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Mr.ChoyBoi wrote:what are the odds of that??

there's a very good chance ;)
people will be swarming the pond with their fishing gear!!


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late.... oyasumi!
hahaha, this convo has been interesting ;)

gay. something's wrong with my ISP. i have no way of connecting to the internet back home now. in other words i "can't" really fix that broken link of my sig [the pic that i want to put in my sig is in my com].
it's soo damn irritating. :mad:

on a side note, my B'day's coming up! [may 16th]. wonder what shall i do on my Bday.....any suggestions guys? i thought of taking out my friends for dinner but damn, i don't have that much cash. [been spending too much money on my miniatures recently i guess... :sweat: ]

make them take u to dinner then ehheehe...

or well go for a movie, go to a theme park... heheh dunno of much else to do...

DarKchylD wrote:heheh dunno of much else to do...

now you know what i'm facing through ne~.
:sweat:

Mr.ChoyBoi wrote:

Adios... well i guess im the only one that may want to try koi one day... :hehe:

Eating Koi is like eating your luck. (IMO)

And as mentioned before, like eating your dog.

ahochaude wrote:

Eating Koi is like eating your luck. (IMO)

And as mentioned before, like eating your dog.

Truly. I keep thinking about all those fishies in front of Pagoda.

The Man wrote:

Truly. I keep thinking about all those fishies in front of Pagoda.

*LOL* Me too! :D

dont tell me we're still talking about eatting fishies :beaten:

eltinator wrote:dont tell me we're still talking about eatting fishies :beaten:

You brought it up homey! :P :hehe:

I just changed my fall 04 schedule..it's totally different..I figured why take courses that you don't like? So I dropped Organic Chemistry and Physics...added Japanese!! really happy about that..sociology and pyschology..all MWF classes..I need to add on to photo..but the system won't let me cuz I would have to many units..have to do it in person :sweat: Photo is TTH in the evening..so it's all cool!!
Oh I kept zoology though cuz the teacher is cool.

eltinator wrote:dont tell me we're still talking about eatting fishies :beaten:

Yes, elty, don't use koi when making sushi. In fact, leave the koi alone.

So I'm reading about, and looking at pictures of the Prison Scandal in Iraq. The scenes of American soldiers humiliating, and degrading prisoners...

And I watch BBC America and see reports about Briitish Soldiers behaving in basically the same manner...

And then I hear the crotch grabbing, red faced, White House mouth-pieces on talk radio, and on cable TV news trying to lay all the blame for this despicable behaviour on "six bad apples"... and I have to wonder, do they really think the American Public is that stupid?

Is the American public that stupid?

Does anyone really think that this was an isolated incident?

Does anyone really think that this is just a case of 6 bad people??

Does anyone, other than George Bush, believe that these are THE SIX, AND ONLY SIX, SADISTS in the U.S. Army?

This behaviour is systematic, boys and girls.

For those who believe that this was just a case of six bad people, take a look at Stanley Milgram's most famous experiment in behavior; "Obedience to Authority". Otherwise known as the "Shock Box Experiment."

That's the one where a man dressed in a white lab coat put a volunteer into a room and sat him in front of a box covered in little blinking lights and toggle switches, and volt meters.

The volunteers, just normal people, were told that they'd be giving a series of questions to someone in another room. And if that person got the answer to a question wrong, they were to throw a switch, which would shock the unseen person in the next room.

As the questions got harder, and came quicker, the person in the other room started getting the answers wrong, and the volunteer started throwing the switch, giving the person a shock.

As the test went on, the voltage was raised, and the shocks became stronger. And though the volunteer couldn't see the person in the next room, he or she could hear the buzzing of a shock, and he or she could hear the sounds made by the person they were questioning, and shocking.

The sounds from the next room went from "Ow!" to "Hey!" To "Oww, Jeez! That hurts!" all the way up to the sounds of the person in the next room crying, and pleading with the person at the controls to stop.

And scariest off all... there was a level on the control box labled "fatal". If the voltage was turned up that high, clearly the shock could kill the person in the next room.

And guess what. The overwhelming majority of volunteers flipped the switch at the fatal level, when "the Man in the White Lab Coat" told him (or her) to do it.

We know now that the shock box wasn't connected to anything, and that the man in the next room was an actor.

But the volunteers didn't know that.

