American Football (NFL, College, etc.)

gaijinmark wrote:

If you made that list 10 years ago, you would have had to include Gino Cappelletti . The price of success, I guess.

Cappelletti is a good choice; I probably would have chosen Mike Haynes as well to fill the second open slot.

The Seattle Seahawks are an expansion team that entered the NFL in 1976, along with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Seattle began play in the NFC West, then moved over to the AFC West, then moved back to the NFC West. One by-product of this bouncing back and forth is that they are the only team since the AFL/NFL merger to have played for a conference championship in both conferences.

Like other teams, Seattle has retired numbers. However, one of the retired numbers--#12--was not worn by a player but represents the 12th man, i.e. the Seahawks fans.

Seahawks Mt. Rushmore: Kenny Easley, Steve Largent, Cortez Kennedy, Walter Jones

I have a question what is the the point-after-attempt. ?? I don't get it ? can some one explain :confused: :confused:

suzzy wrote:I have a question what is the the point-after-attempt. ?? I don't get it ? can some one explain :confused: :confused:

That's the extra point kick after a team scores a touchdown.

bmwracer wrote:
That's the extra point kick after a team scores a touchdown.

ok why is Bill(Patriots coach) so upset over it ?? if its just that ...here the article

Bill Belichick wants the extra point to die
By MJD
This is my favorite thing to come out of the conversation about the new kickoff rules. Bill Belichick used a kickoff question to move the conversation toward the extra point, and argued that it should be eliminated from the game, or at least greatly modified.
"Philosophically, plays that are non-plays shouldn't be in the game. I don't think it is good for the game. Extra points, when the odds are 99 percent range in extra points it is not a play. Let's move the ball back to the 15-20 yard line and not make it a tap in. Let them kick it. Same thing with the kickoff return, if you're just going to put the ball on the 20, put the ball on the 20."
(Applause.)
Given my druthers, I'd eliminate it completely -- I don't think you'd see a lot of kicks missed from the 15 or 20, either. It saves time, it speeds the game along, and the guy in the end-zone seats with the John 3:16 sign doesn't get time to prepare for his close-up.
This is the MJD plan: Let's just make touchdowns worth seven, and if someone wants to risk a point either way, they'll have the option to trot the ball out to the 2-point conversion spot, and they'll get eight points for their touchdown if they convert, six if they don't. Hell, I say we move that back, too. I think the 6-yard-line sounds about right.
I'm with him on the kickoff, too. I'll talk more about this later, but Belichick is right. If what the NFL wants is more touchbacks, then why go halfway? Put the ball on the 20. Put it on the 25 or 30 if you want to. I'm not saying I'm anti-kickoff, I'm just saying that if the league just wants drives to start at the 20, there are ways to do that that are more efficient.
Hmm. This Belichick character. I think he might be a smart one.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Bill-Belichick-wants-the-extra-point-to-die?urn=nfl-wp5693

^ Bellichick does have some valid points... But no one in the NFL is going to listen to him.

Well, I was egregiously incorrect when I stated that the Patriots were the only NFL team named after a region. Turns out the Tampa Bay Buccaneers also fall into that category. Apparently there is no city named Tampa Bay--that name refers to an area which encompasses the cities of Tampa, St. Petersburg, Clearwater, and Bradenton. (alas, geography has always been a failing of mine)

When Tampa Bay entered the league in 1976 they lost their first 26 games under head coach John McKay who was hired after a ridiculously successful career at Tailback U (USC).

The Bucs did win a Super Bowl under Jon Gruden. In order to get Gruden--who was under contract to the Oakland Raiders--Tampa Bay had to give the Raiders two first-round draft choices, two second-round draft choices, and eight million dollars. No wonder Gruden thinks he's hot sh*t.

Buccaneers Mt. Rushmore: Lee Roy Selmon, Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, Ronde Barber

I remember when McKay was having his struggles. Every week when the Bucs were getting beat up I'd smile and say to myself, "It's a little bit harder when you're not getting all that talent funneled to you, isn't it John?" :P

I like Marv Levy, the former Buffalo Bills coach. For one thing he's not cut from the same mold as most NFL coaches. Graduated Phi Beta Kappa, then earned a masters degree in English history from Harvard. Maybe that's why he would quote Chaucer in team meetings. He also waited until he was 86 to publish his first novel which came out just last month.

