motsureru wrote:Although Jap is used in the context of an abbreviation on this forum....as another Japanese/American I must agree with Sarujin and say that it is indeed offensive.
It really should be wiped from everyones vocabulary as to not offend.....
Wait I have an idea! If we complain enough about people using it and get it where you hardly ever hear the word.... us Japanese could then pull a double standard and use it to refer to other Japanese in general street conversation. But only Japanese to another Japanese....You know kinda like African Americans do.
:google: :crazy: :shakehead: :sweat: :beaten: Im Jk ;)
oh yea i could imagine that one.....the conversation might go something like this:
Asan: Yo whuttup mah Jap?!
Bsan: Yo yo nuffin dawg, hows it goin Jap?
Asan: s'coo s'coo.... juss hanging in there doin mah job 9-5 yah know mah Jap?
Bsan: w3rd w3rd... A Japs gotta do what a Japs gotta do mah Jap
Asan: i hear yah Jap......i hear yah...
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hrmm.....somehow i don;'t see a conversation like that happening in the future LOL! :shocked:
I had a teacher whose name is 'James', but he insists that people should only call him 'James' and stick to that, no other variations like 'Jim', 'Jimmy', etc. Is there anything wrong? Well, always address people using the names which they prefer to.
Sean wrote:I had a teacher whose name is 'James', but he insists that people should only call him 'James' and stick to that, no other variations like 'Jim', 'Jimmy', etc. Is there anything wrong? Well, always address people using the names which they prefer to.
I don't think this has anything to do with the topic at hand.....
Hell YAH, that's offensive!! Those are fighting words! But keep in mind that in the Jewish community, JAP is an acronym for Jewish American Princess. So if you hear those words, look around first to see what situation you're in. You could be at a Barmitzvah and hear it come up here and there. And to them, of course, it's a common acronym without any insulting intentions. Even if you're in the middle of LA, NY or other highly populated Caucasion cities, and you hear those words, it still could go both ways?
Oh well i'll continue to call Japanese Japs and Nips < - - Ignorant comment.
To call this site a form of racism is very unfair to the administrator of this site. < - - Ignorant comment.
Did we really think that the administrator for this site named the site maliciously and purposely? < - - Ignorant comment.
that not everyone who uses a word may know of some hidden or uncommon cotext of the word < - - Ignorant comment.
I only feel that the word Jap should be used on objects < - - Ignorant comment.
THE use of Jap to refer to something JAPANESE is not ACCEPTABLE. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!. I am a Japanese American I have relatives that lived in the camps so the use of Jap hits home for me. Not knowing the meaning of the word is not an excuse that is just ignorant. When did Ignorant become an acceptable term? IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. It seems like there is an abundance of people using or think that its ok to use jap on this board DONfT use it! STOP!.. NOT! ACCEPTABLE!!!
if people like you would quit your bitching the word "jap" would slowly lose it's racist meaning and become what everyone is actually referring it to... a shortening of the word japanese!
tsuyoshi13 wrote:if people like you would quit your bitching the word "jap" would slowly lose it's racist meaning and become what everyone is actually referring it to... a shortening of the word japanese!
um, hello there, "sensitive one", I'm taking this that you aren't JPNese. Well, I'm sure the world would live to forget the racist meaning behind the word so YOU can be lazy and not have to type J-a-p-a-n-e-s-e.
During WW2, there were a lot of hate and discontent with the JPN race here in the U.S. and the people of JPN descent will have a hard time to forget. I'm sure you are of one particular group (chinese, black, jewish, gay, whatever) and have a derogetory name for you as well, and I'm sure you would not like it if you're singled out and stuff. I can be more graphic, but since I think you just opened up a huge can of beans, I'll let others ride you. Aho, you know what to do.
tsuyoshi13 wrote:if people like you would quit your bitching the word "jap" would slowly lose it's racist meaning and become what everyone is actually referring it to... a shortening of the word japanese!
