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I think there are two different ways in which you use ‚¾‚Á‚Ä.

Ex. 1:

–l‚¾‚Á‚čs‚«‚½‚¢‚æB(Boku datte ikitai yo.)
"I want to go too, you know."

Ex. 2:

”ނ͍s‚«‚½‚­‚È‚¢‚ñ‚¾‚Á‚āB(Kare ha ikitakunai n datte.)
"(He said that) he doesn't want to go."


The above ‚¾‚Á‚Ă΂æ is derived from the second example, I believe.

When used at the end, the ‚¾‚Á‚Ä actually derives from ‚¾‚Æ as in:

”ނ͍s‚«‚½‚­‚È‚¢‚ñ‚¾‚ÆŒ¾‚Á‚Ä‚¢‚Ü‚µ‚½B(Kare ha ikitakunai n dato itteimashita.)
"He said that he doesn't want to go."

You can then analyze ‚¾‚Á‚Ä‚Î and ‚æ as separate entities.

‚¾‚Á‚Ä‚Î is used to tell someone something for a second (or third or fourth or fifth, etc.) time.

Situation:

A mother says to a young child:

‚¨ŒZ‚¿‚á‚ñ‚ð’@‚¢‚¿‚áƒ_ƒB(Oniichan wo tataicha dame.)
"Don't hit your brother."

But then the child hits his brother again. The mother would then say something like,

’@‚¢‚¿‚áƒ_ƒ‚¾‚Á‚Ă΁I(Tataicha dame datteba!)
"I told you not to hit your brother!"

So, when you add ‚æ on to the end of that, you get more emphasis.
It does, however, sound a little countryside-ish when you do this.

Anyway, without context as to why the person said ‚¾‚Á‚Ă΂æ, there really is no way to know whether to parse the phrase as:

‚¾‚Á‚Ă΁@and ‚æ

or

‚¾‚Á‚Ä and ‚΂æ

so, don't take my word 100% for it. :sweat:

HTH,

‘‰¤š

Onomonapea (sp?) question:
Any clue what "bashi bashi" means?

mizune wrote:Onomonapea (sp?) question:
Any clue what "bashi bashi" means?

One meaning of ‚΂µ‚΂µ (bashibashi) is the sound make when you hit something repeatedly.
Kind of like the English "bash."

There are other meanings, but I'm not at home right now so I don't have access to my dictionaries.

HTH,

‘‰¤š

kokuou wrote:

One meaning of ‚΂µ‚΂µ (bashibashi) is the sound make when you hit something repeatedly.
Kind of like the English "bash."

There are other meanings, but I'm not at home right now so I don't have access to my dictionaries.

Perfect! That makes sense with the context I was working in...
And do onomonopea dictionaries actually exist? O_o

mizune wrote:

Perfect! That makes sense with the context I was working in...
And do onomonopea dictionaries actually exist? O_o

onomatopoeia

Yes they exist :) I never used one but I'm sure they exist, there's many kinds of dictionaries at my university... like one solely for adverbs. I would guess the onomatopoeia dict's would be pretty damn big since Jpns has so many of those words...

Okay, I've know for a while know about using aida ŠÔ as a subordinating conjunction (is that the correct grammar term?), but I recently learned of two particles that seem to accomplish the same purpose.

‚È‚ª‚ç - when attached to the ˜A—pŒ` form of a verb, indicates that the two clauses occur at the same time. Isn't this the same as using ŠÔ‚É?

‚ª‚Ä‚ç - also when attached to the ˜A—pŒ` form of a verb, indicates that the second clause occurs simultaneously, but not with the same start and end points. Instead, the second clause occurs at a time frame shorter than the first clause. But again, isn't this the same as using ŠÔ?

Some clarification as to the nuances and difference in using these terms would be awesome! Thanks!

i hope this is the right thread to post this question. sorry if it's not :mrgreen:

i've been wondering what's the difference between kanto accent and kansai accent? i heard kanto and kansai have different dialect but i don't know what makes it different dialect, so.. can anyone explain to me please? thanks before..

kurokage wrote:i heard kanto and kansai have different dialect but i don't know what makes it different dialect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai-ben
http://www.answers.com/topic/dialects-of-the-japanese-language

Isn't the Kanto dialect considered to be "textbook" Japanese, or as close to it than any other dialect found in Japan?

loris wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai-ben
http://www.answers.com/topic/dialects-of-the-japanese-language

thank you so much!! :applaud: :victory:

vega12 wrote:Okay, I've know for a while know about using aida ŠÔ as a subordinating conjunction (is that the correct grammar term?), but I recently learned of two particles that seem to accomplish the same purpose.

‚È‚ª‚ç - when attached to the ˜A—pŒ` form of a verb, indicates that the two clauses occur at the same time. Isn't this the same as using ŠÔ‚É?

‚ª‚Ä‚ç - also when attached to the ˜A—pŒ` form of a verb, indicates that the second clause occurs simultaneously, but not with the same start and end points. Instead, the second clause occurs at a time frame shorter than the first clause. But again, isn't this the same as using ŠÔ?

Some clarification as to the nuances and difference in using these terms would be awesome! Thanks!

Topic merged accordingly.

ahochaude wrote:
Topic merged accordingly.

Gracias, aho :mrgreen:

I've been busy with tests and studying and homework lately, so I think I've missed some things... :sweat:

Glad to know that I've got great backup :victory:

‘‰¤š

ahochaude wrote:
Topic merged accordingly.

