Anime - General Discussion Thread

Started by windrider · 26 Jun 2003 · 6,061 replies

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22 Mar 2004, 05:24 #701
FierceStriker wrote:Just to warn you guys, Ranma 1/2 becomes horrible after season 3, because they made up a lot of the episodes and did not follow the original manga. Only Season 1 and 2 followed the Manga strictly. If you haven't read the manga, go for it, it is freaking hilarious.
to me it doesnt matter, i dont think the animes were suppose to follow the whole manga anyway

besides its better if u have different stories, thats one of the reasons why i dont buy mangas that has the same stories with the anime :shakehead:
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except i got the whole boxset of chobits, the manga leads to the same story but they have hilarious parts that i havent seen in anime.. thats the way i like it
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on dnangel, anime is done, but the manga still kept going, i think season 2 is on asuka comics now, and also follows by the drama audio cds
22 Mar 2004, 07:15 #702
I'm at episode 2 of "happy lesson advance" now.
i haven't watched the first version though....my friend left it back in his home country.
:rolleyes:

after that, i will be watching gunslinger girls.

then it's J-dramas for me again!
FINALLY i got some things to watch!
YAY!
:nut:
22 Mar 2004, 23:17 #703
Has anyone watched Legend of Galactic Heroes? I tried it out and find it very interesting. The graphics is quite dated since its an 80s flick but i like how the story unfolds. There's no comedy/fanservice, just scifi drama.
If you like crest/banner of the stars, you might want to give this a try.
22 Mar 2004, 23:42 #704
im so happy!! i've received lotsa anime today :jumpie:
23 Mar 2004, 00:30 #705
Michi wrote:im so happy!! i've received lotsa anime today :jumpie:

great!
did u get all of the animes u posted? I think there only 1 in ur list i havent watched yet - yami no matsuei...
ranma, i finished up to season 4 only.
all the rest i find really good except for flcl, excel saga, and to heart. Didnt particularly like those...
23 Mar 2004, 00:42 #706
arnel98 wrote:all the rest i find really good except for flcl, excel saga, and to heart. Didnt particularly like those...


I like FLCL a lot, because it was so crazy, and had some good music. Excel Saga was also crazy, (and I'll take crazy over any of the violent animes any day) but after a while it was like all the same craziness to me. Still, I think the voice actress who does Excel is amazing. She was even more amazing in Puni Puni Poemi. I never knew someone could talk that fast. :) When I'm better at understanding Japanese, I'm going to test myself by going back and watching Puni Puni Poemi.
23 Mar 2004, 21:20 #707
FInished watching get backers and sugee one of da cool one anime I watch..good character creation and I startin collecting da soundtrack which also cool...any good anime reccomendation? ;)
23 Mar 2004, 21:57 #708
Bsalez wrote:FInished watching get backers and sugee one of da cool one anime I watch..good character creation and I startin collecting da soundtrack which also cool...any good anime reccomendation? ;)


Kazemakaze Tsukikage Ran - about a female samurai and her martial arts companion. Love it.

Hanada Shounen Shi - about a little boy who can see ghosts (unfortunately I loathe the theme song by the backstreet boys). This one is pretty funny.

Oruchuban Ebichu - it's adult (but I wouldn't call it porno), but it is the funniest thing I've ever seen. I believe it was shown on Japanese nightly TV, but I don't know how they got some stuff past the censors.

Juuni Kokki (12 kingdoms) - a pretty amazing mythical epic tale, although flawed (it goes off on some tangents), but it's pretty cool. Very detailed and complex, if you like that sort of thing.

Photon - very goofy anime with a unique visual style. But it's fun.

Earth Girl Arjuna - some absolutely gorgeous animation, but the storyline gets a little preachy about saving the Earth's environment (I don't disagree, but too much of a good thing, you know). I love how they put the fast food joint in there called "Merikan Burger" :)

One Piece - silly kid's anime about pirates. I love it! Everyone needs a guilty pleasure. Good music too.

Ghost in the Shell - Standalone Complex. Another very complex anime. I like this anime a lot, because it is by far the most believable futurist SF anime. I can't wait for the new GITS movie "Innocence" to come out.

Last Exile - good, but a bit strange, has some great CGI.

