Shinsengumi! (2004 NHK Taiga)

Rinrin wrote:*sigh* Poor Shingo. Oh well, at least Joe looks good! :mrgreen:

Joe is doin' fine !!!!! :applaud: :mrgreen:

Rinrin wrote:*sigh* Poor Shingo. Oh well, at least Joe looks good! :mrgreen:

Oh yeah. That's a good reason to put him in a Taiga drama. Or any drama for that matter. :rolleyes: :hehe:

Of course it is!! I gotta have something to look at while I'm watching the drama! (I'm a stalker after all!) :hehe:

Rinrin wrote:(I'm a stalker after all!) :hehe:

Oh yeah. I forgot.

:hehe:

WD wrote:And so, I can't pass judgement over Shingo's acting in this dorama, but for someone who have watched almost all of his doramas (I miss Love Story and DOKU though), I find him to be a pretty good actor.

THANK-YOU!! :sweat:

Yes, yes....i can understand why ppl is judging Shingo's acting bad....i will do the same, if i have never seen Shingo's other dramas...
I'm very sad and upset....the first time Shingo goes internationally with a drama in NHK....he cant give his best performance.... :( Despite, im so grateful to Mitani Koki for the wonderful script....I blame Mitani -for casting Shingo as Isami- a bit, now! >=( Shingo has already said, that he's not sure abt this...but its Mitani who forced him! x)

WD....pls do watch Love Story^^ He has a cute chemistry with Yuuka, and he won a "Best Supporting Actor" Television award frm that dorama...althou i cant really see why x) I think his acting is just so-so in that drama....but some ppl said, he's good in it....so i dunno =P

Do NOT watch DOKU! Its soooooooo boring ~_~ I have no idea, how Shingo won "Best Actor" for the drama! He dont talk alot there, just stay quiet....well, he is a Vietnamese boy there x)

WD wrote:BTW, yanie_chan, I also love him in Hito ni Yasashiku.

Yes....he gives a great performance in this one. Altho he dont have to put alot efforts to act the character, since its pretty much himself...^-^ But he did a great job in the facial expressions....when he's happy, angry and sad....all great!^^d

WD wrote:And in Yomigaeru Kinro, he showed so many layers that I never knew existed. Maybe, he should get some sort of a bad guy role next time. He can really shine in this type of role, ne?[/b]

Yes....I seriously think he should won an award for this one!!(instead for DOKU's :rolleyes: ) He's really excellent in Yomigaeru Kinro!! I want to see him acting this kind of character again! And he really got me hooked with his charisma and screen-presence in this drama.....!^^


He may be inappropriate for Isami Kondou role....as some ppl say...but I know he has worked really hard for it. I really appreciate for what he has done.....


To Kijinnmaru, before saying 'there's no such thing' for that kind of leader....could you pls, pls, pls read Kaze Hikaru(Flash of Wind) manga/comic! Seriously, Isami Kondou's character in that comic, really doesnt deserve to be called or chosen as a "kyokuchou"!! x) He's too nice, too quiet.....just....not right as a leader. So, how could he ever be chosen as a 'kyokuchou', is beyond me! x)

yanie_chan wrote:
To Kijinnmaru, before saying 'there's no such thing' for that kind of leader....could you pls, pls, pls read Kaze Hikaru(Flash of Wind) manga/comic! Seriously, Isami Kondou's character in that comic, really doesnt deserve to be called or chosen as a "kyokuchou"!! x) He's too nice, too quiet.....just....not right as a leader. So, how could he ever be chosen as a 'kyokuchou', is beyond me! x)

Let me say this again, there is no such thing as a good leader that doesn't show his leadership. Leading happens to be a very important part of leadership. If you don't or can't lead, that makes you a bad leader, plain and simple. No amount of reading comics/manga will ever change that fact. Writers bend reality to suit their characters because they can. That is why all the Kondo characters become the leader of the Shinsengumi. It's called fiction. Reading a manga to see otherwise is worthless because I didn't learn what a good leader of a combat unit is from comics. I learned it from those who taught me, and from leading men who have to go into harm's way in the real world.

Like I said before, I've never seen Shingo's other work. But from what I've seen in Shinsengumi, the problem isn't that he can't get into character, it's that he can't grasp the basics of acting. Little things like timing and not looking like he's preparing to say his lines. It may very well be that the director isn't providing input at all, and is just having Shingo move through scenes aimlessly without knowledge of the big picture. And it doesn't help that the script is dreadful.

