SpookeyDonkey wrote::( I don't want to offensive or anything but if someone REALLY wants to learn conversational Japanese than why don't they get a book or attend a class (like at a comm. college). I tried learning without a class but it was so worthless (relatively) when I entered my first class. I not only know how to use grammer correctly but I know the little nuances of the language as well. Also I think there is no excuse to not learn Kata/Hirogana since it really is easy to learn both systems quickly. Then again I realize not everybody has time to put into it like a student does. So what I'm saying here is that "we" (and I mean the people that are helping others with their "translations", not that I have helped much since I'm relatively new to the boards) aren't really helping at all. All that we're doing is creating a dependancy for the others to come here and have us help them out when all they really need is a solid foundation of elemantery japanese (reading AND writing...but I suppose that if they're not that serious they can get away with knowing the rules to romanji). so that they can look up whatever it is they need. Of course I'm not against helping out anyone that just needs an answer to a question or a quick translation (like in the above posts about ending a letter).
P.S. I understand sometimes I come off harsh and mean but after lurking for a bit that's just what I see. I really hope I'm not missing the point of this forum entirely.
(IMO) A very good analysis you have there. And I do have to agree that you can't learn Japanese from just a website.
But, every now and then, people do come up with questions about the Japanese language. And it's totally fine to post whatever questions they may have here. But I do not promote this forum to be "the way to learn Japanese". And in no way do I encourage people to use this forum as their primary learning tool for learning the Japanese language.
To learn such a complex language (as any other language is), one must take formal training to properly learn the language.
Furthermore, I really hope that people do not create a dependancy from others here. Flat out, they'll just be wasting their time. Many users here help if they have the time and answer. Nothing more.
In conclusion, posting questions here and there are fine. But to become totally dependant on this website to learn Japanese is just a waste of time. There are many good programs out there that have the ability to teach the Japanese language to a higher proficiency than this website can ever do. I am in no way discouraging anyone from learning Japanese. As a true believer in the traditional way(s) of learning, I am just siimply saying that this website could serve as a reference, but not as one's primary tool for learning the Japanese language.