There's more, just can't think of them all now ...
23 Mar 2004, 22:09 #709
Arigato na Vibius ;) Actually I targeting onepiece but cause da series haven't finish yet I wait .....I hate it when u buy unfinish stuff...I like to burning day and watch them all :mrgreen:
23 Mar 2004, 22:31 #710
Bsalez wrote:Actually I targeting onepiece but cause da series haven't finish yet I wait .....I hate it when u buy unfinish stuff...I like to burning day and watch them all :mrgreen:


Geez, I think One Piece is still going, isn't it? ... I'm sure I've see c-sub'ed or raw episodes on BT sites, up to like 180 or something? Anyway, I've watched up to about ep 80 so far.

One piece goes through fairly complete minor story-lines about every 5-10 episodes or something like that.

You can also look for the subbed one piece movies from kaizoku fansubs ... they are complete in themselves, although if you have seen the series, you might know the characters a little better. But it's a pretty simple anime.

My advice is, start watching now! :)

The theme songs are pretty catchy little tunes.

"Arittakeno yume wo kaki atsume ..."

I'm pretty sure I remember hearing the little kid in Nanisama singing this as he left his apartment in one episode. (Just wanted to tie this into jdorama :) )
24 Mar 2004, 00:07 #711
vibius wrote:

I like FLCL a lot, because it was so crazy, and had some good music. Excel Saga was also crazy, (and I'll take crazy over any of the violent animes any day) but after a while it was like all the same craziness to me. Still, I think the voice actress who does Excel is amazing. She was even more amazing in Puni Puni Poemi. I never knew someone could talk that fast. :) When I'm better at understanding Japanese, I'm going to test myself by going back and watching Puni Puni Poemi.

Ah, yes, the girl that does the voice of excel is really amazing - she can talk very fast. Havent seen puni puni so cant comment on it. :)

bsalez: if ur planning on watching one piece, i suggest you dont wait till its done. It's pretty long so even if u have it, u wont be able to finish it in a weeks time. hehehe. I've watched upto 40 eps i think - a funny series.
One thing im unclear of though is when does the movie come in to the picture. Is it between certain episodes or completely stand alone? :sweat:
24 Mar 2004, 00:22 #712
arnel98 wrote:Ah, yes, the girl that does the voice of excel is really amazing - she can talk very fast. Havent seen puni puni so cant comment on it. :)


It's just a couple of eps, and it uses some of the same characters. It's pure crazy.

One thing im unclear of though is when does the movie come in to the picture. Is it between certain episodes or completely stand alone?


There's a couple movies, I think one came out around end of first or second season ... I think I remember reading something like that on the kaizoku fansubs web page. I forgot the url, sorry, but you might find the info there. The movies aren't really tied into any specific episodes, so I think they stand alone well.
24 Mar 2004, 01:28 #713
Well guys u seem know lots of stuff bout anime ne...why don't write review of cool anime so ppl like me can decide which one is good ne Vibius to Arnel ?

ABout onepiece...I agree the ost rocks...I collect most of them...maybe u right ne arnel..maybe I grab dat this week ;)
24 Mar 2004, 01:39 #714
It looks like Kaizoku currently has a package of the first 80 episodes of One Piece they've fansubbed here:

http://www.downloadanime.org/modules.php?entr=one+piece&name=Torrent_Search&find=all&show=100

also check out:

http://kaizoku-fansubs.com/torrent/index.php

That ought to keep you busy for a while!
24 Mar 2004, 02:22 #715
Bsalez wrote:Well guys u seem know lots of stuff bout anime ne...why don't write review of cool anime so ppl like me can decide which one is good ne Vibius to Arnel ?

ABout onepiece...I agree the ost rocks...I collect most of them...maybe u right ne arnel..maybe I grab dat this week ;)

well, i usually select which ones to watch based on animenfo.com's rating. I think i've watched most of the animes in their top 100 list. ;)
24 Mar 2004, 05:36 #716
FFVIII for me since that was my first encounter with the FF series, then I jumped back to VII then IX, and of course X and X-2 currently.
24 Mar 2004, 06:27 #717
yeah BOYYYEEE ff8 OW3NS!!! and i tought most ppl hated it
25 Mar 2004, 22:17 #718
Currently watching Kiki's delvery service ;)
25 Mar 2004, 23:02 #719
Bsalez wrote:Currently watching Kiki's delvery service ;)

Terrific movie! :D :applaud:
26 Mar 2004, 12:06 #720
From the Los Angeles Times:

The Hard Realities of Make-Believe
In anime, the hours are long and the pay paltry. But for many Japanese, it's still a dream job.

By Colin Joyce
Special to The Times

March 24, 2004


TOKYO — The starting pay can be less than $500 a month in this, the world's most expensive city, but becoming an illustrator in Japan's famed anime industry remains the fantasy of thousands of young Japanese.