I was Enjoying AZUMI. You now have tainted the taste in my mouth with disbelief. You are a very unscrupulous person. I suggest you find some scruples and come back and apologize. SHOW SOME RESPECT! Just because this word doesnft apply to you doesnft mean we can forget what pain it has caused. PEOPLE LIKE ME?!?!? Hahc IT WILL NOT LOSE ITS MEANING!
niko2x wrote:um, hello there, "sensitive one", I'm taking this that you aren't JPNese. Well, I'm sure the world would live to forget the racist meaning behind the word so YOU can be lazy and not have to type J-a-p-a-n-e-s-e.
During WW2, there were a lot of hate and discontent with the JPN race here in the U.S. and the people of JPN descent will have a hard time to forget. I'm sure you are of one particular group (chinese, black, jewish, gay, whatever) and have a derogetory name for you as well, and I'm sure you would not like it if you're singled out and stuff. I can be more graphic, but since I think you just opened up a huge can of beans, I'll let others ride you. Aho, you know what to do.
On the mark, Niko. :applaud:
I don't recall the N-word losing its racist meaning after two-plus centuries of use... :shakehead:
the fact that the racist wwi term and what unknowing people use to shorten a word a just a coincidence. maybe you should look for context in a sentence before judging whether a person is being racial or not. this is what maya failed to do.
so our american grandfathers called your american grandfathers a shortened word. what about when groups of people are referred to as "whites" or "blacks." this isn't considered racist, but it's underlyingly the same thing as saying jap as opposed to japanese. the point is, you're all just being whiny bitches
tsuyoshi13 wrote:the fact that the racist wwi term and what unknowing people use to shorten a word a just a coincidence. maybe you should look for context in a sentence before judging whether a person is being racial or not. this is what maya failed to do.
so our american grandfathers called your american grandfathers a shortened word. what about when groups of people are referred to as "whites" or "blacks." this isn't considered racist, but it's underlyingly the same thing as saying jap as opposed to japanese. the point is, you're all just being whiny bitches
Your reply is SO? You are intolerable. You deserve what you have coming to you. I would appreciate it if you wouldnft use that kind of language. I am not bitching. Nether am I a bitch nor anyone else here.
I think its stupid to argue over, I mean is it seriously going to cripple your conversation if you refrain from using racial slurs??? Look its offensive ok, accept it.
Why is it that some people have a lack of common sense and are to hell bent on bucking the code of proper etiquette to realize that its not worth wasting there time over?? Your not going to change the world by refusing to agree that some words have a historically offensive stigmas behind them. By being ignorant you only ostracize yourself and make things worse.
Jeez, its not even that long of a word!!! :shakehead:
tsuyoshi13 wrote:the fact that the racist wwi term and what unknowing people use to shorten a word a just a coincidence. maybe you should look for context in a sentence before judging whether a person is being racial or not. this is what maya failed to do.
so our american grandfathers called your american grandfathers a shortened word. what about when groups of people are referred to as "whites" or "blacks." this isn't considered racist, but it's underlyingly the same thing as saying jap as opposed to japanese. the point is, you're all just being whiny bitches
Christ! Would it be too much to ask to show some sensitivity??
Y'know if we're too whiny for you, take your crap somewhere else. We don't need it or want it.
motsureru wrote:I think its stupid to argue over, I mean is it seriously going to cripple your conversation if you refrain from using racial slurs??? Look its offensive ok, accept it.
Why is it that some people have a lack of common sense and are to hell bent on bucking the code of proper etiquette to realize that its not worth wasting there time over?? Your not going to change the world by refusing to agree that some words have a historically offensive stigmas behind them. By being ignorant you only ostracize yourself and make things worse.
