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bmwracer wrote:
I agree.

The guy's not a pure passer. He'll the the crap beaten out of him in the NFL, just like Michael Vick.

I'd take Leinart over Young without blinking.

He's got a weird delivery too. That and his O-line was great in college, he won't always have that in the NFL :hehe: :hehe:

eltinator wrote:He's got a weird delivery too. That and his O-line was great in college, he won't always have that in the NFL :hehe: :hehe:

Not to sound racist, but I've noticed that a number of the black QBs around like Young, Vick, McNabb, etc. don't seem to step into their throws and follow through... They throw flat-footed. I would think that would affect accuracy and distance.

Passing isn't all about arm strength, ne, but technique as well.

bmwracer wrote:
I agree.

The guy's not a pure passer. He'll the the crap beaten out of him in the NFL, just like Michael Vick.

I'd take Leinart over Young without blinking.

What exactly is a "pure passer"? Is it someone with a strong arm; someone who throws with textbook technique; someone who is accurate; someone who can only throw effectively but not run effectively? I've always been a little bemused by that term. And once you define what a pure passer is, does it necessarily follow that a pure passer is a better QB than one who is not as pure?

Regarding Vince Young: what he did in the Wednesday night's game was simply amazing. In the ultimate team sport, he is as close to a one-man team as you're ever going to see. I have to probably go back to 1963 and Roger Staubach at the Naval Academy to think of another player who exhibited that kind of overwhelming impact for his team. Ironically, that year Staubach, a junior, led the Navy to an undefeated season and played Texas in the Cotton Bowl for the national championship; Texas won, pretty convincingly. How will Young be as a pro QB? Only time will tell. However, even if he is a bust, that shouldn't diminish the incredible achievements he produced in his collegiate career.

The best "pure passer" I ever saw was Craig Morton. Went to Cal, first round draft choice of Dallas. Started at QB for Denver in a Super Bowl.

The guy's mechanics were perfect. His footwork was flawless. He could make absolutely every throw.

I really enjoyed watching him play.

But he doesn't crack my top ten list of "best QBs" that I've seen.

After one year as a starter for Dallas (and a successful year at that) he lost his job to Roger "The Dodger" Staubach.

Oh, and Morton's Broncos lost their Super Bowl to Staubach's Cowboys.

Being a great passer doesn't make you a great QB. Being mobile and athletic doesn't make you a great QB. It's a combination of a lot of things.

And if I could lay out exactly what it takes, the NFL would pay me millions.

There are a couple of reasons I think Young will have trouble in the NFL. First, his accuracy. He was ON in the Rose Bowl. He just had a great night. He's not usually that accurate.

You also have to look at USC's defense, which just wasn't good enough. Especially their secondary. USC's defense gave up 21.3 points per game this season compared to 12.5 last season.

NFL LBs and secondary guys aren't going to be intimidated by Young the way USC's defensive backs were. And with his straight up running style, he's gonna take a beating.

That said, I think the guy is a sure fire first round draft choice.

Geezer wrote:The best "pure passer" I ever saw was Craig Morton. Went to Cal, first round draft choice of Dallas. Started at QB for Denver in a Super Bowl.

The guy's mechanics were perfect. His footwork was flawless. He could make absolutely every throw.

I really enjoyed watching him play.

But he doesn't crack my top ten list of "best QBs" that I've seen.

After one year as a starter for Dallas (and a successful year at that) he lost his job to Roger "The Dodger" Staubach.

Oh, and Morton's Broncos lost their Super Bowl to Staubach's Cowboys.

Until recently, Craig Morton would probably be a good template for what NFL teams were looking for in a QB. As you pointed out, he was a fine passer, plus he was big and strong, played in a pro style offense in college, and was smart and tough. I always thought he was underappreciated by a lot of people; he is known more for being the guy who got replaced by Roger Staubach. But Morton had a solid career and led his teams to division and conference championships. Plus, it's no shame to lose your job to one of the best QB's of all-time.

Geezer wrote:NFL LBs and secondary guys aren't going to be intimidated by Young the way USC's defensive backs were. And with his straight up running style, he's gonna take a beating.

That said, I think the guy is a sure fire first round draft choice.

Michael Vick #2??

bmwracer wrote:
Michael Vick #2??

Wouldn't that just be his little brother :hehe: :hehe:

He just declared too

Anybody that counted out New England better think again. :victory:

eltinator wrote:Wouldn't that just be his little brother :hehe: :hehe:

He just declared too

Yeah, after the team dumped him for being an idiot.

He won't last long in the NFL.

BMW

Re: Marcus Vick. I think you're right. The kid is an idiot. Kicked off the team for Driving with a suspended liscense... under the influence... providing liquor to under aged girls... and then added to that, stomping on the back of the leg of another player while that guy was on the ground.