In scores of cramped studios, largely clustered in two small districts of western Tokyo, young illustrators lean over desks, producing page after page of drawings that eventually will be turned into cartoons for broadcast in Japan and, increasingly, overseas.

Despite the huge popularity of the industry and its growing cachet internationally, even big studios typically pay recruits between $1,200 and $1,800 a month. Their counterparts in Tokyo office jobs earn up to twice as much, including benefits such as subsidized accommodation and train passes. Even convenience-store work pays $8 an hour.

Although "anime" simply means animation, the product differs from U.S. cartoons and animated films in that it is not geared mostly to children. Like its printed counterpart, manga comics, anime is a diverse field, producing everything from cute children's programs such as "Sailor Moon" — a superhero schoolgirl with impossibly long legs and big eyes — to violent and sexual images for Japan's otaku, or "nerd," subculture.

Many foreign fans have been won over by the imagination and intelligent story lines in the genre's most celebrated works. Others are drawn in simply by the vivid colors, fantastic characters and surreal landscapes common in anime.

Masaru Muto, a 20-year-old student, is among those willing to accept low pay to be part of the phenomenon. He will start as an intern at a Tokyo television animation company this month.

"Of course, my parents would prefer me to find a regular job, but I wanted to draw since childhood, and my fascination with animated films became deeper and deeper as I went through school," he said. "I decided that whatever happened, I wanted to give it a try."

Like many anime devotees, Muto is an admirer of director Hayao Miyazaki, who created the acclaimed films Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke.

"To become so great, Miyazaki had to work hard," Muto said, "so I think I will have to fight and to suffer even more than him to become famous."

But many of the young enthusiasts quickly become disillusioned with the long hours and meager salaries. Yoshitake Ogata of the Anime Union, which represents freelance illustrators, said: "However keen they are when they come in, the reality is that they cannot live on the pay. There are animators with 10 years' experience earning less than $20,000 a year. In the end, they have to quit."

The union's informal surveys suggest that 10% of the animators have no health insurance and that as many as one-quarter haven't joined the state pension program, although it is meant to be compulsory. Often, anxious parents pay for their children's health insurance and, in some cases, lodging.

The main factor holding down pay is the availability of cheap labor in East Asia. Japanese production companies now rely on illustrators in South Korea, the Philippines and China to do much of their routine work. Ironically, just as Japanese anime is becoming more famous overseas, it is becoming less Japanese.

Nippon Engineering College in Tokyo is one of several high-tech institutions in Japan that train aspiring animators, including Muto. The school attracts technically gifted students who spend two years learning the art of creating anime and character-based computer games. Most graduates go on to work in the industry.

But teachers stress that talent alone is not enough.

"Of course students need strong powers of observation and have to be good drawers, but they also need to have passion," teacher Masataka Kawai said. "To stick it out in anime, you can't just like drawing, you have to love it."

Kawai worked for eight years in one of Japan's most famous studios. During deadline periods, he would barely leave it for nearly three weeks on end, sleeping under his desk. It is widely believed that most animators work 12 hours a day or more, often working weekends as well.

A 30-minute cartoon typically requires 3,500 pages of drawings. New illustrators usually draw the movements in between the "key frames" done by their seniors. A team of illustrators typically produces a cartoon in about three months. The contribution of any one illustrator might last just 10 seconds for an action scene or as long as 10 minutes when movement is limited, as in a conversation scene.

Despite the long hours, Kawai has happy memories of his days as an illustrator.

"There's no doubt it is hard work, but when you see one of your cuts and it goes well, that is real happiness," he said. "Personally, I felt happy when a small girl from my neighborhood said she enjoyed a cartoon I had worked on."

Many illustrators say they want to give children the same joy they experienced watching cartoons such as Doraemon, featuring a talking cat who looks after his hapless schoolboy owner, and Gatchaman, about spaceship superheroes. Today, cartoons such as Pokemon reach a worldwide audience.

Tokyo's Suginami ward, where 71 of Japan's estimated 430 anime studios are based, has expressed concern about the damage the working conditions could do to its most famous industry. The ward recently launched a program to sponsor apprentices to work for six months as animators.

But many in the industry say anime's crisis lies not in hiring talent, but in retaining it.

"All the famous directors, including Miyazaki, developed their skills working on anime for television. But now the industry isn't rearing animators with the talent to create new characters or the experienced hands to draw the crucial key frames," Ogata said. "The conditions are so poor that the next generation is not coming through."

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