Health Advice/Discussion

bmwracer wrote:Does Green Tea Help the Heart?

If you drink a Midori Sour does that count? Hehe. Good info on the green tea...not surprising.

Tu_triky wrote:If you drink a Midori Sour does that count? Hehe.

Heh, possibly... The alcohol probably helps a little too... :)

Good info on the green tea...not surprising.

Yup... The benefits and studies are piling up in its favor... :victory:

bmwracer wrote:
Yup... The benefits and studies are piling up in its favor... :victory:

Ppl in Asian cultures haven't been drinking green tea for generations on a whim. Anybody that believes in the importance of antioxidants in the body will not find it difficult to comprehend that green tea has many health benefits.

Tu_triky wrote:Ppl in Asian cultures haven't been drinking green tea for generations on a whim. Anybody that believes in the importance of antioxidants in the body will not find it difficult to comprehend that green tea has many health benefits.

Right on.

Hmm, I wonder if there are more beneficial green teas than others...?

bmwracer wrote:
Right on.

Hmm, I wonder if there are more beneficial green teas than others...?

I won't lie, I haven't researched the answer to that particular question...I guess you might measure that by determining the amount of flavonoids, catechins, etc....green tea isn't really processed (aside from being steamed) hence it's high antioxidant content when compared to black teas.

I wonder if there is a significant difference across various kinds of green tea...such at Matcha, Gyokuro, etc.....

bmwracer wrote:
Right on.

Hmm, I wonder if there are more beneficial green teas than others...?

if anything, it isn't the green teas we have in our markets....like the nestea green tea? no way x_x there's like barely any tea in there and there's soooo much high fructose syrup that it negates whatever tea IS in there...

gwenny wrote:if anything, it isn't the green teas we have in our markets....like the nestea green tea? no way x_x there's like barely any tea in there and there's soooo much high fructose syrup that it negates whatever tea IS in there...

I typically buy the green tea from Mitsuwa... Yamamotoyama brand. :)

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yeah it as mentioned in Men's Health too. they say that larger containers suggest that it's okay to eat more. so buy two small ones instead of one large one. :victory:

bmwracer wrote:
I typically buy the green tea from Mitsuwa... Yamamotoyama brand. :)

Full caffeine and leaves, not tea bags. That's suppose to be a significant difference, at least in weight loss. I'm guessing the processing would have the same effect on the health benefits.

Kijinnmaru wrote:Full caffeine and leaves, not tea bags.

Ehh? :headscratch:

bmwracer wrote:
Ehh? :headscratch:

Ditto. The health benefits derived from green tea don't come from caffeine...they come from the flavanoids (EGCG, ECG, EC, EGC, etc.). Morever the weight loss benefits are also derived from those catechins, not merely the caffeine. Any tea derived from the Camellia Senensis plant has caffeine.

Tu_triky wrote:

Ditto. The health benefits derived from green tea don't come from caffeine...they come from the flavanoids (EGCG, ECG, EC, EGC, etc.). Morever the weight loss benefits are also derived from those catechins, not merely the caffeine. Any tea derived from the Camellia Senensis plant has caffeine.

My guess is that it has to do with the process of removing the caffeine. It probably removes some of the desired properties as a side effect. That's why for weight loss, the recommendation is to have full caffeine, leaf tea.

Tu_triky wrote:

Ditto. The health benefits derived from green tea don't come from caffeine...they come from the flavanoids (EGCG, ECG, EC, EGC, etc.). Morever the weight loss benefits are also derived from those catechins, not merely the caffeine. Any tea derived from the Camellia Senensis plant has caffeine.

Though the caffeine does have some beneficial qualities in terms of health - if you aren't susceptible to stimulants: it aids in muscle recovery after workouts, it increases your BMR. Further, there is a synergistic bonus of having the caffeine with the catechins (antioxidants) and flavinoids of tea.

phlargo wrote:

Though the caffeine does have some beneficial qualities in terms of health - if you aren't susceptible to stimulants: it aids in muscle recovery after workouts, it increases your BMR. Further, there is a synergistic bonus of having the caffeine with the catechins (antioxidants) and flavinoids of tea.

Sounds similar to the old weight lifting stack E/C/A - ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin. It was suppose to amp you up preworkout and help burn some fat.

phlargo wrote:

Though the caffeine does have some beneficial qualities in terms of health - if you aren't susceptible to stimulants: it aids in muscle recovery after workouts, it increases your BMR. Further, there is a synergistic bonus of having the caffeine with the catechins (antioxidants) and flavinoids of tea.

Yeah but too much caffeine wears out your adrenal glands (something nobody ever talks about) and in fact wears down your immune repsonse... and after they get worn out you are more susceptible to stress. Caffeine is overrated.

Kijinnmaru wrote:
Sounds similar to the old weight lifting stack E/C/A - ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin. It was suppose to amp you up preworkout and help burn some fat.

Quite a bit less harsh on the system though, I believe. Almost everything in green tea is good for you where Aspirin and ephedrine definitely have their drawbacks.

And it's funny, for years, caffeine was not supposed to be good for lifting - but the recent ridiculous growth in sports-medicine research has taken pretty much a 180 on that opinion It's kind of amazing how much more science is going into nutrition and musculature these days as a result of the demands of the sports industry.

Kijinnmaru wrote:
My guess is that it has to do with the process of removing the caffeine. It probably removes some of the desired properties as a side effect. That's why for weight loss, the recommendation is to have full caffeine, leaf tea.

Perhaps. But authentic green tea, from Japan let's say, is not processed in anyway....it's just steamed. Whatever caffeine is inherent in the leaves is intact.

phlargo wrote:

Quite a bit less harsh on the system though, I believe. Almost everything in green tea is good for you where Aspirin and ephedrine definitely have their drawbacks.

And it's funny, for years, caffeine was not supposed to be good for lifting - but the recent ridiculous growth in sports-medicine research has taken pretty much a 180 on that opinion It's kind of amazing how much more science is going into nutrition and musculature these days as a result of the demands of the sports industry.

They can't rely on BALCO for drugs anymore. :beaten:

Kijinnmaru wrote:My guess is that it has to do with the process of removing the caffeine. It probably removes some of the desired properties as a side effect. That's why for weight loss, the recommendation is to have full caffeine, leaf tea.

I don't need the caffeine and I don't need to lose weight... I just want the antioxidants. :victory:

Tu_triky wrote:

Yeah but too much caffeine wears out your adrenal glands (something nobody ever talks about) and in fact wears down your immune repsonse... and after they get worn out you are more susceptible to stress. Caffeine is overrated.

Yeah, something with which I was not familiar and I'm pretty up on this stuff, for the most part. What I understand about caffeine is that it's generally just fine if it doesn't negatively impact your sleeping and you aren't hypertensive and it doesn't create too much of a stimulative reaction.

Any chance you have a link to a study on the adrenal gland issue - I'm curious about it? Are we talking massive quantities or reasonable quantities?