American Football (NFL, College, etc.)

Started by Geezer · 17 Aug 2004 · 4,773 replies

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22 Oct 2010, 08:39 #3361
Geezer wrote:shin2

Re: All the hub-bub about the NFL cracking down on violent hits and the major fines and suspensions they are preparing to hand out.

I read a comment from Joe Paterno and I was wondering if you had any thoughts. His solution would be to remove the face mask from the helmet.

"I have been saying (it) for 15 years," Paterno said. "Then, you would get back to shoulder blocking and shoulder tackling and you wouldn't have all those heroes out there. Guys (would) have to worry about broken noses, knocked-out teeth, which we would like to prevent, but you don't get anything for nothing. "We used to have one single bar; now we have a weapon."


I think I buy it. I wasn't around in the no face mask era... but I know we were never taught to block or tackle with our heads or faces.

I can see how removing the cage would change the way guys tackled. But do you think it would hurt the game?


I think removing the face mask would change how the game is played. Despite helmet posters being pasted up in every single football locker room from high school to the pros which warn against leading with the helmet, that's how blocking and tackling have been taught for a number of decades. For example, since probably the middle 80's, virtually all blocking sleds are built to teach this type of technique.

Is Coach Paterno right in saying that going maskless will probably deter many players with leading with their helmets? It sounds logical. In terms of run blocking, that would create a huge change in technique from leading with the head and hands to shoulder blocking. The zone-blocking schemes which are so prevalent in the running game would be difficult to execute. Pass blocking however, probably wouldn't be affected. Strike techniques for defensive linemen would definitely change; they'd be less aggressive, and you'd probably see more slanting and stunting by them to compensate. As far as tackling, as someone else noted, you'd probably see more rugby-style tackling: high hits, more grabbing and wrestling ball carriers down than the violent strikes you see currently in football from high school through college to the pros.

The most catastrophic head injuries, such as those leading to paralysis, are usually when the crown of the head is dealt a blow, not when a player plants his face mask into an opponent. So would eliminating the face mask lead to more players ducking their heads and exposing their crowns to hits? Or what about if players still decide to use the helmet as a weapon and strike, not with their head up, but with their head down?

Also, would those involved in football from players to coaches to school administrators to parents to athletic associations allow a piece of equipment to be worn that provides less safety than what is currently being used now?
22 Oct 2010, 08:59 #3362
Colts punter arrested for public intox after swim

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Indianapolis Colts punter Pat McAfee has been released by police following an early morning arrest for public intoxication.

McAfee was released just before noon Wednesday, about six hours taking a pre-dawn swim in a canal in an Indianapolis nightlife district.

Officers say the 23-year-old, second-year player from West Virginia had a blood-alcohol content of 0.15 percent, nearly twice the legal limit if driving in Indiana.

McAfee is the fourth Colts player to be on alcohol-related charges this year. Team president Bill Polian says the team will gather facts before imposing discipline.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/wires/10/20/2020.ap.fbn.colts.punter.arrested.7th.ld.writethru.0127/#ixzz132qkaIfx
22 Oct 2010, 11:36 #3363
Jav_sol wrote: Colts punter arrested for public intox after swim

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Indianapolis Colts punter Pat McAfee has been released by police following an early morning arrest for public intoxication.

McAfee was released just before noon Wednesday, about six hours taking a pre-dawn swim in a canal in an Indianapolis nightlife district.

Officers say the 23-year-old, second-year player from West Virginia had a blood-alcohol content of 0.15 percent, nearly twice the legal limit if driving in Indiana.

McAfee is the fourth Colts player to be on alcohol-related charges this year. Team president Bill Polian says the team will gather facts before imposing discipline.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/wires/10/20/2020.ap.fbn.colts.punter.arrested.7th.ld.writethru.0127/#ixzz132qkaIfx

Heh heh, :rofl: read that a few times, at first I thought he pulled a Tsuyoshi Kusanagi. :doh:
22 Oct 2010, 13:29 #3364
Oregon is b-slapping UCLA in the 3rd, 46-6. :shakehead:

EDIT: Final score, 60-13. :sweat:
23 Oct 2010, 07:01 #3365
Bucs blacked out again; Chargers avoid TV blackout vs. Patriots

The Tampa area will be without TV access to the Buccaneers' game again on Sunday after the team failed to sell out its for the fourth time this year.

