Cars and other kinds of motoring gibberish

Started by ahochaude · 3 May 2004 · 4,980 replies

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2 Apr 2009, 23:50 #3241
gaijinmark wrote: I think they'll probably appeal that. Don't know if it will go any good though.
Shows what I know, Trulli gets his 3rd place back and Hamilton gets DQ'd:[/list:u]
Lewis Hamilton has been stripped of his third place finish in the season-opening Australian Grand Prix after the world champion and his team were judged to have provided 'misleading' evidence during a post-race stewards' hearing.

The British driver had finished fourth on the road, but was moved up a position when original third place finisher Jarno Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty for having overtaken Hamilton behind the safety car.

However, following the discovery of new evidence, believed to be radio transmissions from the Toyota and McLaren teams, the race stewards convened a fresh hearing in Malaysia this afternoon to discuss the matter.

It is believed the radio transmissions contradicted the original statements presented to the stewards by Hamilton and McLaren.

A statement issued by the stewards said: "The Stewards having considered the new elements presented to them from the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix, consider that driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards at the hearing on Sunday 29th March 2009, a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.

"Under Article 158 of the International Sporting Code the driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes are excluded from the race classification for the 2009 Australian Grand Prix and the classification is amended accordingly."

Further to the Hamilton decision, the race stewards have scrapped the penalty against Trulli and he has now been awarded third place for the Australian Grand Prix.
3 Apr 2009, 01:12 #3242
^ Wow, one race and the drama has already started... This should be one interesting season. :mrgreen:
4 Apr 2009, 06:37 #3243
From Yahoo! Autos ( http://tinyurl.com/cdltsa )

10 Cars That Sank Detroit

The global financial crisis is suffocating the Detroit automakers, but the problems at General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler have been festering for years\even when the mighty "Big Three" were earning billions. Aging factories, inflexible unions, arrogant executives and shoddy quality have all damaged Detroit. Now, with panicky consumers fleeing showrooms, catastrophe looms:

There will be plenty of business-school case studies analyzing all the automakers' wrong turns. But, as they say in the industry, it all comes down to product. So here are 10 cars that help explain the demise of Detroit: GM and Chrysler need a multibillion-dollar government bailout to survive, and both could be in bankruptcy by summer if they don't meet tough government demands. Ford hasn't asked for a bailout\yet\but it's bleeding cash and racing the clock to turn itself around.

Ford Pinto. This ill-fated subcompact came to epitomize the arrogance of Big Auto. Ford hurried the Pinto to market in the early 1970s to battle cheap imports like the Volkswagen Beetle that were selling for less than $2,000. Initial sales were strong, but quality problems emerged. Then came the infamous safety problems with exploding fuel tanks, which Ford refused to acknowledge. Message: The customer comes last. "The problems for the domestics really started in the '70s when they were offering cars like the Pinto up against higher-tech, better-built Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics," says Jack Nerad of Kelley Blue Book.

Chevrolet Cavalier. GM sold millions of Cavaliers in the 1980s\and decided the thrifty car was so successful the company didn't need to update it for more than a decade. To milk the model, GM even added some lipstick and high heels and tried to peddle the upgrade as the Cadillac Cimarron\a legendary flop. Honda and Toyota, meanwhile, were updating their competing models every four or five years, and grabbing market share with each quality improvement. A new Cavalier came out in the mid 1990s\then languished for another decade, while GM put most of its money into big trucks and SUVs. GM has since improved its small cars. "But they have to be miles better than the imports for Americans to forget how bad their small cars used to be," says Jamie Page Deaton of U.S. News's Rankings and Reviews car-ranking site. Even if they are better, many Americans wonder why they should give Detroit a second\or third\chance.

Chevrolet Astro. While Chrysler, Toyota, and Honda were refining their minivans in the 1990s and coming up with innovations like hideaway seats and electric sliding doors, GM was offering an old, truck-based van gussied up with carpeting and cupholders. "It showed GM's repeated failure to market competitive products based on styling and packaging," says Tom Libby of J. D. Power & Associates. The Astro drove like a bread truck, and consumers noticed. It also earned the worst safety ratings in its class. Before long, GM was effectively out of the minivan segment. No biggie\those were just mainstream American families the automaker decided to ignore.