I'll say it again; the overwhelming majority of voluneers went right on flipping the switches, sending what they thought were painful, and evenutally lethal electric shocks into the human being in the next room.

Why? Because a person in what they took to be a position of authority, (The man in the white lab coat) told them to.

This experiment has been repeated countless times, in almost every country on the globe over the last 30 or 40 years. And the results are always the same.

We all like to think that we could never do such a thing. That we are the ones who would stand up and say; "No! This is wrong! You can't make me do this!"

But the volunteers were all chosen at random, all ages, all sexes, all nationalities. And the overwhelming majority of volunteers... flipped the switch.

What's been going on in the American controlled prisons in Iraq hasn't been an experiment.

Those prisoners aren't actors.

And those MP Prison Guards aren't THE SIX SADISTS IN THE U.S. ARMY.

They are soldiers doing what someone in AUTHORITY told them to do.

Doing what someone in AUTHORITY wants them to do.

And the Authorities now want to pin the blame for this disgusting behavior on those six pawns in Army uniforms.

Can we really be this stupid, folks?

This has to be cleaned up, boys and girls. Those six dog faces have to be punished.

But it can't stop there.

The men and women in positions of authority, the people who think that this sort of behavior is not only acceptable, but desirable, have to be held responsible.

The Man wrote:

Yes, elty, don't use koi when making sushi. In fact, leave the koi alone.

You got that right! I wouldn't eat them if my life depended on it! Well maybe not to that extent but they probably taste pretty nasty anyways :beaten:

@ Ike: Nice, I wish i had time to take Japanese also. You taking summer school too? I haven't even thought about my fall classes yet :sweat:

I'm taking color photography during the summer..should be easy and relaxed..don't want any exams or essays to do in the summer..I need a break.
Oh yeah are you going to HK and Japan or did you decide to pick the NASA internship? Sorry wasn't really keeping up with that thread.

IkematsuSosuke wrote:I'm taking color photography during the summer..should be easy and relaxed..don't want any exams or essays to do in the summer..I need a break.
Oh yeah are you going to HK and Japan or did you decide to pick the NASA internship? Sorry wasn't really keeping up with that thread.

I had to drop my trip to asia :(

There just wasn't enough time since I have Nasa and i have to take llinear algebra this summer as well. *sigh* Rough life when you're in an EE major :sweat:

I do have 2 weeks after my summer school ends and before school starts so I may book a ticket out of this country then :D

Geezer wrote:So I'm reading about, and looking at pictures of the Prison Scandal in Iraq. The scenes of American soldiers humiliating, and degrading prisoners...

And I watch BBC America and see reports about Briitish Soldiers behaving in basically the same manner...

And then I hear the crotch grabbing, red faced, White House mouth-pieces on talk radio, and on cable TV news trying to lay all the blame for this despicable behaviour on "six bad apples"... and I have to wonder, do they really think the American Public is that stupid?

Is the American public that stupid?

Does anyone really think that this was an isolated incident?

Does anyone really think that this is just a case of 6 bad people??

Does anyone, other than George Bush, believe that these are THE SIX, AND ONLY SIX, SADISTS in the U.S. Army?

This behaviour is systematic, boys and girls.

For those who believe that this was just a case of six bad people, take a look at Stanley Milgram's most famous experiment in behavior; "Obedience to Authority". Otherwise known as the "Shock Box Experiment."

That's the one where a man dressed in a white lab coat put a volunteer into a room and sat him in front of a box covered in little blinking lights and toggle switches, and volt meters.

The volunteers, just normal people, were told that they'd be giving a series of questions to someone in another room. And if that person got the answer to a question wrong, they were to throw a switch, which would shock the unseen person in the next room.

As the questions got harder, and came quicker, the person in the other room started getting the answers wrong, and the volunteer started throwing the switch, giving the person a shock.

As the test went on, the voltage was raised, and the shocks became stronger. And though the volunteer couldn't see the person in the next room, he or she could hear the buzzing of a shock, and he or she could hear the sounds made by the person they were questioning, and shocking.

The sounds from the next room went from "Ow!" to "Hey!" To "Oww, Jeez! That hurts!" all the way up to the sounds of the person in the next room crying, and pleading with the person at the controls to stop.

And scariest off all... there was a level on the control box labled "fatal". If the voltage was turned up that high, clearly the shock could kill the person in the next room.

