : Hey did any of you guys notice the cut missing on Ruka during that crying scene in the dressing room? Just wanted to point that out
Here's a Ruka fanart, this is from memory so the colors of the shirt/ pants is off and the hair is parted to the wrong side (good thing she wore a black watch ) :
As a glaring thought after just watching the episode...
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How is it consistent that you take the motivations of what is supposedly an extremely focused and deadly determined individual, suddenly throw that out the window, and then declare 'hey, it's good, we all good' without leaving any clue as to how that happened?
It's a cop-out. That's what it is. That's all you can give me? Tears? These are somehow the end-product of all that was done over the last nine episodes? Everything else has been magically glossed over by then?
You can't really justify that there's somehow a duality with Sosuke's character, simply because there were never any hard and fast indications that would lead you to believe otherwise. How did he get to that point? Why is he even worried about the little boy? Nothing stands out that would lead you to think that he could make that turnaround in such a short amount of time. I understand we're dealing with a drama here, but for all the real-life issues it was supposed to handle, getting to that point was too much of a stretch; miraculous, you might say.
Maybe a bit more detail for him, and I could get it. The last thing I was thinking as the episode ended was that, if the writers wanted to stick to their guns, Sosuke would have gone down putting everyone in jeopardy, he would have still died trying to implement his evil schemes, and it'd be well and good for everyone still.
Instead you substitute a shallow excuse for reform.
Oh, and another thing...
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I'm still looking for where all the other characters in this series went. Was it some other share house? Cause, well, it's the last episode next, right? Are we suddenly glossing over them, too?
It might be my imagination, but it appears that all the guys who have watched this drama have seen holes and various other problems, whereas the gals are oblivious or unconcerned...
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:25 am Post subject:
johnjeon wrote:
Then came episode 9 and the writers seemed to get lazy. If this story
took place in an imaginary land without laws and police maybe I could
go along with the actions (or lack thereof) in this episode. But I guess if
the police were called they wouldn't be able to drag out the abuse story.
agree about ep nine
well the whole show had that
as u said if they did that would have eneded differently right
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Seriously, what true friend could see someone they care about being
brutally beaten and not call the police? Especially if they thought, as
this group did, that other members of the group could possibly suffer
the same fate.
right right
they try to help
but hta person also have to help themselves as well _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:49 am Post subject:
Tenshigure wrote:
, you're entitled to your opinion. \.
i agree thought may not have much to say however the fac t still stand that u allow to say as u please but there would always have people like that its late reply sorry
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i know this problem is already fix As for Ryo's portrayal as Sousuke, I want to point out that I personally feel that it's none of the actors' fault but purely on the writers and directors as far as how badly these characters have been fleshed out. Juri as Ruka DESERVES recognition despite this poor writing, as does Eita for his role as Takeru.
i also aree with what u said
but i like this i also think that they should _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:53 am Post subject:
phlargo wrote:
You pretty much spoke for me here - we have been extremely diligent in critiquing this drama in a meaningful fashion. It's totally bogus to proclaim our rhetoric as not thought out. We've had some great conversations criticizing the weaknesses not only of a show we wanted to love, but problems with the genre as a whole.
Further, we've had some interesting conversations about cultural interactions and perceptions between Japanese and American/Western culture.
I feel a critique that we are baselessly blowing it off is completely unfounded.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:19 am Post subject:
himesayu wrote:
WAHHH! NOW WAY!
yes they are
man it is hard not getting to talk on time soo much I have to catch up on
wow wow it was a lot and I still think I am missing some but man i had fun reading what u guy had to say _________________
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