Ford Taurus. Try to explain this logic: After its 1986 debut, the Taurus became a perennial bestseller. So for the next 20 years, Ford let quality decline and neglected the family sedan, while pouring love and money into trucks and SUVs. By early this decade, the Taurus had become a dowdy, rental-lot staple. So Ford simply retired the Taurus in 2006 and replaced it with the 500 sedan\which went on to set records as one of the most short-lived models ever. A year later, Ford revived the Taurus name and applied it to a bastardized 500. But by then, the damage was done.

Ford Explorer. This breakout vehicle helped launch SUVs and drove record profits at Ford in the 1990s, as Americans flocked to big utilities that could take them off-road if they ever got adventurous. It also blinded Ford to the future. "Executives could not see beyond the green piling up at their feet," says David Magee, author of How Toyota Became No. 1. "The Explorer helped create an addiction that lasted 15 years." GM and Chrysler followed right behind, with SUVs like the Chevy Trailblazer and the Dodge Durango\lockstep moves that reveal how the Detroit automakers focused on each other rather than the broader marketplace.

Jaguar X-Type. Ford bought the British luxury brand Jaguar in 1990, when all three Detroit automakers were seeking ways to expand their global reach. Eventually, Ford decided to build an entry-level Jaguar starting at around $30,000 for people looking to move up from, say, a Mercury Marquis. The down-market move "represented everything that Jaguar is not," says Libby of J. D. Power. The X-Type was built on an ordinary sedan platform from elsewhere in Ford's lineup, and the front-wheel-drive system underwhelmed enthusiasts used to rear-drive European makes. Jag purists were horrified, and aspiring luxury buyers shunned the X-Type in favor of BMWs, Lexuses, and Acuras. After fumbling the luxury brand for nearly two decades, Ford sold Jaguar to an Indian conglomerate in 2008.

Hummer H2. It sure seemed cool back in 2003, when gas was less than $2 per gallon. And it sure seems gaudy now. This supersized SUV clearly had a heyday, but it also helped paint parent company GM as an enviro-hostile corporation that sold only gas guzzlers. Sales collapsed as gas prices rose toward $4 a gallon in mid-2008, and GM has been trying to sell the division for six months\with no takers, so far. "GM wanted to make Hummer a signature company brand," says Magee. "Instead, it showed the company was out of touch with the needs of the 21st century."

Toyota Prius. While GM was spending $1 billion to build up the Hummer franchise, Toyota was spending $1 billion to develop a high-mileage hybrid\even though gas prices were still low. After the Prius debuted in the United States in 2000, GM execs seized yet another opportunity to display their intimate knowledge of American consumers, arguing that hybrids didn't make economic sense and that only environmentalists would buy them. Today, Toyota can barely keep up with demand for the Prius, and it has plans to start building them in the United States. GM, meanwhile, is scrambling to rush hybrids and other high-mileage cars into dealerships\far too late.

Chrysler Sebring. Did Chrysler engineers set out to build the world's most boring car? Of course not. Yet Chrysler still produces this blandmobile to keep assembly lines running and maintain a presence, however weak, in the sedan market. In the new Darwinian auto industry, this model seems destined for extinction, since the only way to sell marginal cars is with steep discounts, which money-losing automakers can no longer afford. In fact, if Chrysler ends up being carved into pieces and sold to competitors, as many analysts expect, most of its passenger-car lineup could get the axe, since there's little to distinguish it. Besides\what's a sebring, anyway?

Jeep Compass. Quick, what's the difference between the Jeep Compass, the Jeep Liberty, and the Jeep Patriot? The bosses at Chrysler, which owns Jeep, could explain, but the real answer is that Chrysler has oversaturated its strongest brand lineup in a desperate attempt to boost sales. "The Compass is not needed," says James Bell of Intellichoice.com. "Just the Liberty, please." The Compass has the same mechanical underpinnings as the Dodge Caliber, which helps illustrate one of Detroit's favorite tricks: Create multiple versions of every product under a bunch of different brand names, hoping that if buyers shun one, they'll take a more favorable view of another. Message to Detroit: Consumers aren't that stupid. Give them a bit more credit, and you might have a future.
4 Apr 2009, 07:01 #3244
bmwracer wrote:
Ford Pinto
In the interest of equal time, whenever anybody mentions the Pinto, can't leave out Chevy's answer: the Vega[/list:u][image][/list:u]
4 Apr 2009, 11:43 #3245
gaijinmark wrote: In the interest of equal time, whenever anybody mentions the Pinto, can't leave out Chevy's answer: the Vega[/list:u][image][/list:u]

