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Started by ahochaude · 23 Nov 2003 · 35,048 replies
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Forward thinking.....i'm sure Allah agrees
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Muslim cleric blames women for rape
By ROHAN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Oct 26, 8:43 AM ET
A senior Muslim cleric compared women who go without a head scarf to "uncovered meat" left out for scavengers, drawing widespread condemnation and calls Thursday for his resignation.
Sheik Taj Aldin al Hilali denied he was condoning rape when he made the comments in a sermon last month, and apologized to any women he had offended, saying they were free to dress as they wished.
Hilali was quoted in The Australian newspaper Thursday as saying in the sermon: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's?"
"The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred," he was quoted as saying, referring to the headdress worn by some Muslim women.
Prime Minister John Howard called the remarks "appalling and reprehensible."
"The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous," Howard said.
The comments come during a heated debate in Britain about religious freedom centered around whether Muslim women should wear veils. Similar passions raged when France banned head scarves and other religious symbols in public schools two years ago.
In Australia, there was widespread condemnation Thursday of the cleric's comments from other Muslim leaders, civil libertarians and political leaders.
Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward said Hilali's comment was an incitement to rape and that Australia's Muslims should force him to resign.
"This is inciting young men to a violent crime because it is the woman's fault," Goward told television's Nine Network. "It is time the Islamic community did more than say they were horrified. I think it is time he left."
Hilali is the top cleric at Sydney's largest mosque, and is considered the most senior Islamic leader by many Muslims in Australia and New Zealand.
He has in the past served as an adviser to the Australian government on Muslim issues, but triggered a controversy in 2004 for saying in a sermon in Lebanon that the Sept. 11 attacks were "God's work against the oppressors." Hilali said later he did not mean that he supported the attacks, or terrorism.
Relations between Australia's almost 300,000 Muslims and the majority Christian-heritage population are tense following riots last December that often pitted white gangs against youths of Middle Eastern decent.
Howard offended some Muslims recently by singling out some Muslims as extremists who should adopt Australia's Western liberal attitudes to women's rights.
Many Muslims say they are increasingly treated with suspicion since the Sept. 11 and other international terrorist attacks. Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said Hilali's comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.
"I am expecting a deluge of hate mail," he said. "I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work."
Hilali said in a statement he was shocked by Thursday's reaction to his sermon.
"The presentation related to religious teachings on modesty and not to go to extremes in enticements, this does not condone rape, I condemn rape," he said.
"Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose, the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away," he said.
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Muslim cleric blames women for rape
By ROHAN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Oct 26, 8:43 AM ET
A senior Muslim cleric compared women who go without a head scarf to "uncovered meat" left out for scavengers, drawing widespread condemnation and calls Thursday for his resignation.
Sheik Taj Aldin al Hilali denied he was condoning rape when he made the comments in a sermon last month, and apologized to any women he had offended, saying they were free to dress as they wished.
Hilali was quoted in The Australian newspaper Thursday as saying in the sermon: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's?"
"The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred," he was quoted as saying, referring to the headdress worn by some Muslim women.
Prime Minister John Howard called the remarks "appalling and reprehensible."
"The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous," Howard said.
The comments come during a heated debate in Britain about religious freedom centered around whether Muslim women should wear veils. Similar passions raged when France banned head scarves and other religious symbols in public schools two years ago.
In Australia, there was widespread condemnation Thursday of the cleric's comments from other Muslim leaders, civil libertarians and political leaders.
Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward said Hilali's comment was an incitement to rape and that Australia's Muslims should force him to resign.
"This is inciting young men to a violent crime because it is the woman's fault," Goward told television's Nine Network. "It is time the Islamic community did more than say they were horrified. I think it is time he left."
Hilali is the top cleric at Sydney's largest mosque, and is considered the most senior Islamic leader by many Muslims in Australia and New Zealand.
He has in the past served as an adviser to the Australian government on Muslim issues, but triggered a controversy in 2004 for saying in a sermon in Lebanon that the Sept. 11 attacks were "God's work against the oppressors." Hilali said later he did not mean that he supported the attacks, or terrorism.
Relations between Australia's almost 300,000 Muslims and the majority Christian-heritage population are tense following riots last December that often pitted white gangs against youths of Middle Eastern decent.
Howard offended some Muslims recently by singling out some Muslims as extremists who should adopt Australia's Western liberal attitudes to women's rights.
Many Muslims say they are increasingly treated with suspicion since the Sept. 11 and other international terrorist attacks. Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said Hilali's comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.
"I am expecting a deluge of hate mail," he said. "I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work."
Hilali said in a statement he was shocked by Thursday's reaction to his sermon.
"The presentation related to religious teachings on modesty and not to go to extremes in enticements, this does not condone rape, I condemn rape," he said.
"Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose, the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away," he said.
Tu_triky wrote:
Muslim cleric blames women for rape
Here's the companion article:
Muslim cleric declared a total idiot
bmwracer wrote:
Here's the companion article:
Muslim cleric declared a total idiot
seriously....wtf, man? no offense but if you're going say shiet like that in a liberal Western society what kind of reaction do you think you're going to get....???
the hypocrisy of it all is if you attempted to say something dillatory in a Muslim society about a distaste for such offensive language...you'd probably be killed. anytime somebody says anything about radical Islam the fanatics friek the f*ck out yet the openly criticize condemn or kill anybody who they perceive as wrong, without remorse or restraint.
we have a sectarian civil war, Muslim against Muslim in Iraq, yet i've never heard any outcries over it from the Muslim community...ridiculous.
Tu_triky wrote:we have a sectarian civil war, Muslim against Muslim in Iraq, yet i've never heard any outcries over it from the Muslim community...ridiculous.
Conveniently swept under the rug... Just like what we do here in the States.
Tu_triky wrote:now you can take her to musha as a farewell party!
I concur. :victory:
bmwracer wrote:
Conveniently swept under the rug... Just like what we do here in the States.
ask Mark Foley.
Tu_triky wrote:ask Mark Foley.
I thought of his name as I typed in my post.
bmwracer wrote:
I thought of his name as I typed in my post.
why did he try to send you an instant message? :beaten:
reply with a photo of the best leg-ist so he gets the point.
Tu_triky wrote:Forward thinking.....i'm sure Allah agrees
With the cleric?!
Wynter wrote:
With the cleric?!
of course cuz the cleric thinks his interpretation is divinely inspired.
Tu_triky wrote:
of course cuz the cleric thinks his interpretation is divinely inspired.
Ah okies... I thought you were making a crack, and I was gonna point out that Allah is the same as the Jewish and Christian god. :beaten: :doh:
I'm also too appalled by that articile to actually make a comment. Just the idea of blaming an "uncovered" woman for her own rape... >>fumes<<
Wynter wrote:
Ah okies... I thought you were making a crack, and I was gonna point out that Allah is the same as the Jewish and Christian god. :beaten: :doh:
I'm also too appalled by that articile to actually make a comment. Just the idea of blaming an "uncovered" woman for her own rape... >>fumes<<
the cleric is a fuggin' hypocritical idiot like most radical muslims...he bashes women in a liberal society with no thought to his potential audience....if he's so incensed why not leave...of course he has a right to blather stupidly due to a gurantee of free speech...but free speech doesn't gurantee acceptance of stupidity.
Wynter wrote:
Ah okies... I thought you were making a crack, and I was gonna point out that Allah is the same as the Jewish and Christian god. :beaten: :doh:
yeah right....i know what you are saying...but i'm sure scores of Jews and Christians would disagree with you...i don't think their "God" considers them "kafir" = infidels.
That story's all over the news here, as you can imagine. That sheik has a reputation for putting his foot in it.
Part of the background to this was from a few years ago, when a bunch of Lebanese (Muslim) youths were jailed for a long time for the pack rape of some non-Muslim girls. The same kind of sentiment was voiced at the time i.e. that they somehow deserved it because of the way they dressed.
Part of the background to this was from a few years ago, when a bunch of Lebanese (Muslim) youths were jailed for a long time for the pack rape of some non-Muslim girls. The same kind of sentiment was voiced at the time i.e. that they somehow deserved it because of the way they dressed.
Anime Dad wrote:That story's all over the news here, as you can imagine. That sheik has a reputation for putting his foot in it.
Part of the background to this was from a few years ago, when a bunch of Lebanese (Muslim) youths were jailed for a long time for the pack rape of some non-Muslim girls. The same kind of sentiment was voiced at the time i.e. that they somehow deserved it because of the way they dressed.
i hope they stick a Halal Lamb's foot up his ass...
but i'm sure many of the fanatics there will line up to suck his d*ck to praise him...
The sad thing is, those guys aren't condemned in their culture for going out and screwing as many non-muslim girls as they can... but if a muslim girl even looks at a non-muslim guy, she's almost locked up.
Anime Dad wrote:The sad thing is, those guys aren't condemned in their culture for going out and screwing as many non-muslim girls as they can... but if a muslim girl even looks at a non-muslim guy, she's almost locked up.
no shiet...i know this! it's just another hypocrisy....
I'm over-generalising of course. As usual, it's the extremes that make headlines.
Anime Dad wrote:I'm over-generalising of course. As usual, it's the extremes that make headlines.
of course....
but i love how the most SENIOR cleric in Australia subscribes to the women as uncovered meat deseve to be raped theory....sets a lovely example....how many licks will his ass get in high praise of his interpretation of the Koran.
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