Football-wise he did things outside of the box. When he was hired as Kansas City's head coach in 1978, he instituted the Wing-T, an anachronistic offense (in the NFL anyway) developed in the early 1950's. At Buffalo, while all other teams had coaches calling plays, he instituted the K-gun offense and let his QB call all the plays from the line of scrimmage.

He is the only coach in the Super Bowl era to take his team to four consecutive Super Bowls; and yes, he is the only coach to lose four consecutive Super Bowls. But no other coach has even taken teams to three consecutive Super Bowls. And you gotta love a guy who, a couple of days just before his fourth straight Super Bowl game, when asked if this was a must win situation, replied "No, World War II was a must win situation."

Buffalo Bills Mt. Rushmore: Marv Levy, Billy Shaw, Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly

shin2 wrote: But no other coach has even taken teams to three consecutive Super Bowls.

Oops!! Shula took the Dolphins to the Super Bowl in '72 (lost to the Cowboys) '73 (beat the 'Skins), and '74 (beat the Vikings).

As penance, you're required to read the Georgia Frontiere bio, "How I Made It On My Own".

Gaijinmark:

I am stupid :beatyou: :doh: :banghead: :bonk: :sweat:

shin2 wrote:I loved watching the Miami Dolphins of the early 70's play. I think those teams from 1971--1973 (three consecutive Super Bowl appearances, back-to-back Super Bowl victories) are underrated by both pundits and the public, even with their 1972 perfect season.

Finished reading a book about Gerald Ford recently, I guess we'll apply to you the quote that Lyndon Johnson had about Ford: "He's a nice guy. Just spent a little bit too much time playing football without a helmet." :P

gaijinmark wrote:Finished reading a book about Gerald Ford recently, I guess we'll apply to you the quote that Lyndon Johnson had about Ford: "He's a nice guy. Just spent a little bit too much time playing football without a helmet." :P

I hope I am able to live as long as President Ford did (I think he lived into his 90's).

Strange how as you get to a certain age, you remember clearly things that happened 50 years ago but forget what you typed a week ago.

Mt. Rushmore of play-by-play football announcers: Keith Jackson, Al Michaels, Ray Scott, Dick Enberg

Jackson is imo the best football broadcaster ever. Towards the end, he tailed off a little, but in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's, especially doing college football games--man, was he great.
Michaels is the consummate pro.
Listening to Scott was like listening to John Facenda.
Besides his TV broadcasts, Enberg was great on the radio announcing L.A. Rams games in the 60's and 70's.

Mt. Rushmore of football color analysts: Frank Broyles, John Madden

Could only come up with two names that are Rushmore worthy.

Broyles was an outstanding college coach who, while athletic director at the University of Arkansas, began calling games with Keith Jackson on ABC. He was perceptive, knowledgeable, and passionate about the game and was able to communicate that in a clear succinct way. He and Jackson are the best announcing duo I have heard. Two Southern boys calling college football games--seemed a perfect fit.
Madden--boom! In his prime he was so much fun to listen to. Brought a lot of knowledge and enthusiasm to the broadcast. Not as good in his last few years, but by then he was such an icon and had set the bar so high.

shin2

re: Bills Mt. Rushmore. How can you leave off Jack Kemp?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/661101-crazy-canton-cuts-jack-kemp

I know it was in the AFL days, but they were the Bills, and Kemp's teams won a bunch of the Championship games they got into.

quickie re: Madden

It's still great fun to listen to him on the radio up here. He's been doing a ten minute show/chat on KCBS News radio for the last... 100 years. Just him, on the phone from his home, chatting about football, or crabgrass, with guys at the station that he's known for years. No pressure, no boom no bombast.

I don't know if I could actually start a day without hearing from the Coach first thing.

There's no "D" in UCLA: the Bruins start off the season with a loss to Houston, 38-34. :shakehead:

Geezer wrote:shin2

re: Bills Mt. Rushmore. How can you leave off Jack Kemp?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/661101-crazy-canton-cuts-jack-kemp

I know it was in the AFL days, but they were the Bills, and Kemp's teams won a bunch of the Championship games they got into.

It came down to a choice between Kemp and Billy Shaw, and I am always partial to offensive linemen. Both were AFL stars and deserve to be remembered as outstanding players.

I recall those Bills who won back-to-back AFL championships as being real blue collar type teams who beat the much flashier and more talented Chargers.

It's interesting how Kemp, Daryle Lamonica, and John Hadl are linked together; all three were featured AFL QBs.