That fascinating thing about that pic is that car just came off the production line. :hehe:
5 Apr 2009, 03:06 #3246
Malaysia Grid, Button gets another pole[/list:u]1 Jenson Button Brawn 1:35.181
2 Jarno Trulli Toyota 0:00.504
3 Timo Glock Toyota 0:00.921
4 Nico Rosberg Williams 0:00.981
5 Mark Webber Red Bull 0:01.028
6 Robert Kubica BMW 0:01.337
7 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0:01.401
8 Rubens Barrichello Brawn 0:00.882
9 Fernando Alonso Renault 0:02.890
10 Nick Heidfeld BMW 0:00.000
11 Kazuki Nakajima Williams 0:00.019
12 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 0:00.136
13 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 0:00.749
14 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 0:00.155
15 Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 0:00.662
16 Felipe Massa Ferrari 0:00.873
17 Nelson Piquet Renault 0:00.939
18 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India 0:01.139
19 Adrian Sutil Force India 0:01.182
20 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 0:01.338
5 Apr 2009, 05:07 #3247
gaijinmark wrote:Malaysia Grid, Button gets another pole

Wow.

Watching the American LeMans Series on ABC right now... Had no idea that Rahal-Letterman is teamed up with BMW... :victory:

Gotta watch more of this... :mrgreen:
5 Apr 2009, 20:29 #3248
Button takes rain-shortened race in Malaysia1 Jenson Button Brawn 1:10:52.092
2 Nick Heidfeld BMW
3 Timo Glock Toyota
4 Jarno Trulli Toyota
5 Rubens Barrichello Brawn
6 Mark Webber Red Bull
7 Lewis Hamilton McLaren
8 Nico Rosberg Williams
9 Felipe Massa Ferrari
10 Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso
11 Fernando Alonso Renault
12 Kazuki Nakajima Williams
13 Nelson Piquet Renault
14 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari
15 Adrian Sutil Force India
16 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull out
17 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso out
18 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India out
19 Robert Kubica BMW out
20 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren out
[/list:u]Race shortened because of torrential downpour after 32 laps. Half points awarded.
5 Apr 2009, 23:20 #3249
Wow... Been a while since that happened... 1984 Monaco? Prost-Senna?

Two races in and Ferrari has no points. :twisted:
10 Apr 2009, 06:48 #3250
Volkswagen Golf VI announced as 2009 World Car of the Year

http://tinyurl.com/dlokqh

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14 Apr 2009, 03:44 #3251
Long Beach Grand Prix and American Le Mans Series races this weekend! :victory:
14 Apr 2009, 07:43 #3252
GM recalling 1.5M vehicles over potential fires: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/gm_recall

Is it a wonder why GM is tanking? :shakehead:
15 Apr 2009, 12:02 #3256
bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, I remember reading that the scoop was bogus... Did you need to add any ducting or mod the intake to draw air from the scoop?


The scoop isn't completely bogus, it vents heat coming off the turbo/heat shield. That's with the closed OEM air intake.
With the open element air intake it allows more fresh air to come into the engine bay as well as dissipating the heat from the turbo.

The scoop as it is, is about 40% open from the factory, you just need to dremel out the rest of the diamonds in the grill.
15 Apr 2009, 12:32 #3257
krim wrote:The scoop isn't completely bogus, it vents heat coming off the turbo/heat shield. That's with the closed OEM air intake.
With the open element air intake it allows more fresh air to come into the engine bay as well as dissipating the heat from the turbo.

The scoop as it is, is about 40% open from the factory, you just need to dremel out the rest of the diamonds in the grill.

Ah.

I thought you'd just yank the entire grille... Though you would suck in a lot more debris... :sweat:
15 Apr 2009, 19:30 #3258
i considered it and many people just remove the grill. i'm not worried about debris getting in, the way the aerodynamics are, very few things of substance will get in.
15 Apr 2009, 21:58 #3259
krim wrote:i considered it and many people just remove the grill. i'm not worried about debris getting in, the way the aerodynamics are, very few things of substance will get in.

That's probably true.

Are you using a K&N air filter?
16 Apr 2009, 07:58 #3260
the kit came with a k&n, though i've used them for ages and ages.

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