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19 Mar 2008, 23:03 #2661
http://www.technoride.com/2008/03/bmw_diesel_beats_prius_in_econ.php

BMW Diesel Beats Prius in Economy Run

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Is this a case of man bites dog? A mid-size BMW sedan equipped with a diesel engine returned better fuel economy on a 545-mile, London-to-Geneva, run than a gasoline-powered Toyota Prius. A BMW 520d with a 2.0-liter diesel engine and regenerative braking (but no heavy duty hybrid features) got 41.9 mpg while the full-hybrid Prius, 500 pounds lighter, got 40.1 mpg.

Two writers for the Sunday Times (London) wondered if official mpg ratings were accurate after hearing from their readers who said the Prius ratings were high by 15 (U.K.) mpg. "If our readers are right and the official figure is wrong it has important implications, not least of which is that people driving frugal diesels are getting a raw deal," the paper said, since hybrids get some tax and roadway access benefits in Europe as they do in the U.S. To find out, they drove BMW's midsize 5 Series sedan and the Prius London-to-Geneva, adding 100 miles to the route "to give the Prius the advantage of running in urban conditions where its petrol-electric drivetrain comes into its own."

Whilst the BMW "doesn't have the external look of a green car and you don't get the same self-righteous glow when you are driving it," it does have a series of energy-saving features BMW calls EfficientDynamics: battery recharge when braking, good aerodynamics, low rolling resistance, a continuous fuel consumption gauge on the dashboard, and a six-speed manual transmission that is rated as improving fuel economy by about 10%. Testers found the 520d "not startlingly quick ... [but] it cruised happily at the French autoroute limit (dry conditions) of 78mph towards the champagne region." When the trip was done, the BMW still had a third of its tank in reserve.

The Prius, in comparison, ran out of gas. Not because of lousy mileage but because the tank is smaller (and the testers had a spare can of gas aboard). Acceleration was "hardly dragstrip quick and slower than the BMW, but still respectable." The Prius weighed 573 pounds less and had an aerodynamic shape "as slippery as a campaign manager discussing political donations," leading the testers to believe "the Prius should take less energy than the BMW to maintain a constant cruising speed." Not so. As many people know, the advantage of hybrids lies in urban driving where the stop-and-go recaptures the car's energy. On the highway, it's one more four-cylinder car pushing throught the wind.

The full story is on the website of the Sunday Times (London): "Toyota Prius proves a gas guzzler in a race with the BMW 520d: The Toyota hybrid is hailed as an eco-paragon, so how does it fare against a big BMW? To find out our correspondents go on a run to Geneva." An Imperial gallon is 1.2 U.S. gallons, or a U.S. gallon is 0.83 Imperial gallons. Roughly speaking, discount the Times numbers by one-fifth: a 50 mpg vehicle to them is a 40 mpg vehicle to us Yanks. Another reason we should all go metric.
21 Mar 2008, 02:22 #2662
bmwracer wrote:Yow, I didn't realize the F1 cars had sooo many aerodynamic appendages sprouting from their bodies.... It's like Medusa. :sweat:

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this makes them extremely fast in clean air but as soon as they're following another car the advantage goes and they slow down. hence not much overtaking anymore.
21 Mar 2008, 03:10 #2663
kenjilina wrote: this makes them extremely fast in clean air but as soon as they're following another car the advantage goes and they slow down. hence not much overtaking anymore.

Yeah, it must be an aerodynamic mess behind another car's wash... :sweat:
22 Mar 2008, 02:10 #2664
bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, it must be an aerodynamic mess behind another car's wash... :sweat:


having said that mclaren's car of last year was better at following than the ferrari was. could be an area worth looking into...
23 Mar 2008, 13:55 #2665
Massa on pole, Hamilton penalised

Eurosport - Sat, 22 Mar 23:41:00 2008

Felipe Massa took pole position at the Malaysian Grand Prix for the second year running and will form an all-Ferrari front-row with Kimi Raikkonen while McLaren duo Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen were punished five places on the grid for hindering other drivers' out laps.

Live race coverage: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/formula-1/malaysia-gp/2008/the-race.html
23 Mar 2008, 21:33 #2666
Kimi's turn this week:[/list:u]
1 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:31:18.555
2 Robert Kubica BMW 19.570
3 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 38.450
4 Jarno Trulli Toyota 45.832
5 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 46.548
6 Nick Heidfeld BMW 49.833
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:08.113
8 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:10.041
[/list:u] 2 races, twice off for Massa, apparently he's forgotten there's no traction control this year. :hehe:
23 Mar 2008, 23:24 #2667
gaijinmark wrote:Kimi's turn this week:[/list:u]
1 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:31:18.555
2 Robert Kubica BMW 19.570
3 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 38.450
4 Jarno Trulli Toyota 45.832
5 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 46.548
6 Nick Heidfeld BMW 49.833
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:08.113
8 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:10.041
[/list:u] 2 races, twice off for Massa, apparently he's forgotten there's no traction control this year. :hehe:

Wowie, BMW-Sauber on the podium again... :woot: :dancing:
26 Mar 2008, 03:10 #2668
gaijinmark wrote:Kimi's turn this week


it would've been kimi's turn in oz, too if he'd not had car trouble. hamilton's not the messiah he or the british press thinks he is. :mrgreen:
6 Apr 2008, 23:21 #2669
Results from Bahrain:[/list:u]
1 Felipe Massa Ferrari
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 3.339
3 Robert Kubica BMW 4.998
4 Nick Heidfeld BMW 8.409
5 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 26.789
6 Jarno Trulli Toyota 41.314
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 45.473
8 Nico Rosberg Williams 55.889
[/list:u] The Pol was on pole but couldn't hold off the Ferrari's.
6 Apr 2008, 23:35 #2670
gaijinmark wrote:Results from Bahrain:[/list:u]
1 Felipe Massa Ferrari
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 3.339
3 Robert Kubica BMW 4.998
4 Nick Heidfeld BMW 8.409
5 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 26.789
6 Jarno Trulli Toyota 41.314
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 45.473
8 Nico Rosberg Williams 55.889
[/list:u] The Pol was on pole but couldn't hold off the Ferrari's.