Jeez, its not even that long of a word!!! :shakehead:
the same can be said for both sides of the argument. a lot of people don't think it's racial so accept it. it's not worth wasting time over.
bmwracer wrote:
Christ! Would it be too much to ask to show some sensitivity??
that's the most hypocritical sentence i've read in the last 5 minutes. you aren't being very sensitive to followers of christianity using the Lord's name in vain like that. what an ass...
tsuyoshi13 wrote:
that's the most hypocritical sentence i've read in the last 5 minutes. you aren't being very sensitive to followers of christianity using the Lord's name in vain like that.
Don't try to divert the conversation to another topic just because you can't justify your insensitivity towards Japanese-Americans.
let's not fight over things like these. there are too many derogatory terms in every language you can think of.
if someone thinks its offensive. there must be a reason right? its just like saying, chinaman to a chinese person. its not very nice. or FOB. and if someone doesn't know it, doesn't mean that they mean to hurt you, all you need to do is tell them nicely and they'll understand eh?
now back to watching more J-Drama. BWAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Summarizing tsuyoshi13's logic, the person being affected must make the adjustment. That's basically what he's saying. If you took this logic and apply it to real-world situations:
- All non-smokers must move to another part of town, or eat at a different restaurant. Smokers have every right to affect non-smokers' health and overall well-being because smoking tobacco is legal, and smokers have every right to smoke. And, oh, did I mention that the American indians smoked in the U.S. centuries ago? So why change things????
- U.S. Homeland Security would use common ethnic stereotypes as part of their overall profiling practice. Hey, they didn't come up with the stereotypes, but seeing they're out there might as well use them, right?
- A friend of mine wants to eat at a vegetarian restaurant. I hate vegetables. Because I'm tagging along with him, I have every right to bring a McDonald's double-quarterpounder and eat it in front of everyone. Hey, it's convenient for me! Let the vegetarians deal with it!
- On my next trip to India, I'm going to see if I can find any Sizzler or Stuart Anderson restaurants there because after a long flight, I'd be in the mood for a thick, juicy porterhouse steak. And if I can't, I'm going to file a complaint. Why can't India cater to my needs???????
The golden rule is: No matter what your personal culture/beliefs/background is, ALWAYS make the adjustments when working with another person. It's just as simple as that!!!!!
Who cares what you think or don't think. If someone takes offense because of a word you use, or a hand gesture you make, or what you smell like, you put a stop to it. It is much better to make compromises than to expect others to cope with your ignorance.
groink wrote:Summarizing tsuyoshi13's logic, the person being affected must make the adjustment. That's basically what he's saying. If you took this logic and apply it to real-world situations:
- All non-smokers must move to another part of town, or eat at a different restaurant. Smokers have every right to affect non-smokers' health and overall well-being because smoking tobacco is legal, and smokers have every right to smoke. And, oh, did I mention that the American indians smoked in the U.S. centuries ago? So why change things????
- U.S. Homeland Security would use common ethnic stereotypes as part of their overall profiling practice. Hey, they didn't come up with the stereotypes, but seeing they're out there might as well use them, right?
- A friend of mine wants to eat at a vegetarian restaurant. I hate vegetables. Because I'm tagging along with him, I have every right to bring a McDonald's double-quarterpounder and eat it in front of everyone. Hey, it's convenient for me! Let the vegetarians deal with it!
- On my next trip to India, I'm going to see if I can find any Sizzler or Stuart Anderson restaurants there because after a long flight, I'd be in the mood for a thick, juicy porterhouse steak. And if I can't, I'm going to file a complaint. Why can't India cater to my needs???????
The golden rule is: No matter what your personal culture/beliefs/background is, ALWAYS make the adjustments when working with another person. It's just as simple as that!!!!!
Who cares what you think or don't think. If someone takes offense because of a word you use, or a hand gesture you make, or what you smell like, you put a stop to it. It is much better to make compromises than to expect others to cope with your ignorance.
--- groink
That was a great post. Ha ha. Tsuyoshi just got owned :beaten:
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