Geezer wrote:quickie re: Madden

It's still great fun to listen to him on the radio up here. He's been doing a ten minute show/chat on KCBS News radio for the last... 100 years. Just him, on the phone from his home, chatting about football, or crabgrass, with guys at the station that he's known for years. No pressure, no boom no bombast.

I don't know if I could actually start a day without hearing from the Coach first thing.

I remember reading a couple of Madden's books many years ago. Sounds like his radio show is like his books--just a regular guy talking about stuff and offering interesting opinions.

Interesting opening week of college football. Having several games halted because of weather; that's very unusual. Stuff like that happens in baseball and golf, not football.

Kudos to the Sacramento State Hornets for upsetting Oregon State.

Fans of Notre Dame, Georgia, Oregon, and TCU must be shellshocked.

It doesn't look like Auburn, defending national champs (for now anyway, I don't think the NCAA is done investigating them), will repeat.

I heard about his stroke yesterday, was hoping for a miracle, but it was not to be.

Hall of Famer Lee Roy Selmon dead at 56

TAMPA, Fla. (AP)—Lee Roy Selmon, the Tampa Bay Buccaneersf Hall of Fame defensive end who teamed with his brothers to create a dominant defensive front and helped lead Oklahoma to consecutive national championships, died Sunday— two days after being hospitalized for a stroke. He was 56.

A statement released on behalf of his wife, Claybra Selmon, said he died at a Tampa hospital surrounded by family members.

gFor all his accomplishments on and off the field, to us Lee Roy was the rock of our family. This has been a sudden and shocking event and we are devastated by this unexpected loss,h the statement said.

Selmon was hospitalized Friday, and the Buccaneers confirmed later that he suffered a stroke.

The Glazer family, which owns the team, released a statement mourning him.

gTampa Bay has lost another giant. This is an incredibly somber day for Buccaneer fans, Sooner fans, and all football fans. Lee Royfs standing as the first Buc in the Hall of Fame surely distinguished him, but his stature off the field as the consummate gentleman put him in another stratosphere,h the statement said.

Selmon and his brother, Dewey, were both chosen as All-Americans in 1975 when the Sooners won their second straight championship under Barry Switzer. They followed older brother Lucious to Oklahoma, and the three played together during the 1973 season.

Selmon followed his Hall of Fame college career with an equally impressive run in the NFL. He was the No. 1 pick in the 1976 draft—the first ever selection by expansion Tampa Bay—and suffered through a winless inaugural season before achieving success. In 1979, he won the NFL Defensive Player of the Year award when he helped Tampa Bay make it to the NFC championship game. The Buccaneers also won the NFC Central title two years later.

Selmon was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1995. Presented by brother Dewey, Lee Roy said it was his family background that was noteworthy and not his accomplishments on the field.

gPeople have said, eYour parents must be proud of you,f but Ifm more proud of them,h he said.

Lee Roy Selmon was born Oct. 20, 1954, in Eufaula, Okla., to Jessie and Lucious Selmon Sr. and raised on a farm with eight siblings. The three whofd go on to star for the Sooners could have ended up at Colorado, if not for a last-minute recruiting effort.

Larry Lacewell described in the book gWish Boneh that the Sooners didnft decide to recruit Lucious Selmon until Barry Price switched his commitment from Oklahoma to Oklahoma State the day before signing day. Lacewell showed up at the Selmons house to find Colorado coach Eddie Crowder there. When he got his chance to talk to the family, he stayed at the house until the two younger brothers had fallen asleep and he had convinced the Selmon parents it was better for Lucious to play 100 miles away than 600.

It ended up being a key day for the program.

Oklahoma went 10-0-1 with all three Selmon brothers playing together in 1973, then won national title the next two seasons. Lee Roy Selmon won the Lombardi Award and the Outland Trophy in 1975. He ended his college career with 335 tackles, a school record for a linemen at the time.

He went on to record 78 1/2 sacks and earn six consecutive Pro Bowl selections during his nine-year career. He retired after the 1984 season.

Sad news. He was only 56.

The three Selmon brothers are icons at the University of Oklahoma. All three were All-Americans. And from what I understand, they were accomplished students as well as outstanding football players.

Caught a little of the Maryland--Miami game last night. The Maryland unis had a harlequinesque quality to them. I think more people are talking about that than about the actual game. Looks like Kevin Plank, the head of Under Armour (and a former Maryland football player), which supplies the Terrapins with stuff, wants to do for his alma mater what Phil Knight and Nike does for Oregon.