The contest against the St. Louis Rams will be blacked out in the local market, as NFL rules require for games that fail to sell out 72 hours before kickoff.

The Bucs (3-2) have said that their entire home schedule may be blacked out.

The San Diego Chargers avoid a blackout for the first time this season, however. The team announced it had satisfied the league's ticket sales requirement for Sunday's game against the New England Patriots.

The Chargers' first two home games were blacked out.

NFL rules allow teams to buy back tickets at about one-third the cost in order to help lift the blackout. The Tampa blackout will mark the 10th of the season across the NFL.

There were 22 blackouts last year, a five-year high.
23 Oct 2010, 08:21 #3366
Friday night high school football games on the island of Kauai have been moved to Saturday afternoons because the stadium lights end up disorienting some endangered species of sea bird, causing them to fall out of the sky. Here's the article:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/No_Friday_night_football_on_Hawaiian_island_.html#

This may sound harsh, insensitive, and plain wrong, but f*** the birds; you don't mess with Friday night high school football.
23 Oct 2010, 11:42 #3367
^^ JS, talked about it in the Baseball thread, Tampa is not a supportive sports city, :shakehead: along with most of Florida, Rays drew fairly poorly, so do the Lightning. Heard LA is trying to lure a team back, the Bucs perhaps? :beaten:
23 Oct 2010, 14:07 #3368
shin2

Excellent questions. And please note... I'm making no arguments here. I'm in the mulling stage and have yet to come even close to forming an opinion.

You're first comment about removing the face mask... changing the way the game is played. Isn't that what the League Office is trying to do with the fines and suspensions? (Or is it just another show?)

I remember the last time the league made a big to-do about fining players for violent hits. It was back in the early '90s, and the poster boy back then was Chuck Cecil (Cecil the Missile of the Packers, now the DC of the Titans) who was all but run out of the league. He wasn't a high priced guy, but he was fined so often it got to the point that he couldn't afford to play anymore.

My point there being that I don't think it's fair to try to change the way the game is played... by fining the players for playing the way they were coached to play, and the way they are encouraged to play both by the media (ESPN's Highlight reels) and by the owners who hand out the contracts. It obviously didn't work in the early '90s. I doubt highly publicized fines will work now.

Aggressive, big time hitters tend to get big time contracts.

And about the players and their agents, and their Moms being willing to give up a perceived degree of protection... pity they don't have stats (at least none that I could find) on concussions during the era of the helmet, before Paul Brown thought of attaching a face mask to it.

Hmm. I hate not having a defined position.
24 Oct 2010, 13:11 #3369
For the third straight week the number one team in the nation goes down to defeat: Oklahoma loses to Missouri, 36-27. :hehe:

Next up: Oregon. :mrgreen:
25 Oct 2010, 00:10 #3370
Yeah, interesting. Although, to me it was a surprise that Oklahoma was 1 in the BCS.
25 Oct 2010, 04:48 #3371
Struggling Saints get upset by the lowly Browns, 30-17.

Har har har. :rofl:

'Skins beat the Bears in a turnover fest (14 turnovers total): 17-14. :rofl:
25 Oct 2010, 08:40 #3372
Not a good game by the Pats. They could have closed out the game in the first half, but didn't capitalize on the turnovers. :shakehead: The defense continues to struggle, with the secondary being the weak point. Could those San Diego wide receivers be any more wide open? :beaten:

Miami settles for FGs in the red zone and it costs them.

Bills had the early lead, but its the Bills, so they fumble in OT and lose.

