Orange Days

thtl wrote:

Different languages have different structures and ways of expression, so a universal sign language is very unlikely. As a matter of fact even among the Japanese there are variants of sign languages, such as the Kansai-ban (Kansai dialect) sign language.

you're right, see above.

Think about it.

I'm no expert on sign language, but i'm sure at least some of the signals are for letters of the alphabet. If you're spelling words in English, how is a Japanese person going to understand you if they don't speak English? I'm sure they don't sign in romaji either ;)

Anime Dad wrote:Think about it.

I'm no expert on sign language, but i'm sure at least some of the signals are for letters of the alphabet. If you're spelling words in English, how is a Japanese person going to understand you if they don't speak English? I'm sure they don't sign in romaji either ;)

agreed...like for example....chinese doesn't even have letters.

Anime Dad wrote:Think about it.

I'm no expert on sign language, but i'm sure at least some of the signals are for letters of the alphabet. If you're spelling words in English, how is a Japanese person going to understand you if they don't speak English? I'm sure they don't sign in romaji either ;)

actually I thought they would (sign in romaji) :hehe:

Tu_Triky wrote:
"Different Sign Languages have developed in different countries where Deaf communities exist, for instance British Sign Language (BSL), American Sign Language (ASL), Ethiopian Sign Language (ESL), South African Sign Language (SASL), etc. Sign Language is not universal or international as many people incorrectly believe. Sign Lanugages are living languages made by real people - the Deaf - making them dynamic, constantly changing and developing, like any natural human language which is capable of developing new vocabulary when needed."


http://www.deafsa.co.za/htm/signlanguage.htm

thanks for the info..
I've always thought sign language was universal..
well they should make it that way :bonk:

There's a few universal hand gestures;
:fingerscrossed:
:metaldevil:
:finger_bleah:
:good:

Anime Dad wrote:There's a few universal hand gestures;
:fingerscrossed:
:metaldevil:
:finger_bleah:
:good:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Reminds me when Kai had to translate to Eita's character what Sai was gesturing :rofl: :rofl:

Ep 2 i believe.

BOGCHI wrote:
thanks for the info..
I've always thought sign language was universal..
well they should make it that way :bonk:

That's not going to happen until a 'universal language' is accepted, and that's not going to happen until all cultures have been sufficiently 'normalized' into a 'super-culture'. In the current atmosphere do you seriously expect different cultures, religions etc. to sit down and see how they can merge? Personally I think we can expect to see hell freezing over before that happens. :sweat:

BOGCHI wrote:
thanks for the info..
I've always thought sign language was universal..
well they should make it that way :bonk:

you're welcome....no problem...i'll be honest i wasn't SURE of the answer myself...so i did a little research to make sure i was given you the correct answer. :mrgreen:

in any event i don't think it would necessarily be easy to make it universal..... :sweat:

thtl wrote:

That's not going to happen until a 'universal language' is accepted, and that's not going to happen until all cultures have been sufficiently 'normalized' into a 'super-culture'. In the current atmosphere do you seriously expect different cultures, religions etc. to sit down and see how they can merge? Personally I think we can expect to see hell freezing over before that happens. :sweat:

well isn't English considered a universal language?
Don't they teach English at schools in Japan (and PROBABLY everywhere [okay maybe not])?

K.T. Tran wrote:
Reminds me when Kai had to translate to Eita's character what Sai was gesturing rofl rofl

Are you talking about the kiss? :hehe:
And there was another one when Sae dropped the F-Bomb when she was suppose to give a (speech?) :rofl:
I forgot the episode

Tu_Triky wrote:
in any event i don't think it would necessarily be easy to make it universal.....

well it would be easier..
what if Kai was sent to America and he has to deal with a deaf kid... then he'll have to learn a different set of sign language :rofl:

BOGCHI wrote:
well isn't English considered a universal language?
Don't they teach English at schools in Japan (and PROBABLY everywhere [okay maybe not])? :rofl:

English is a widely used commercial language, but hardly universal. Just go to, say Japan, and trying to go round speaking English only - you'll see what I mean.