Kijinnmaru wrote:
Let me say this again, there is no such thing as a good leader that doesn't show his leadership. Leading happens to be a very important part of leadership. If you don't or can't lead, that makes you a bad leader, plain and simple. No amount of reading comics/manga will ever change that fact. Writers bend reality to suit their characters because they can. That is why all the Kondo characters become the leader of the Shinsengumi. It's called fiction. Reading a manga to see otherwise is worthless because I didn't learn what a good leader of a combat unit is from comics. I learned it from those who taught me, and from leading men who have to go into harm's way in the real world.

Yep, I agree with you !!!!! If Kondo is really not supposed to be an effective leader, now I can understand why Shinsengumi (the team itself, not the series) is such a mess !!!!! Looks like the people over there are always fighting each other ...

Like I said before, I've never seen Shingo's other work. But from what I've seen in Shinsengumi, the problem isn't that he can't get into character, it's that he can't grasp the basics of acting. Little things like timing and not looking like he's preparing to say his lines. It may very well be that the director isn't providing input at all, and is just having Shingo move through scenes aimlessly without knowledge of the big picture. And it doesn't help that the script is dreadful

My thoughts exactly. Today I watched Shinsengumi and I tried to find any positive aspect of Shingo's acting, but it wasn't this time yet ... And this time I didn't compare his acting with the acting of my favorite actors ('cos it would be really unfair to Shingo), but I compared his acting skills with the other Shinsengumi actors' ones ... (For example: Yamamoto Koji, Fujiwara Tatsuya).
And I'll say more: if Shingo is tryin' to show his acting skills (and I believe he's tryin' very hard), Mitani Koki (the playwright) and the directors are not helpin' him much, because I haven't seen Shingo in a really demading scene yet ...

Well, I might be bothering you all with this critics about Shingo.
From today on, I won't say anything more about it (unless his acting gets good enough to be mentioned).

:beaten: oy..just give Shingo a chance. Like I said before, he began to get used to the character and has improved his acting as the episode progress. Besides, like I've said before, the show is not getting any funnier, but it's getting more and more into the serious side of Kondo Isami and his shinsengumi.

I won't comment on Shingo's abilities as an actor yet, because I've never seen him do anything else.

From this show I know that he has pretty good screen presence, and he seems a likable guy.

As to Kondo's leadership qualities... I don't see any.

I mean, I'm 22 episodes in, and as far as I can see the leader of Kondo's faction is his buddy... the one who used to sell medicinal powers.

He tells Kondo where they are going, and why. He tells Kondo what to do. He tells Kondo when to stand up and when to shut up.

As this show portrays them, Kondo is a good hearted, but simpleminded figurehead, and his buddy is the brains, the leader, the man with a vision.

Geezer wrote:As this show portrays them, Kondo is a good hearted, but simpleminded figurehead, and his buddy is the brains, the leader, the man with a vision.

"You've got the brawn, I've got the brains, let's make lots of money..." - Pet Shop Boys :hehe:

Geezer wrote:I won't comment on Shingo's abilities as an actor yet, because I've never seen him do anything else.

From this show I know that he has pretty good screen presence, and he seems a likable guy.

As to Kondo's leadership qualities... I don't see any.

I mean, I'm 22 episodes in, and as far as I can see the leader of Kondo's faction is his buddy... the one who used to sell medicinal powers.

He tells Kondo where they are going, and why. He tells Kondo what to do. He tells Kondo when to stand up and when to shut up.

As this show portrays them, Kondo is a good hearted, but simpleminded figurehead, and his buddy is the brains, the leader, the man with a vision.

I've not read the history of Shinsengumi. Perhaps it relates to the fact that his buddy, Hijikata, plays the role as his adviser . And, I agree that Kondo has no sense of leadership after seeing the whole 25 episodes because he got told of what to do especially by Hijikata. And yes, he's potrayed as a good and kind hearted man. Then again, I cannot judge accurately since I've not got the sligthest idea on the real characters of Kondo according to the real accurate historical background there is. Perhaps Kondo was a good and kindhearted man whilst Hijikata (Forgot the other one's name) took the role as the brain behind everything.

Another BUT, at least Kondo Isami was always firmed with his decision and always believe in what he said. So, I think that's one of the leader's trait that a true leader is ought to have. But I think that's the script's fault if those are proven otherwise.