As physically talented as he might be as a player, I think this guy has a long career ahead of him... picking up his brother's laundry, and making sure his brother's cars are detailed.

Re: Vince Young... You mentioned Mike Vick 2. I've heard others say that, but that's not the guy he reminds me of. When I watch him, he puts me in mind of Terrell Owens when he runs.

Fast, powerful, and straight up and down.

He doesn't have the shiftiness of Vick. Nor does he have the fluid grace of a Cunningham. But as with Owens, it's impressive to watch him take off.

Geezer wrote:As physically talented as he might be as a player, I think this guy has a long career ahead of him... picking up his brother's laundry, and making sure his brother's cars are detailed.

Yup. He'll always be referred to as Michael Vick's "little brother."

Let's see how long he can stay out of trouble.



Ohhhhh my: Steelers run the flea-flicker and score again: 28-17 late in the 3rd quarter...

With Palmer injured, the Bengals didn't have a chance, they lose, 31-17, to the Steelers.

Heh, the Giants and their fans got schooled, 23-0, by the Panthers. :hehe:

bmwracer wrote:Let's see how long he can stay out of trouble.

Heh, looks like not very long. :hehe:

Told you guys he's an idiot:


Former Tech quarterback Vick arrested on firearms charges

By KRISTEN GELINEAU, Associated Press Writer
January 9, 2006

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Former Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick, booted from the team last week for his behavior on and off the field, was charged Monday with pulling a gun on three teenagers during an altercation in a restaurant parking lot.

Vick surrendered at the Suffolk magistrate's office after three warrants were issued for his arrest Sunday, Magistrate Lisa Noel said.

The 21-year-old Vick was charged with three misdemeanor counts of brandishing a firearm, and was released on $10,000 bond.

Police said the parents of a 17-year-old boy reported that Vick pointed a weapon at their son and two others during an altercation at a McDonald's in Suffolk, a southeastern Virginia city where Vick's mother lives, Sunday night.

If convicted of all three counts, Vick could be sentenced to up to three years in jail and a $7,500 fine, police spokeswoman Lt. Debbie George said in a statement.

Geezer wrote:BMW

Re: Marcus Vick. I think you're right. The kid is an idiot. Kicked off the team for Driving with a suspended liscense... under the influence... providing liquor to under aged girls... and then added to that, stomping on the back of the leg of another player while that guy was on the ground.

As physically talented as he might be as a player, I think this guy has a long career ahead of him... picking up his brother's laundry, and making sure his brother's cars are detailed.

Re: Vince Young... You mentioned Mike Vick 2. I've heard others say that, but that's not the guy he reminds me of. When I watch him, he puts me in mind of Terrell Owens when he runs.

Fast, powerful, and straight up and down.

He doesn't have the shiftiness of Vick. Nor does he have the fluid grace of a Cunningham. But as with Owens, it's impressive to watch him take off.

Vince Young reminds me a bit of McNabb in the sense of strength and running power. I don't think he's nearly as fast and explosive as Vick but damn he's hard to tackle. Looks to be a gamer to me, I wouldn't mind him on my team.

Just read where Marcus Vick got arrested for pulling a gun on 3 teenagers :beatyou: What's the over/under on whether or not he makes it to his 25th birthday?

Elton,

Re: Vince Young

I wouldn't mind him on my team.

I think any thoughts of getting Vince Young will be erased once you guys get a load of Andrew Walter, your rookie third stringer.

He couldn't do much of anything this year because he's got that same injury McNabb's been dealing with. But I believe he had the surgery as soon as the season ended, and he should be good to go once camp comes around.

Depending on who big Al brings in to coach... once Walter gets on the field he might just be there for a very long time.

He's not a scrambler, or a runner, but that kid shattered just about every meaningful Pac 10 passing record during his time at Ariz. St. I thought the Raiders were getting away with murder when they took him in the 3rd.

gaijin mark wrote:Just read where Marcus Vick got arrested for pulling a gun on 3 teenagers :beatyou: What's the over/under on whether or not he makes it to his 25th birthday?

Yeah, I posted that a couple of posts back: http://jdorama.com/viewtopic.php?p=350733#350733

Marcus Vick: Stupid is as stupid does. :shakehead:

Racer wrote:

Yeah, I posted that a couple of posts back

Gomen, I missed it. Too bad Lawrence Phillips isn't around anymore, that would be quite a backfield :beaten:

Seattle eliminates the Redskins, 20-10 :thumbsup: , despite losing Shaun Alexander early to a concussion...

Denver beats New England, the dynasty is dead :beaten: and Shanahan finally wins a playoff game post-Elway