Yow, Ferrari still dominating. :sweat:

BMW-Sauber showing some surprising consistency... :victory:
7 Apr 2008, 03:17 #2671
i reckon alonso lifted the throttle slightly when lewis was behind causing his accident. then again he wouldn't have been behind if he'd got his start right. :beaten:
13 Apr 2008, 23:43 #2673
gaijinmark wrote:Got $5,000 to spare? You might want to spend it here: http://www.supercarlife.com/

$5000 a day?????

If it's for an ENTIRE day (24 hours), I'll start allocating the funds right now... :beaten:
20 Apr 2008, 12:46 #2674
Danica Patrick wins Indy Japan 300

MOTEGI, Japan (AP)\Danica Patrick became the first female winner in IndyCar history Sunday, taking the Indy Japan 300 after the top contenders were forced to pit for fuel in the final laps.

Patrick finished 5.8594 seconds ahead of pole-sitter Helio Castroneves after leader Scott Dixon went in for a pit stop with five laps remaining.

gItfs a long time coming. Finally,h Patrick said. gI was managing to save fuel and keep the speed up and when I saw Helio I knew he was the one to beat.h

The race was rescheduled for Sunday because of wet track conditions Saturday on the 1.5-mile Twin Ring Motegi oval.

Patrick won in her fourth season in the series.

gThank you to Andretti Green. Thanks to to my teammates,h she said.

She finished a career-best seventh in season standings last year, and was second in the race at Detroitfs Belle Isle.

At the 2005 Indy 500, she nearly won the pole and became the first female driver to lead the race, finishing fourth. It was the best finish by a woman at Indy, and helped her take rookie of the year honors.
21 Apr 2008, 08:25 #2675
On the other hand, the fix may have been in, this from Bob Margolis of ESPN:
Danica Patrickfs first IndyCar win in the Japan 300 was more a triumph in public relations than auto racing.

It didnft happen as the result of a final lap, wheel-to-wheel battle, one that many close observers of the sport feel she will never win.

It instead was more a battle between the race engineerfs computers on the Andretti Green team and that of her rival Helio Castronevesf Penske Racing team. It was a matter of who would get the best fuel mileage in the final handful of laps of the 200-lap race.

Both drivers had made their final pit stop on Lap 148, and when race leader Scott Dixon was forced onto pit road for a final splash of fuel, it became an opportunity for both Patrick and Castroneves to win – in a fuel mileage battle.

Castroneves is the IRL points leader and was racing with that in mind. Instead of gambling on running out of fuel or making a pit stop which would have had him finishing farther back in the field and scoring fewer points, Castroneves instead lifted his foot off of his gas pedal just enough to save fuel and reward Patrick with the victory.

The win was the result of a well-calculated move – pure and simple.

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21 Apr 2008, 08:39 #2676
gaijinmark wrote:On the other hand, the fix may have been in, this from Bob Margolis of ESPN:
Danica Patrickfs first IndyCar win in the Japan 300 was more a triumph in public relations than auto racing.

It didnft happen as the result of a final lap, wheel-to-wheel battle, one that many close observers of the sport feel she will never win.

It instead was more a battle between the race engineerfs computers on the Andretti Green team and that of her rival Helio Castronevesf Penske Racing team. It was a matter of who would get the best fuel mileage in the final handful of laps of the 200-lap race.

Both drivers had made their final pit stop on Lap 148, and when race leader Scott Dixon was forced onto pit road for a final splash of fuel, it became an opportunity for both Patrick and Castroneves to win – in a fuel mileage battle.

Castroneves is the IRL points leader and was racing with that in mind. Instead of gambling on running out of fuel or making a pit stop which would have had him finishing farther back in the field and scoring fewer points, Castroneves instead lifted his foot off of his gas pedal just enough to save fuel and reward Patrick with the victory.

The win was the result of a well-calculated move – pure and simple.

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Hmm.

Now that I see it again, Danica's pass of Castroneves sure did look pretty darn easy: I've seen more difficult passes on the 405... :beaten:
27 Apr 2008, 22:53 #2677
Ferrari 1-2 in Espana1 Kimi Raikkonnen Ferrari 1:38:19.051
2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 3.228
3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 4.187
4 Robert Kubica BMW 5.694
5 Mark Webber Red Bull 35.938
6 Jenson Button Honda 53.010
7 Kazuki Nakajima Williams 58.244
8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 59.435
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11 May 2008, 22:42 #2680
Turkish GP Results1 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:26:49.451
2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 3.779
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 4.271
4 Robert Kubica BMW 21.945
5 Nick Heidfeld BMW 38.741
6 Fernando Alonso Renault 53.724
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:04.229
8 Nico Rosberg Williams 1:11.406
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