The defender rest the case. :mrgreen:

Alright, I'm beginning to take side on SHINGO hhehehehhehe.. :beaten:

Akakage wrote:


I've not read the history of Shinsengumi. Perhaps it relates to the fact that his buddy, Hijikata, plays the role as his adviser . And, I agree that Kondo has no sense of leadership after seeing the whole 25 episodes because he got told of what to do especially by Hijikata. And yes, he's potrayed as a good and kind hearted man. Then again, I cannot judge accurately since I've not got the sligthest idea on the real characters of Kondo according to the real accurate historical background there is. Perhaps Kondo was a good and kindhearted man whilst Hijikata (Forgot the other one's name) took the role as the brain behind everything.

Historical Spoiler
The real Kondo was said to be nice, but also a hard man. He wasn't a ceremonial leader like they're showing. Writers fail to use him correctly for one reason or another, mainly because he was plain. Hijikata, on the other hand, is the interesting one. He essentially made the Shinsengumi what it was. He conceived the five rules of the Shinsengumi that were stricter than even what was expected from samurai. (I'm not sure how much the show dwells on this-someone who has seen the later episodes give a heads up) It's because of these rules that much of the ranks of the Shinsengumi, especially its leadership, will be decimated after the Ikeda-ya affair from seppuku or execution(many times carried out by Saitou). He was the one who made a captured Ishin Shishi give up the Ikeda-ya by hanging him upside down, driving pegs into his foot, and placing lit candles ontop so the melting wax would seep into the wounds. Easier for writers to use the "demon of the Shinsengumi".

Another BUT, at least Kondo Isami was always firmed with his decision and always believe in what he said. So, I think that's one of the leader's trait that a true leader is ought to have. But I think that's the script's fault if those are proven otherwise.

There's no one leadership trait that can stand out without others. Believing in what you do is worthless when you let everybody walk all over you, like the NHK-Kondo. But like you said, the script is at fault. The writer doesn't know diddly. And this is one of the biggest failings of the script. You can essentially remove the Shinsengumi and put the San Nen B Gumi(Kinpachi sensei reference) in and still carry on. It's a completely different world and culture so writing a modern "drama" placed in historic times is one of the worst things you can do.

No more on Shingo. He was a poor choice, but it's not completely his fault when the writing and directing is poor. At least he's trying to improve.

:applaud: Thank you for your detail explanation Kijinmaru..so my judgment was not really wrong after all..hehehe.. :D

I've been watching the NHK Shinsengumi since episode 10 or so (without subtitles though I've seen 1-13 with subs thanks to a friend). I never even heard of Shingo until this but I think he's done okay as Kondou at least he's not being portrayed as some kind old man the way he usually is in anime or some movies.

As far as Hijikata being the power behind the leader I think that historically, he was to a certain extent.

I'm part of an online group that's really interested in finding out about he real Shinsengumi and from what I've learned so fat I think the actors are doing a believable job. The characters they're portraying are coming across as very real to me.

*sigh* I sure do miss Koichi Sato's Serizawa Kamo though.....Does anyone have a lsiting of all his films? I've tracked down 5 so far .

If anyone is interested in the Shinsengumi check out the website in my signature, we have a message board too so stop on by if you get a chance. We talk about everyting Shisnengumi related, movies, tv, history etc.

Thanks for the link Barbara!! You're website is really cool, and the fictions are really good! :mrgreen:

If you need a good reason to watch Shinsengumi!, this is it:

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Suzuki Kyoka
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She is totally HOT in this series, especially the way she looks at Serizawa, sort of like he's a total joke or something (episode 16). "It's going to take a LOT MORE than kicking around a few goons to see what's underneath this kimono!!!!" LOL!!!!

--- groink

yeah, I remember her. She's the hot nurse from hello, black jack. :love_eyes:

Sorry groink! Being that I'm a heterosexual female, Suzuki Kyoka does nothing for me (although I think Hashino Emi's charcter is really cute!). My motivation for watching this drama is still Odagiri Joe, Yamamoto Koji & Fujiwara Tatsuya!

I must say though, that the storyline is starting to get a lot more interesting now that the group is actually starting to form up. Too bad Namase Katsuhisa's character had to die. I liked him! :(

Rinrin wrote:Sorry groink! Being that I'm a heterosexual female, Suzuki Kyoka does nothing for me

Same here, except for the fact I'm a heterosexual male. :hehe: :hehe:

Rinrin wrote:Sorry groink! Being that I'm a heterosexual female, Suzuki Kyoka does nothing for me (although I think Hashino Emi's charcter is really cute!). My motivation for watching this drama is still Odagiri Joe, Yamamoto Koji & Fujiwara Tatsuya!

I must say though, that the storyline is starting to get a lot more interesting now that the group is actually starting to form up. Too bad Namase Katsuhisa's character had to die. I liked him! :(

Don't you like the tale, though?