And guess what. The overwhelming majority of volunteers flipped the switch at the fatal level, when "the Man in the White Lab Coat" told him (or her) to do it.

We know now that the shock box wasn't connected to anything, and that the man in the next room was an actor.

But the volunteers didn't know that.

I'll say it again; the overwhelming majority of voluneers went right on flipping the switches, sending what they thought were painful, and evenutally lethal electric shocks into the human being in the next room.

Why? Because a person in what they took to be a position of authority, (The man in the white lab coat) told them to.

This experiment has been repeated countless times, in almost every country on the globe over the last 30 or 40 years. And the results are always the same.

We all like to think that we could never do such a thing. That we are the ones who would stand up and say; "No! This is wrong! You can't make me do this!"

But the volunteers were all chosen at random, all ages, all sexes, all nationalities. And the overwhelming majority of volunteers... flipped the switch.

What's been going on in the American controlled prisons in Iraq hasn't been an experiment.

Those prisoners aren't actors.

And those MP Prison Guards aren't THE SIX SADISTS IN THE U.S. ARMY.

They are soldiers doing what someone in AUTHORITY told them to do.

Doing what someone in AUTHORITY wants them to do.

And the Authorities now want to pin the blame for this disgusting behavior on those six pawns in Army uniforms.

Can we really be this stupid, folks?

This has to be cleaned up, boys and girls. Those six dog faces have to be punished.

But it can't stop there.

The men and women in positions of authority, the people who think that this sort of behavior is not only acceptable, but desirable, have to be held responsible.

Oh, they will. And they will probably be court-marshalled and won't get any G.I. benefits, etc.

THEN ask ya'llself, WHY is this being emphasized more than Iraq resistance's much more deadlier acts on Allied soldiers? Haven't seen the pictures yet? Yeah, I wonder why the press is so reluctant to show the pictures of dead U.S. workers or soldiers there. Here's a good site to look at them: http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html (specifically, look under the headings [WARNING -- THE FOLLOWING PICS' ARE GRAPHIC]: "WHY HAS THE MEDIA HIDDEN THESE PICTURES FROM YOU?" and "The True Face of Our Enemy!"). You tell me which is worse -- prisoners getting humiliated, or folks having to jump from buildings or getting burnt to a crisp.

How many Iraqi prisoners died from these photos? Zero. And, I got news for ya'll: this kind of treatment will most probably continue, as needed: humiliation, as I understand it, is part of methods of interrogation WHERE LIVES ARE AT STAKE.

President Bush apologized for the recent acts by U.S. soldiers at that prison. And, right now, I have mixed feelings about the President's apology. I'm not ready with an opinion, except to say that if conventional wisdom dictates that heads of state apologize for horrible acts -- from unnecessarily humilating prisoners to burning them -- then where are the Saudi's apologies for 9-11-01? Or did I merely imagine that the hijackers were of Saudi descent?

What these U.S. soldiers did was unfortunate. What they did was unnecessary (if for no other good reason -- WHY TAKE PICTURES AND WHY MAKE THE POSES? THAT's where the wrong is). They got caught. They sure did. And, being that Rumsfeld himself is in hot water over all this already, you can rest assured there'll be checks and balances from now on regarding holding P.O.W.s . . . at least where the U.S. is the warden. I wonder if other countries are willing to do the same. We'll see.

There just wasn't enough time since I have Nasa and i have to take llinear algebra this summer as well. *sigh* Rough life when you're in an EE major

Being an EE major does suck from what I heard..glad I'm not interesting in it :P
NASA might be a once in a life time chance..you have a lifetime to travel..congrats!

IkematsuSosuke wrote:

There just wasn't enough time since I have Nasa and i have to take llinear algebra this summer as well. *sigh* Rough life when you're in an EE major

Being an EE major does suck from what I heard..glad I'm not interesting in it :P
NASA might be a once in a life time chance..you have a lifetime to travel..congrats!

haha thanks. I wonder if I could somehow sneak into some study abroad program in Japan. That would be so cool! What field are you in btw?

I want a B.S in biology and eventually get a PhD for it..also doing psychology, photography and Japanese!
Amrayu told me about this JET program if I remember correctly you need a B.S and at least one year of Japanese..and you would be able to go to Japan and teach..all expense paid for..sounds interesting!

Well, look what's coming to DVD (as a trilogy):

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