How embarrassing that I would make a silly mistake like that :doh:. I'll try to direct all future language related questions here.

kokuou wrote:

Gracias, aho :mrgreen:

I've been busy with tests and studying and homework lately, so I think I've missed some things... :sweat:

Glad to know that I've got great backup :victory:

‘‰¤š

No problem! Everyone misses things here and there. Plus, we all (hopefully) have lives outside of this forum. :hehe:

vega12 wrote:How embarrassing that I would make a silly mistake like that . :doh: I'll try to direct all future language related questions here.

No problem! If there is any questions on whether or not a thread exists, you can always check the announcement threads in the forum.

hello everyone..!! i would like to ask the meaning of "itsudatte".. and in what condition do we use it, what makes it turn into "itsudatta". and does it have any difference with "itsu" or "itsuka"? i've been searching for the answer but my japanese language books don't seem to have the answer :sweat:

thanks before! :dancing:

kurokage wrote:hello everyone..!! i would like to ask the meaning of "itsudatte".. and in what condition do we use it, what makes it turn into "itsudatta". and does it have any difference with "itsu" or "itsuka"? i've been searching for the answer but my japanese language books don't seem to have the answer :sweat:

thanks before! :dancing:

'Itsudatte' is basically the same as ‚¢‚‚łà (itsudemo), or "anytime, always."

Ex.:

”Þ‚Í‚¢‚‚¾‚Á‚Ä‚»‚ñ‚È‚±‚Æ‚ðŒ¾‚Á‚Ä‚¢‚é‚æB(Kare ha, itsudatte sonna koto wo itteiru yo.)
"He's always saying those kinds of things."


'Itsudatte' will never change into 'itsudatta'.
You can, however, have the form of 'itsudatta', though.

Ex.:

“c’†F “¯‘‹‰ï‚É—ˆ‚È‚©‚Á‚½‚ñ‚¾‚ˁB(Dousoukai ni konakatta n dane.)
´…F ‚ ‚êH‚¢‚‚¾‚Á‚½H(Are? Itsu datta?)

Tanaka: So you didn't come to the school reunioun, eh?
Shimizu: Huh? When was it?

As you see above, it simple means "when was (something)."

HTH,
‘‰¤š

Hi, I have 2 questions.

I am currently moving on to learning about conjugation of verbs in the plain form, e.g. taberu/tabenai/tabemasu, matsu/machimasu/matanai etc.

My question is: When do I know to use taberu H‚ׂé instead of tabemasu H‚ׂ܂·? My Japanese book says they mean the same, i.e. present affirmative of the verb "to eat" but does not tell me which is more appropriate in what instances.

Oh, another question is, do I have to memorise ALL the dictionary/root forms of verbs or is there a way to know it by looking at the conjugated verb?

Thanks! :sweat:

kokuou wrote:

'Itsudatte' is basically the same as ‚¢‚‚łà (itsudemo), or "anytime, always."

Ex.:

”Þ‚Í‚¢‚‚¾‚Á‚Ä‚»‚ñ‚È‚±‚Æ‚ðŒ¾‚Á‚Ä‚¢‚é‚æB(Kare ha, itsudatte sonna koto wo itteiru yo.)
"He's always saying those kinds of things."


'Itsudatte' will never change into 'itsudatta'.
You can, however, have the form of 'itsudatta', though.

Ex.:

“c’†F “¯‘‹‰ï‚É—ˆ‚È‚©‚Á‚½‚ñ‚¾‚ˁB(Dousoukai ni konakatta n dane.)
´…F ‚ ‚êH‚¢‚‚¾‚Á‚½H(Are? Itsu datta?)

Tanaka: So you didn't come to the school reunioun, eh?
Shimizu: Huh? When was it?

As you see above, it simple means "when was (something)."

HTH,
‘‰¤š

oooooh.. :shocked: sou desu ne.. wakarimashita!! :dancing: thank you so much for the explanation. so itsudatte and itsu datta are completely 2 different things? i thought they mean just the same but different condition, like "itsu datte" is for present and "itsu datta" is for the past.
thank you!

ribi wrote:Hi, I have 2 questions.

I am currently moving on to learning about conjugation of verbs in the plain form, e.g. taberu/tabenai/tabemasu, matsu/machimasu/matanai etc.

My question is: When do I know to use taberu H‚ׂé instead of tabemasu H‚ׂ܂·? My Japanese book says they mean the same, i.e. present affirmative of the verb "to eat" but does not tell me which is more appropriate in what instances.

Oh, another question is, do I have to memorise ALL the dictionary/root forms of verbs or is there a way to know it by looking at the conjugated verb?

Thanks! :sweat:

hello, Ribi! :victory:
well i think "taberu" and "tabemasu" mean the same, but "tabemasu" is just more polite than "Taberu". you might need to use "Tabemasu" to speak with your teacher or anyone who is older than you. "Taberu" is usually used when a person is talking to a friend.

for me personally, i just memorise the dictionary form, since whenever a verb is changed into another form, you just have to erase the -ru into -nai, -masho or else. for example, the root form "Taberu" will change to "Tabenai", "Tabemasho"<--(it's exactly from "Tabemasu", i think). as you see, the "ru" turned into "nai" and "masho" so you just need to erase the "ru".

correct me if i'm wrong, 'coz i'm still learning too.. just thought maybe i can help :mrgreen:

"osorobeki" no imi wa nan desu ka?