A language is used to communicate, getting yourself on the right train or the directions to the nearest MacDonald's does not count as communications in my books. :shakehead:

BOGCHI wrote:
Are you talking about the kiss?
And there was another one when Sae dropped the F-Bomb when she was suppose to give a (speech?)
I forgot the episode

hahaha I wasn't even thinking that one

Spoiler — click to reveal

remember when Keita backed out of the date with Sai? and Kai stepped in. The next episode is when Keita wanted to apologize *spelling definately off there* Sai then used all these finger gestures.....sign language........

The speech was probably ep 4

BOGCHI wrote:
well it would be easier..l:

in theory it would be easier but you'd have to overcome linguistic and cultural differences whicn would be extremely difficult if not altogether impossible.....the different thought processes involved in the cognition and language of various cultures and peoples don't necessarily lend themselves to making a universal sign language.

this notion of universal being easier is a fallacy.

Anime Dad wrote:There's a few universal hand gestures;
:fingerscrossed:
:metaldevil:
:finger_bleah:
:good:

Actually, neither of these are as universal as you think.

You're probably right :P I was trying to be funny :)

i was just wondering...do u guys think shibasaki kou is pretty n talented actress? i dont mean 2 offend any of her fans, but i often read some articles saying kou is very pretty n talented, but honestly, after watching her drama, i dont think so, is it only me or is there any guys out there which have the same thinking, coz i dont think shes that pretty, while for acting, out of 10, i only give it 6, just wondering wat u guys think abt her.......

Helena wrote:i was just wondering...do u guys think shibasaki kou is pretty n talented actress? i dont mean 2 offend any of her fans, but i often read some articles saying kou is very pretty n talented, but honestly, after watching her drama, i dont think so, is it only me or is there any guys out there which have the same thinking, coz i dont think shes that pretty, while for acting, out of 10, i only give it 6, just wondering wat u guys think abt her.......

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so no comments from me on that point. After seeing Shibasaki's performance and "Battle Royale" and "Orange Days", I agree that she is talented.

Helena wrote:i was just wondering...do u guys think shibasaki kou is pretty n talented actress? i dont mean 2 offend any of her fans, but i often read some articles saying kou is very pretty n talented, but honestly, after watching her drama, i dont think so, is it only me or is there any guys out there which have the same thinking, coz i dont think shes that pretty, while for acting, out of 10, i only give it 6, just wondering wat u guys think abt her.......

Looks-
well for me.. I've only seen her in Orange Days and I've seen some pictures of her from magazine scans and shizz. I think she was suppose to look average/plain in Orange Days.. but I think she looked a little above average in the dorama. In the other pictures(magazines etc.) I've seen she looked stunning(kawaii, beautiful, etc.).
Talent-
From watching Orange Days I'd give her a 9/10. Playing a deaf girl... Showing all those emotions without saying a word.. that must have been hard. Plus, learning all those sign language (or did she know them b4?) Still, she did a good job on that. I'd like to see more stuff from her.

Helena wrote:i was just wondering...do u guys think shibasaki kou is pretty n talented actress? i dont mean 2 offend any of her fans, but i often read some articles saying kou is very pretty n talented, but honestly, after watching her drama, i dont think so, is it only me or is there any guys out there which have the same thinking, coz i dont think shes that pretty, while for acting, out of 10, i only give it 6, just wondering wat u guys think abt her.......

She has beauty and talent.

I think in order to fully rate her, you need to watch more of her movies if you think watching her perform in dramas isn't enough to satisfy your thoughts on her talent.

BOGCHI wrote:
Talent-
From watching Orange Days I'd give her a 9/10. Playing a deaf girl... Showing all those emotions without saying a word.. that must have been hard. Plus, learning all those sign language (or did she know them b4?) Still, she did a good job on that. I'd like to see more stuff from her.

Shibasaki learned sign language for this character.

thtl wrote:

Shibasaki learned sign language for this character.

WOW.. :bow:
more reason to praise her talent