Oakland spanks Denver, 59-14. :shocked:

Browns with the upset of the day.
25 Oct 2010, 09:35 #3373
Sheeesh, the Browns and being a 14 point underdog. Brees is turning into a Favre II, what an INT machine he is this season. :bleh: Oh wait, Cutler is trying to be Bret II, 9 TOs in the Bears game today between both teams. :rofl: The Bills, well... :twisted: least Lindell had a nice clutch FG to send it into OT. :grumble:
25 Oct 2010, 10:47 #3374
hitomi #1 wrote:Sheeesh, the Browns and being a 14 point underdog. Brees is turning into a Favre II, what an INT machine he is this season. :bleh: Oh wait, Cutler is trying to be Bret II, 9 TOs in the Bears game today between both teams. :rofl:

Hall had 4 INTs for the Reskins.
The Saints haven't looked good, at least not in the games I've seen.
25 Oct 2010, 12:13 #3375
Favre throws three picks.... And the Vikings lose a close one to the Packers, 28-24.

A number of questionable calls in the game, the most critical was the TD reception by the Vikings Shiancoe that was called back. :shakehead:
25 Oct 2010, 14:17 #3376
bmwracer wrote:Favre throws three picks.... And the Vikings lose a close one to the Packers, 28-24.

A number of questionable calls in the game, the most critical was the TD reception by the Vikings Shiancoe that was called back. :shakehead:


Such a INT-happy Sunday of football. I've gotten used to the Farve that can make a great throw, then try to force one that gets picked off. Not sure if Jackson is the better option at this point, and I doubt Childress has the guts to bench Farve. Besides, the Packers are dealing with injuries and the Bears are going backwards, so the Vikings have a shot, however small, at winning the division.

49er fans who were chanting for Carr a couple weeks ago got to see him in action and those fans certainly weren't careful with what they were wishing for. Ugly game from Carr, and the Panthers took advantage to come back and win. :shakehead:

Speaking of ugly games, the Chargers kept shooting themselves in the foot in a loss to the Patriots.

Surprises for me were the Browns beating the Saints with some defense, and the Bills giving the Ravens a close game.
25 Oct 2010, 21:34 #3377
deseipher wrote:Speaking of ugly games, the Chargers kept shooting themselves in the foot in a loss to the Patriots.

Chargers are one sloppy team... Thing is, they still might win the division. :beaten:

Surprises for me were the Browns beating the Saints with some defense, and the Bills giving the Ravens a close game.

The Browns game was a surprise, particularly at New Orleans (snicker)... And the Raiders demolition of the Broncos. :shocked:
26 Oct 2010, 00:07 #3378
Hard to believe the Raiders score, didn't think the Broncos were that bad, both Western Divisions are just so weak. :beaten: Like Dese said, I've noticed a big increase in INTs this year, so many teams have such weak running games it's just throw and throw. :sweat: Giants can hopefully just about end the Cowboys season tonight, noticed a lack of America's team fanatics here. :hehe:
26 Oct 2010, 00:34 #3379
hitomi #1 wrote: Giants can hopefully just about end the Cowboys season tonight

I really hope so.

The Plowboys are an arrogant lot, just like their owner.

noticed a lack of America's team fanatics here. :hehe:

There were a couple, but they disappeared. :beaten:
26 Oct 2010, 00:37 #3380
hitomi #1 wrote: Giants can hopefully just about end the Cowboys season tonight, noticed a lack of America's team fanatics here. :hehe:


It would be hard to be a fan of big egos who keep shooting themselves in the foot with dumb celebration penalties, and I'm sure any Dallas fan out there would agree to some extent (I wouldn't say completely agree. Got to adjust for denial on some fans' part, and maybe on Roy Williams part as well. Who the hell celebrates first downs when they're losing? Oh, right. Roy Williams does). While I would like to see the Giants end the Cowboys' season, that is what they might need. The team needs an overhaul, especially with the coaches. It's a team with talent certainly, but the lack of discipline is hurting them.

The 49ers aren't doing any better though, so I really can't mock Dallas fans. :puppydog: Anyone thinking Carr would provide a spark is no less delusional than Dallas fans. Alex Smith is the best they've got, and that means the 49ers have got major problems at quarterback. Smith has shown flashes of great play, but he's made a few dumb plays as well. Not sure how badly hurt Smith is, but I'd like to see Troy Smith get some playing time if Alex Smith can't go. At this point, might as well see what you got.

I doubt even Nostradamus could've predicted that out of the three California teams, the Raiders would have the better record and put up 59 on the Broncos. What a wacky season it has been so far.

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